The last upgrade to Zmd Zypp and friends really seems to have made dramatic improvements! I've been keeping KDE up to date with the KDE repositories at http://software.opensuse.org/download/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/SUSE_Linux_10.1... There were 87 odd updates available this evening. The entire process took 50 minutes. (Its not a fast machine). This has NEVER finished in less than 4 hours in the past, due to LOOOOOONG pauses between individual patches. So this means the whole zmd rug zypp thingie is finally ACTUALLY USABLE, and my 10.1 finally seems to update as fast as 9.3. Thankie Thankie SuSE Dudes. !! -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen wrote:
The last upgrade to Zmd Zypp and friends really seems to have made dramatic improvements!
I've been keeping KDE up to date with the KDE repositories at http://software.opensuse.org/download/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/SUSE_Linux_10.1...
There were 87 odd updates available this evening.
The entire process took 50 minutes. (Its not a fast machine).
The speed of the computer has nothing to do with it- downloading is done by the modem (be it dialup or ADSL); the speed of the computer only comes in when the patches have to be installed.
This has NEVER finished in less than 4 hours in the past, due to LOOOOOONG pauses between individual patches.
So this means the whole zmd rug zypp thingie is finally ACTUALLY USABLE, and my 10.1 finally seems to update as fast as 9.3.
Thankie Thankie SuSE Dudes. !!
I use smart and it took around 4 hours to upgrade 10.1 (all to do with KDE) last night (my time- Australian Eastern Standard Time). This morning there were more upgrades but this time things "flew". Something was done to the server at suse to speed things up which is why downloads were slow before and fast this morning. Cheers. -- Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life.
On Thursday 21 September 2006 21:07, Basil Chupin wrote:
Something was done to the server at suse to speed things up which is why downloads were slow before and fast this morning.
Cheers.
Perhaps, but I'm not convinced. Just yesterday there was an update to yast/zmd/zypp et. al. That update took forever to finish. As soon as it did, I checked again for updates and found several patches that the prior version had missed. These new ones went like lightning. So unless the aledged server fix happened between these two runs, your explanation does not explain it. Why are you so convinced none of the changes applied to the update system are of any use? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen wrote:
On Thursday 21 September 2006 21:07, Basil Chupin wrote:
Something was done to the server at suse to speed things up which is why downloads were slow before and fast this morning.
Cheers.
Perhaps, but I'm not convinced.
Just yesterday there was an update to yast/zmd/zypp et. al. That update took forever to finish. As soon as it did, I checked again for updates and found several patches that the prior version had missed.
These new ones went like lightning. So unless the aledged server fix happened between these two runs, your explanation does not explain it.
Why are you so convinced none of the changes applied to the update system are of any use?
I was responding to your statement, "The entire process took 50 minutes. (Its not a fast machine)." and then mentioning that I, too, experiened a sudden speeding up of downloads but using smart as the package manager. I note that someone in another thread mentioned that as of a couple of days ago (?)zmd is now using deltas to upgrade packages. As you know, when YOU was using deltas in 10.0 any upgrades were done very quickly because deltas are quite small in size compared to (full) rpm packages. Cheers. -- Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life.
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 06:31:13PM +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On Thursday 21 September 2006 21:07, Basil Chupin wrote:
Something was done to the server at suse to speed things up which is why downloads were slow before and fast this morning.
Cheers.
Perhaps, but I'm not convinced.
Just yesterday there was an update to yast/zmd/zypp et. al. That update took forever to finish. As soon as it did, I checked again for updates and found several patches that the prior version had missed.
These new ones went like lightning. So unless the aledged server fix happened between these two runs, your explanation does not explain it.
Why are you so convinced none of the changes applied to the update system are of any use?
I was responding to your statement, "The entire process took 50 minutes. (Its not a fast machine)." and then mentioning that I, too, experiened a sudden speeding up of downloads but using smart as the package manager.
I note that someone in another thread mentioned that as of a couple of days ago (?)zmd is now using deltas to upgrade packages. As you know, when YOU was using deltas in 10.0 any upgrades were done very quickly because deltas are quite small in size compared to (full) rpm packages.
As of 2 days ago YAST Online Update is using Deltas and Patch RPMs. ZMD is still not using them even after this update. Ciao, Marcus
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 06:31:13PM +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On Thursday 21 September 2006 21:07, Basil Chupin wrote:
Something was done to the server at suse to speed things up which is why downloads were slow before and fast this morning.
Cheers. Perhaps, but I'm not convinced.
Just yesterday there was an update to yast/zmd/zypp et. al. That update took forever to finish. As soon as it did, I checked again for updates and found several patches that the prior version had missed.
These new ones went like lightning. So unless the aledged server fix happened between these two runs, your explanation does not explain it.
Why are you so convinced none of the changes applied to the update system are of any use? I was responding to your statement, "The entire process took 50 minutes. (Its not a fast machine)." and then mentioning that I, too, experiened a sudden speeding up of downloads but using smart as the package manager.
I note that someone in another thread mentioned that as of a couple of days ago (?)zmd is now using deltas to upgrade packages. As you know, when YOU was using deltas in 10.0 any upgrades were done very quickly because deltas are quite small in size compared to (full) rpm packages.
As of 2 days ago YAST Online Update is using Deltas and Patch RPMs. ZMD is still not using them even after this update.
Ciao, Marcus
Ah, thanks, Marcus, I misread that msg then- YOU and not zmd. Cheers. -- Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life.
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There were 87 odd updates available this evening. The entire process took 50 minutes. (Its not a fast machine).
The speed of the computer has nothing to do with it- downloading is done by the modem (be it dialup or ADSL); the speed of the computer only comes in when the patches have to be installed.
Not really. Other SuSE versions did first download all the updates, then they installed them. But in 10.1 YOU downloads and installs each rpm one by one. This is horrible for metered connection (per minute) modem users. Anyhow, YOU is faster now than it was in 10.1 - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFE8FctTMYHG2NR9URAiL+AJ9ai2p6u7ilryIDTq0JxmPOgDoiCgCfbD7L prD5Ws3wBnaS9yb8Pf+m0gU= =EWiW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Friday 2006-09-22 at 15:07 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
There were 87 odd updates available this evening. The entire process took 50 minutes. (Its not a fast machine). The speed of the computer has nothing to do with it- downloading is done by the modem (be it dialup or ADSL); the speed of the computer only comes in when the patches have to be installed.
Not really.
Other SuSE versions did first download all the updates, then they installed them.
But in 10.1 YOU downloads and installs each rpm one by one. This is horrible for metered connection (per minute) modem users.
Of course! This massive "improvement" in 10.1 slipped my mind. Nobody has yet told me how one would easily recover from a power failure during an upgrade when not all rpms, all dependent on each other, are downloaded, but installed, by this "improved" YOU and the computer then reboots after the power failure.
Anyhow, YOU is faster now than it was in 10.1
This kinda reminds me of the comments about XP when it first came out that one can now get the BSD a lot quicker than with Win98 :-) . Cheers. -- Paranoia is simply an optimistic outlook on life.
On Fri, 2006-09-22 at 23:35 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
Nobody has yet told me how one would easily recover from a power failure during an upgrade when not all rpms, all dependent on each other, are downloaded, but installed, by this "improved" YOU and the computer then reboots after the power failure.
The same way you would recover from a power failure in the middle of the install phase in previous versions. Run update again, possibly after an rpm --rebuilddb Power failures always screw things up. How would you recover "easily" from a power failure in the middle of an update in any operating environment at all?
On Friday 22 September 2006 02:56, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Friday 2006-09-22 at 15:07 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
There were 87 odd updates available this evening. The entire process took 50 minutes. (Its not a fast machine).
The speed of the computer has nothing to do with it- downloading is done by the modem (be it dialup or ADSL); the speed of the computer only comes in when the patches have to be installed.
Not really.
Other SuSE versions did first download all the updates, then they installed them.
Yes, and prior versions of zmd/zypp had huge long pauses (sometimes 20 minutes) between packages. Watching gkrellm (or your favorite tool) you could see no activity in the processor and nothing going across the wire for LONG periods of time. Then a session of heavy network traffic followed by a cpu spike, then nothing again for many many minutes. The newest updater starts another download immediately after the preceeding package installs. My suspicion is that a timer was previously used incorrectly which required rug sleep-interval to timeout between packages or something bone-headed like that. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
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