Per Jessen wrote:

Greg Freemyer wrote:

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All,

I guess everyone knows 11.4 is officially out. The repos went gold a couple days ago and I did a zypper dup on my workstation yesterday.

I must say, the desktop work experience just feels snappier. I have no idea why, but just bouncing around in firefox, or dolphin, etc. just feels more instantaneous.

I've been meaning to write something too, but on my sons laptop, (upgraded from 11.2 to 11.4), the experience is exactly the opposite. Very slow, long KDE startup times, frequent lengthy hangs in Firefox. Switching tasks using Alt-Tab can take 2-3 seconds. Not a criticism as such, just an observation.

Something isn't quite right though - is anyone else seeing loooong hangs (up to 10minutes) with the mouse being immobile and no other apparent activity, after which the machine will suddenly wake up again? Seems to be Firefox (4beta) related. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Donald Pacaba wrote:

On 03/10/2011 11:56 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Greg Freemyer wrote:

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All,

I guess everyone knows 11.4 is officially out. The repos went gold a couple days ago and I did a zypper dup on my workstation yesterday.

I must say, the desktop work experience just feels snappier. I have no idea why, but just bouncing around in firefox, or dolphin, etc. just feels more instantaneous. I've been meaning to write something too, but on my sons laptop, (upgraded from 11.2 to 11.4), the experience is exactly the opposite. Very slow, long KDE startup times, frequent lengthy hangs in Firefox. Switching tasks using Alt-Tab can take 2-3 seconds. Not a criticism as such, just an observation.

Something isn't quite right though - is anyone else seeing loooong hangs (up to 10minutes) with the mouse being immobile and no other apparent activity, after which the machine will suddenly wake up again? Seems to be Firefox (4beta) related.

Well, it happened to me although I'm not sure if it is Firefox related because it also happened even without using Firefox. It mostly happens when I try difficult tasks like opening a flash video, modifying plasma widgets, desktop effects on some websites, etc. I'm wondering if this is video drivers related. I have a GeForce 200.

Okay, any suggestions on how to go about collecting some diagnostics on this? Or some setting to tweak to see if this behaviour will go away? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 09:42 +0530, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Friday 11 Mar 2011 22:58:21 Per Jessen wrote:

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Okay, any suggestions on how to go about collecting some diagnostics on this? Or some setting to tweak to see if this behaviour will go away?

Can you try disabling the Blur, and if that doesn't help, the Translucency desktop effects?

This sounds exactly what I described in the thread "Nvidia woes on 11.2". As it seems it is from the current X, which is probably the same as in 11.4driver, perhaps it is the same. Are there any messages about problems with 2D in the X log in /var/messages? I had to disable the nvidia proprietary. It also did not help to use the current one from nvidia. The problem persisted. All details are in the thread.

Will

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Per Jessen wrote:

Will Stephenson wrote:

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On Friday 11 Mar 2011 22:58:21 Per Jessen wrote:

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Okay, any suggestions on how to go about collecting some diagnostics on this? Or some setting to tweak to see if this behaviour will go away?

Can you try disabling the Blur, and if that doesn't help, the Translucency desktop effects?

Hi Will

assuming this is the right place, my system reports:

Desktop efects are not available on this system due to the following technical issues: [none listed].

http://files.jessen.ch/t2w-kde-desktop-effect.jpeg

BTW, this bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679105 sounds very much like what I'm experiencing too. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 11 Mar 2011 01:17:36 Oddball wrote:

Op 10-03-11 20:25, Greg Freemyer schreef:

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I guess everyone knows 11.4 is officially out. The repos went gold a couple days ago and I did a zypper dup on my workstation yesterday.

I must say, the desktop work experience just feels snappier. I have no idea why, but just bouncing around in firefox, or dolphin, etc. just feels more instantaneous.

fyi: I'm using KDE 4.6 now. So I have no idea if its a KDE, kernel, or firefox improvement.

Yep, seems to react quicker, as if the code has been cleaned thouroughly..

It's a cocktail of major performance optimisations from Nokia mobile work reaching Qt 4.7 desktop, KDE switching from parity with KDE 3 work to optimisation and stabilisation, and specific optimisations in KWin as desktop effects are refined. And the alignment of the stars (Kernel + X11) is more auspicious than it was for 11.3. Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 11 March 2011 13:52:53 Will Stephenson wrote:

It's a cocktail of major performance optimisations from Nokia mobile work reaching Qt 4.7 desktop, KDE switching from parity with KDE 3 work

Sorry but I thought that work on KDE3 stopped in 2008. There are a few patches in KDE3 tree in KDE SVN but most of them are by third-party developers. Even if somebody from KDE project contributed anything to KDE3 brench (at any rate very little), it would take no more than 0.001% of his working time. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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On Friday 11 March 2011 13:52:53 Will Stephenson wrote:

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It's a cocktail of major performance optimisations from Nokia mobile work reaching Qt 4.7 desktop, KDE switching from parity with KDE 3 work Sorry but I thought that work on KDE3 stopped in 2008. There are a few patches in KDE3 tree in KDE SVN but most of them are by third-party developers.

Even if somebody from KDE project contributed anything to KDE3 brench (at any rate very little), it would take no more than 0.001% of his working time. I THINK he meant that they have made finally made KDE4 features up to where KDE3 was. So now they are doing tuning and stuff.

I haven't tried KDE4.6 yet, but I doubt I will switch as long as KDE3 is limped along. I keep reading this list because I used to use SusE, and had some

On 03/11/2011 03:48 PM, Larry Stotler wrote: problems with it back in the 10.0 ~ 10.3 days, so left. However, I am now using a KDE 4.6 distro-- PCLINUXOS--which shows that you _can_ have KDE and a reasonable GUI. Come take a look with a live CD and see for yourself. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

2011. március 12. 0:15 napon Doug írta: [snip]

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I haven't tried KDE4.6 yet, but I doubt I will switch as long as KDE3 is limped along. I keep reading this list because I used to use SusE, and had some problems with it back in the 10.0 ~ 10.3 days, so left. However, I am now using a KDE 4.6 distro-- PCLINUXOS--which shows that you _can_ have KDE and a reasonable GUI. Come take a look with a live CD and see for yourself.

--doug

Is it possible to add manual hiding buttons to the panel? I don't want to install KDE4 for only trying this. Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 22:22, Felix Miata wrote:

On 2011/03/16 20:22 (GMT+0100) Istvan Gabor composed:

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Is it possible to add manual hiding buttons to the panel? I don't want to install KDE4 for only trying this.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158556 is so old probably another 9500 or so votes would be required for a dev to consider implementing it. Meanwhile, (believe it or not, no lie) it tops my list of reasons to keep using KDE3.

This seems to work..... ok not perfect (leaves occasional artifacts on my desktop) http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=plasma-applet-togglepanel Yes it says Mandriva, but... at least in the 30 second test I did after installing it, it seemed to work for openSUSE 11.4/KDE4.6. So basically... this corner case functionality can fairly easily be provided by a simple widget... C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday, March 17, 2011 06:55:50 AM Ilya Chernykh wrote:

After 11.4 i tries KDE4.6 and I would say it is completely broken.

If you don't want to

First of all I spotted that after any menu disappears its bottom border still remains on the screen. This is a so huge visual artifact and it was not there in KDE4.3

And? Use Lancelot, alternative that is IMO better then default, or use old style menu. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org