Hello 1) I put all my data on one disk and knocked it over (pretty silly) 2) I then got two x2 internal HDD which I did a copy each night from one to the other 3) Then I went to x2 external HDD same copy setup I really would like a proper NAS solution but am confused as to what selection criteria I need I am pretty sure I want RAID 1 - mirror backup I am pretty sure I want ethernet not USB I don't understand what I need to have installed on an openSUSE box to talk to a NAS ? There is windows node name type sharing ? Confused. I really want it on my LINUX PC because I want to back up log files and sql tables. Andrew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 05 Aug, 2010 at 18:00:24 +1000, Andrew Rich wrote:
I really would like a proper NAS solution but am confused as to what selection criteria I need
I am pretty sure I want RAID 1 - mirror backup
yes
I am pretty sure I want ethernet not USB
yes
I don't understand what I need to have installed on an openSUSE box to talk to a NAS ?
Depends on the NAS ;)
There is windows node name type sharing ? Confused.
Me too... I can't parse that sentence :P
I really want it on my LINUX PC because I want to back up log files and sql tables.
I have a QNAP 219p and I'm pretty happy with it. It offers nfs, smb and iscsi as well as afp and ftp. It's a nice little box: quiet and low power consumption, has two diskbays which will take 2.5" or 3.5" disks. Disks default to being mirrored. The 'problem' with this (and I suspect similar products from other vendors) is that the filesystem is a proprietary/modified version of ext4, which is not readable from standard linux systems. This means that when a disk dies, I can switch it, and get the RAID rebuilt. When the next disk dies: replace and rebuild - but when the box itself dies, I'm potentially f*cked, because even though the disks may be intact I will have no easy way of reading what's on them. /jon -- YMMV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jon, Thank you for your help What is the different file sharing systems ? I note you mention smb , I have samba set up - is this made to be compatible with windows ? What is NFS and what is the difference, when would I use it ? What is iSCSI ? I am familair with ftp, but not atp ? Sorry I am good at network generally just a tad confused about file sharing protocols. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Clausen" <jon@ymmv.dk> To: <opensuse@opensuse.org> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] Help with NAS selection
On Thu, 05 Aug, 2010 at 18:00:24 +1000, Andrew Rich wrote:
I really would like a proper NAS solution but am confused as to what selection criteria I need
I am pretty sure I want RAID 1 - mirror backup
yes
I am pretty sure I want ethernet not USB
yes
I don't understand what I need to have installed on an openSUSE box to talk to a NAS ?
Depends on the NAS ;)
There is windows node name type sharing ? Confused.
Me too... I can't parse that sentence :P
I really want it on my LINUX PC because I want to back up log files and sql tables.
I have a QNAP 219p and I'm pretty happy with it. It offers nfs, smb and c as well as afp and ftp.
It's a nice little box: quiet and low power consumption, has two diskbays which will take 2.5" or 3.5" disks. Disks default to being mirrored.
The 'problem' with this (and I suspect similar products from other vendors) is that the filesystem is a proprietary/modified version of ext4, which is not readable from standard linux systems.
This means that when a disk dies, I can switch it, and get the RAID rebuilt. When the next disk dies: replace and rebuild - but when the box itself dies, I'm potentially f*cked, because even though the disks may be intact I will have no easy way of reading what's on them.
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On Thu, 05 Aug, 2010 at 19:37:42 +1000, Andrew Rich wrote:
Jon,
Thank you for your help
What is the different file sharing systems ?
wikipedia should be worth a visit ;)
I note you mention smb , I have samba set up - is this made to be compatible with windows ?
In broad terms: samba (smb) is the opensource implementation of the microsoft file protocol. Nowadays (I think) largely superceded by 'cifs'. Use when you have a mixed environment with both linux and windows hosts. I don't have windows systems and (almost) never had, so I rarely use this.
What is NFS and what is the difference, when would I use it ?
Network File System: traditional *nix file protocol. Differs vastly frm smb/cifs. I use this with the QNAP, but generally I tend to use (key-authenticted) scp/sshfs between various other systems.
What is iSCSI ?
A way to present block-device type storage over the network. With other protocols you access (part of) a filesystem residing on the remote system. With iSCSI the remote system instead presents you with a block-device - which appears as 'any other local disk' on the local system - that you can then format and create a filesystem on. While iSCSI may outperform 'file protocols' on real, actual iSCSI hardware, my general impression is that it performs worse in the case of consumer grade NAS boxes. (see sig.) Also it's a more involved setup on the client side. I wouldn't recommend it in your situation.
I am familair with ftp, but not atp ?
That's 'afp': Apple File Protocol Used in mac-land.
Sorry I am good at network generally just a tad confused about file sharing protocols.
No need to be sorry, but check out wikipedia. I think there are some ok not-too-technical articles on the subject(s) - to get you started. /jon -- YMMV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Op 05-08-10 12:16, Jon Clausen schreef:
On Thu, 05 Aug, 2010 at 19:37:42 +1000, Andrew Rich wrote:
Jon,
In broad terms: samba (smb) is the opensource implementation of the microsoft file protocol. Nowadays (I think) largely superceded by 'cifs'.
To pick some nits : cifs is the successor of smbfs, the client on Linux-machines. Samba, the server, is alive and kicking. Regards, Koenraad Lelong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 06 Aug, 2010 at 08:28:43 +0200, Koenraad Lelong wrote:
Op 05-08-10 12:16, Jon Clausen schreef:
On Thu, 05 Aug, 2010 at 19:37:42 +1000, Andrew Rich wrote:
Jon,
In broad terms: samba (smb) is the opensource implementation of the microsoft file protocol. Nowadays (I think) largely superceded by 'cifs'.
To pick some nits : cifs is the successor of smbfs, the client on Linux-machines. Samba, the server, is alive and kicking.
Thanks for clarifying. Like I said, I rarely touch the stuff apart from the occasional smb:// in Konqueror... :P -- YMMV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I got a Netgear Stora RAID 1 dual drive + Windows sharing and FTP How do I map a windows drive share in LINUX ? smbmount ? Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Clausen" <jon@ymmv.dk> To: <opensuse@opensuse.org> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] Help with NAS selection
On Fri, 06 Aug, 2010 at 08:28:43 +0200, Koenraad Lelong wrote:
Op 05-08-10 12:16, Jon Clausen schreef:
On Thu, 05 Aug, 2010 at 19:37:42 +1000, Andrew Rich wrote:
Jon,
In broad terms: samba (smb) is the opensource implementation of the microsoft file protocol. Nowadays (I think) largely superceded by 'cifs'.
To pick some nits : cifs is the successor of smbfs, the client on Linux-machines. Samba, the server, is alive and kicking.
Thanks for clarifying.
Like I said, I rarely touch the stuff apart from the occasional smb:// in Konqueror... :P -- YMMV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On 8/6/2010 9:43 PM, Andrew Rich wrote:
I got a Netgear Stora RAID 1 dual drive
+ Windows sharing and FTP
How do I map a windows drive share in LINUX ?
smbmount ?
Andrew http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-remote-windows-partition-windows-...
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Fixed mount -t cifs //192.168.1.107/MyComputers -o username=<username> ,password=<password> /storage_box ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec@tech-software.net> To: "Jon Clausen" <jon@ymmv.dk>; <opensuse@opensuse.org> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] Help with NAS selection
I got a Netgear Stora RAID 1 dual drive
+ Windows sharing and FTP
How do I map a windows drive share in LINUX ?
smbmount ?
Andrew
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Clausen" <jon@ymmv.dk> To: <opensuse@opensuse.org> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] Help with NAS selection
On Fri, 06 Aug, 2010 at 08:28:43 +0200, Koenraad Lelong wrote:
Op 05-08-10 12:16, Jon Clausen schreef:
On Thu, 05 Aug, 2010 at 19:37:42 +1000, Andrew Rich wrote:
Jon,
In broad terms: samba (smb) is the opensource implementation of the microsoft file protocol. Nowadays (I think) largely superceded by 'cifs'.
To pick some nits : cifs is the successor of smbfs, the client on Linux-machines. Samba, the server, is alive and kicking.
Thanks for clarifying.
Like I said, I rarely touch the stuff apart from the occasional smb:// in Konqueror... :P -- YMMV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 18:00:24 +1000 "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec@tech-software.net> wrote:
Hello
1) I put all my data on one disk and knocked it over (pretty silly) 2) I then got two x2 internal HDD which I did a copy each night from one to the other 3) Then I went to x2 external HDD same copy setup
I really would like a proper NAS solution but am confused as to what selection criteria I need
I am pretty sure I want RAID 1 - mirror backup
I am pretty sure I want ethernet not USB
I don't understand what I need to have installed on an openSUSE box to talk to a NAS ?
There is windows node name type sharing ? Confused.
I really want it on my LINUX PC because I want to back up log files and sql tables.
Andrew Hi I'm running a Linksys NAS200 it's cheap (lol) the network isn't fast but fine for my needs to store data on external mirrored drives. I hook up an external harddrive via the USB port for an off-site backup.
I can also turn on the media server which talks to the xbox360 for watching home videos, view pictures etc. I run a modified version of the OS from http://www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62587 It's running the defaults, but can add NFS and other filesystems by adding the modules. It defaults to xfs so can pull a drive and attach to a linux machine. -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel 2.6.34-12-default up 2 days 23:43, 2 users, load average: 0.12, 0.06, 0.01 GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - Driver Version: 256.44 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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