[opensuse] Master PDF Editor
Is Master Pdf Editor available for openSuse TW? How can I find out? doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Doug,
Is Master Pdf Editor available for openSuse TW? How can I find out?
I always download it from their web site.
doug
Bye. Michael. -- Michael Hirmke -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 5/20/20 2:16 PM, Michael Hirmke wrote:
Hi Doug,
Is Master Pdf Editor available for openSuse TW? How can I find out?
I always download it from their web site.
doug
Bye. Michael.
I found a factory website that offered a one-click install for OpenSuse, so I ran the d/l and it is installed and comes alive when selected. I haven't actually used it for anything at the moment. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
I found a factory website that offered a one-click install for OpenSuse, so I ran the d/l and it is installed and comes alive when selected. I haven't actually used it for anything at the moment. --doug You're making the mess you already have bigger and bigger. There is no such
Op donderdag 21 mei 2020 06:18:20 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett: thing as a factory website. Factory is where untested TW package live, not some kind of manufacturer website. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 5/21/20 6:41 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
I found a factory website that offered a one-click install for OpenSuse, so I ran the d/l and it is installed and comes alive when selected. I haven't actually used it for anything at the moment. --doug You're making the mess you already have bigger and bigger. There is no such
Op donderdag 21 mei 2020 06:18:20 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett: thing as a factory website. Factory is where untested TW package live, not some kind of manufacturer website.
Indeed. As I posted yesterday, there is already an OBS package for Tumbleweed. Go to the openSUSE site "Get Software", search for "Master PDF Editor". --dg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2020-05-21 at 13:18 -0400, DennisG wrote:
On 5/21/20 6:41 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
I found a factory website that offered a one-click install for OpenSuse, so I ran the d/l and it is installed and comes alive when selected. I haven't actually used it for anything at the moment. --doug You're making the mess you already have bigger and bigger. There is no such
Op donderdag 21 mei 2020 06:18:20 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett: thing as a factory website. Factory is where untested TW package live, not some kind of manufacturer website.
Indeed. As I posted yesterday, there is already an OBS package for Tumbleweed. Go to the openSUSE site "Get Software", search for "Master PDF Editor".
DO NOT DO THIS! The application in discussion is NOT FREE SOFTWARE and its redistribution except by the owners (e.g. via the OBS) is explicitly forbidden. Users need to be more responsible when they go clicky-click installing stuff; packagers who use the OBS to redistribute obviously copyrighted material much more so. Cheers, -- Atri Bhattacharya Thu 21 May 20:24:27 CEST 2020 Sent from openSUSE Tumbleweed on my laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 5/21/20 2:34 PM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
On Thu, 2020-05-21 at 13:18 -0400, DennisG wrote:
On 5/21/20 6:41 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
I found a factory website that offered a one-click install for OpenSuse, so I ran the d/l and it is installed and comes alive when selected. I haven't actually used it for anything at the moment. --doug You're making the mess you already have bigger and bigger. There is no such
Op donderdag 21 mei 2020 06:18:20 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett: thing as a factory website. Factory is where untested TW package live, not some kind of manufacturer website. Indeed. As I posted yesterday, there is already an OBS package for Tumbleweed. Go to the openSUSE site "Get Software", search for "Master PDF Editor".
DO NOT DO THIS! The application in discussion is NOT FREE SOFTWARE and its redistribution except by the owners (e.g. via the OBS) is explicitly forbidden. Users need to be more responsible when they go clicky-click installing stuff; packagers who use the OBS to redistribute obviously copyrighted material much more so.
Cheers,
I object to the "clicky-click" snark. There are innumerable "community" packages indexed. Many are simply packages that are excluded from the regular distribution in order to keep the distro manageable. Over the years I have installed many of such packages with no problem. How is the ordinary user (or for that matter, the opensuse team) supposed to know that a particular package is restricted proprietary software? Yes, the packagers have the responsibility to avoid distributing copyrighted material (which btw may be actually be permissible in some countries; then what?). But if users are on the hook for copyright violation because of improper packaging, then there is a fundamental problem with the system. --dg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2020-05-21 at 15:22 -0400, DennisG wrote:
On 5/21/20 2:34 PM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
On Thu, 2020-05-21 at 13:18 -0400, DennisG wrote:
Indeed. As I posted yesterday, there is already an OBS package for Tumbleweed. Go to the openSUSE site "Get Software", search for "Master PDF Editor".
DO NOT DO THIS! The application in discussion is NOT FREE SOFTWARE and its redistribution except by the owners (e.g. via the OBS) is explicitly forbidden. Users need to be more responsible when they go clicky-click installing stuff; packagers who use the OBS to redistribute obviously copyrighted material much more so.
Cheers,
I object to the "clicky-click" snark.
Yes, quite sorry about that. I rather allowed my annoyance at packagers providing such packages to translate onto users downloading it.
There are innumerable "community" packages indexed. Many are simply packages that are excluded from the regular distribution in order to keep the distro manageable.
This isn't the reason: TW has some 12000+ packages, surely adding a few or even a few scores of new packages won't make it any more or less manageable. A package may not be included in the distro often because its maintainer isn't able to (or doesn't want to) keep it cleanly aligned with openSUSE's packaging guidelines (or worse yet fails to build at all), because it doesn't align with the distro's vision forward (e.g. KDE3), or because it isn't legal (e.g. mplayer). In any of these cases you may have to get it from a community repo, but take it as a strong hint that doing so is not recommended. That is, unless you know what you are doing (i.e. an advanced user who can realise an issue such a package may cause, be able to rollback their system, or more).
Over the years I have installed many of such packages with no problem. How is the ordinary user (or for that matter, the opensuse team) supposed to know that a particular package is restricted proprietary software?
The license of a package is shown in YaST's software manager in the "Technical Data" tab when you select a package. Look out for the package for which this reads "Non-free" or "SUSE-Non-Free" or similar. In the spirit of free software (in spirit, not only in price), it is recommended to avoid such packages unless as a last resort.
Yes, the packagers have the responsibility to avoid distributing copyrighted material (which btw may be actually be permissible in some countries; then what?).
openSUSE and its repos distribute software all over the world, not selectively to some copyright-free countries alone. The terms of having a package in the OBS are absolutely clear: "We especially need the right to redistribute software if we include it in the build service." See <https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_application_blacklist#Packages_without_OSI_approved_license>
But if users are on the hook for copyright violation because of improper packaging, then there is a fundamental problem with the system.
Users are certainly responsible to an extent (even for copyright violations depending on local/national laws) for what they choose to put in their systems. The tools are there to be a more educated user; please be mindful of what you install to your system and where it comes from. Cheers, -- Atri Bhattacharya Thu 21 May 21:59:14 CEST 2020 Sent from openSUSE Tumbleweed on my laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 20 mei 2020 20:02:48 CEST schreef Doug McGarrett:
Is Master Pdf Editor available for openSuse TW? How can I find out? doug No. It's a commercial product.
FWIW I use LibreOffice Draw for editing PDF. Works for me. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 5/20/20 2:02 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
Is Master Pdf Editor available for openSuse TW? How can I find out? doug
https://software.opensuse.org/package/master-pdf-editor?search_term=master+p... --dg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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