[opensuse] mailing list threading problems? (Thunderbird)
Anybody else noticing posts all over the place in this ML since a few days ago? Not only are many posts from different persons (including myself) seemingly being delayed, but they're not initially being threaded properly, although that seems to then 'catch up' some time later. I keep seeing orphaned replies to posts that don't exist until some hours or more later. I first thought it was one or two people who aren't subscribed creating a new topic with each reply, but then the prior posts show up in the right place later on. I read the lists in Thunderbird on oS 13.1 64-bit, and I just upgraded to the latest version 31.4.0, but I *think* these issues began occurring shortly before I updated. I don't know if it's my client or other people are seeing the same. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Peter <gumb@linuxmail.org> [01-25-15 08:55]:
Anybody else noticing posts all over the place in this ML since a few days ago? Not only are many posts from different persons (including myself) seemingly being delayed, but they're not initially being threaded properly, although that seems to then 'catch up' some time later. I keep seeing orphaned replies to posts that don't exist until some hours or more later. I first thought it was one or two people who aren't subscribed creating a new topic with each reply, but then the prior posts show up in the right place later on.
I read the lists in Thunderbird on oS 13.1 64-bit, and I just upgraded to the latest version 31.4.0, but I *think* these issues began occurring shortly before I updated. I don't know if it's my client or other people are seeing the same.
I don't see it. openSUSE Tw mutt-1.5.21 reading in a tmux session from openSUSE 13.1 server -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/25/2015 09:05 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
I read the lists in Thunderbird on oS 13.1 64-bit, and I just upgraded to the latest version 31.4.0, but I *think* these issues began occurring shortly before I updated. I don't know if it's my client or other people are seeing the same.
I don't see it.
Neither do I, with the exception of a (very) few posters who occasionally but consistently 'break thread', probably because of broken or misconfigured mailers. Like Peter, I have 13.1, Thunderbird 31.4.0. Perhaps if Peter could identify the posters, posts and date. Perhaps if he could inspect the anomalous posts to see what the headers, in particular, In-Reply-To: and References:, are on those anomalous posts, or if those fields are missing. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 01/25/2015 09:05 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
I read the lists in Thunderbird on oS 13.1 64-bit, and I just upgraded to the latest version 31.4.0, but I *think* these issues began occurring shortly before I updated. I don't know if it's my client or other people are seeing the same.
I don't see it.
Neither do I, with the exception of a (very) few posters who occasionally but consistently 'break thread', probably because of broken or misconfigured mailers.
Like Peter, I have 13.1, Thunderbird 31.4.0.
Perhaps if Peter could identify the posters, posts and date. Perhaps if he could inspect the anomalous posts to see what the headers, in particular, In-Reply-To: and References:, are on those anomalous posts, or if those fields are missing.
Istvan Gabor's postings don't have any References headers, that's the only issue I see currently. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/25/2015 09:58 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Perhaps if Peter could identify the posters, posts and date. Perhaps if he could inspect the anomalous posts to see what the headers, in particular, In-Reply-To: and References:, are on those anomalous posts, or if those fields are missing.
Istvan Gabor's postings don't have any References headers, that's the only issue I see currently.
True, and while that is a deficiency, it does not prevent my Thunderbird 31.4.0 (and all previous to dat) from using the "In-Reply-To:" field to establish threading. Perhaps this is something that is a configuration option, but I don't see it. Let's wait for Peter's reply to identify the posters and the messages and how (in-)complete the headers on the unthreaded messages are. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 25/01/15 15:16, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 01/25/2015 09:05 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
I read the lists in Thunderbird on oS 13.1 64-bit, and I just upgraded to the latest version 31.4.0, but I *think* these issues began occurring shortly before I updated. I don't know if it's my client or other people are seeing the same.
I don't see it.
Neither do I, with the exception of a (very) few posters who occasionally but consistently 'break thread', probably because of broken or misconfigured mailers.
Like Peter, I have 13.1, Thunderbird 31.4.0.
Perhaps if Peter could identify the posters, posts and date. Perhaps if he could inspect the anomalous posts to see what the headers, in particular, In-Reply-To: and References:, are on those anomalous posts, or if those fields are missing.
Your own reply and that of Per demonstrates the issue, but since it appears to be just me, I'm now suspecting this could be a problem with my mail provider (mail.com in this case for this address) Whilst you posted your replies in the afternoon and early evening my time, only a few scattered posts came through during yesterday and threads are still a jumbled mess (I've not accidentally re-sorted the columns), but now in the early hours of the morning 22 new posts show up including yours. Thunderbird receives constantly from the IMAP account so long as I click on its Inbox now and then, which I do regularly. To take another example, the thread 'What is /run/user/<user-id> directory and how to make sure it's created?' has just seen three new posts appear, those from 25/01/15 at 03:18 from Carlos and two nested posts many hours later, yet I've been checking the account throughout 25/01 and only a few dribs and drabs of other posts were appearing all day. Unless I've been added to some filter by either the list maintainer, my French ISP or GCHQ, I'll have to consider it more likely the mail provider at fault. If it continues more than a few more days I'll look into it some more. Feels like an early taste of what Cameron's new Britain has to offer... Cheers, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-01-26 02:37, Peter wrote:
To take another example, the thread 'What is /run/user/<user-id> directory and how to make sure it's created?' has just seen three new posts appear, those from 25/01/15 at 03:18 from Carlos and two nested posts many hours later, yet I've been checking the account throughout 25/01 and only a few dribs and drabs of other posts were appearing all day.
Unless I've been added to some filter by either the list maintainer, my French ISP or GCHQ, I'll have to consider it more likely the mail provider at fault. If it continues more than a few more days I'll look into it some more.
Just hit ctrl-U in Thunderbird while displaying one of the delayed emails. Look from the top-down at the lines that start with "Received:". They have a format like: Received: from PREVIOUS_STEP_SERVER ... by CURRENT_STEP_SERVER ...; some_date and some more text in between. The format varies depending on what software wrote each entry. So that they form a chain: Received: from SERVER_C ... by SERVER_D some_date Received: from SERVER_B ... by SERVER_C some_date Received: from SERVER_A ... by SERVER_B some_date So that you can see when it went out of the writer, when it entered suse, when it went out, when it reached your ISP, and possibly when you retrieved it. Everything is timestamped. You can determine precisely where the mail got stuck. It is easy. Just be mindful of timezones. Nowdays computers keep good clock time, so this is more reliable than it was. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 26/01/15 04:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Just hit ctrl-U in Thunderbird while displaying one of the delayed emails. Look from the top-down at the lines that start with "Received:". They have a format like:
Received: from PREVIOUS_STEP_SERVER ... by CURRENT_STEP_SERVER ...; some_date
and some more text in between. The format varies depending on what software wrote each entry.
So that they form a chain:
Received: from SERVER_C ... by SERVER_D some_date
Received: from SERVER_B ... by SERVER_C some_date
Received: from SERVER_A ... by SERVER_B some_date
So that you can see when it went out of the writer, when it entered suse, when it went out, when it reached your ISP, and possibly when you retrieved it. Everything is timestamped. You can determine precisely where the mail got stuck. It is easy.
Just be mindful of timezones.
Nowdays computers keep good clock time, so this is more reliable than it was.
It's just getting weirder. Example headers attached further down. Throughout this afternoon (26 Jan, CET) I continued receiving scattered messages from this ML, some dating from the 23rd or 24th Jan. Then I noticed that some were messages I'd already seen yesterday, but which had disappeared and were coming in and being marked as 'new, unread' all over again. Even my own post from the early hours of this morning was gone. Over the course of two to three hours today, new (old) messages continued trickling through every few minutes, my own from about 14 hours earlier eventually reappearing as 'new'. Of course, this is making it difficult for me to reply here not knowing what replies have already been replied to and by whom. 'New' messages coming in are frequently ones that belong earlier in the thread (by conversation logic, not by date, as one responder whose message I now cannot find was questioning me about). I check this account via IMAP and have Thunderbird set to 'Keep messages for this account on this computer', to 'Synchronise all messages locally regardless of age', and 'Do not delete any messages'. Just in the course of checking those settings and *cancelling* the dialogue, Thunderbird is this moment now re-downloading 929 messages from this mailing list, inexplicably. It normally only performs a full folder download operation like that when I set up the account on another machine. It's just completed without finding new messages, but perhaps it will now behave itself. This is all a mystery. It's behaving erratically. My account settings have always remained the same on both this and my POP accounts using versions of Thunderbird over the last decade from pre-1.0. I prefer, for various reasons, to not have messages checked automatically or at startup, so those options are unticked, as they've always been. But I do click on 'Get Messages' frequently for the POP account. In the case of this IMAP account, merely clicking on the Inbox automatically checks the messages, and for a period that I've never determined the exact length of afterwards, perhaps a quarter or half of an hour, further messages continue to come in on that account. I then need to click on the account's Inbox again. It seems to open a connection that has a set length. Perhaps that seems odd to anybody who doesn't use the settings that way, but this is how it has always behaved for many years. 'Get Messages' is hence unnecessary for the IMAP account, but clicking its drop-down entry for this account anyway doesn't bring anything new in. I've been onto my mail.com webmail interface and checked the account's settings. Nothing seems wrong there but I've now disabled spam/virus checking just to be sure that's not interfering. Here's the headers of the message from Carlos to which I'm replying. I don't know if I should be redacting anything in here:
Return-Path: opensuse+bounces-169347-gumb=linuxmail.org@opensuse.org Received: from lists4.suse.de ([195.135.221.135]) by mx-ha.gmx.net (mxgmxus004) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MGRp0-1YSyW11bhw-00DHgO for <gumb@linuxmail.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:57:37 +0100 Received: from lists4.suse.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists4.suse.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F2A186B2DF; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:09:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Original-To: opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org Delivered-To: opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org Received: from relay1.suse.de (unknown [149.44.160.133]) by lists4.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601C986B281 for <opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:09:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A647196C for <opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:09:00 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at localhost X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-9999 required=5 tests=[FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from relay1.suse.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id XeKJIZGXZoLo for <opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from mx2.suse.de (cantor2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6EA31945 for <opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.movistar.es (smtp11.acens.net [86.109.99.135]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873D5AB9B for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:08:59 +0000 (UTC) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0201.54C5AFCB.0002,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from Telcontar.valinor (83.54.51.165) by smtp.movistar.es (8.6.122.03) (authenticated as robin.listas2) id 54615F2D024918A1 for opensuse@opensuse.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:08:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Telcontar.valinor (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F25061108 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from Telcontar.valinor ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Telcontar.valinor [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2xVKnwG0gJVD for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Telcontar.valinor (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4E4604CA for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54C5AFBE.2080009@telefonica.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 04:08:46 +0100 From: "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 Precedence: bulk Mailing-List: contact opensuse+help@opensuse.org; run by mlmmj X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: <mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org> List-Help: <mailto:opensuse+help@opensuse.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:opensuse+subscribe@opensuse.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org> List-Owner: <mailto:opensuse+owner@opensuse.org> List-Archive: <http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/> X-MIME-Notice: attachments may have been removed from this message MIME-Version: 1.0 To: oS-en <opensuse@opensuse.org> Subject: Re: [opensuse] mailing list threading problems? (Thunderbird) References: <54C4F5DF.4040204@linuxmail.org> <20150125140527.GT21053@wahoo.no-ip.org> <54C4FAAB.6050406@antonaylward.com> <54C59A75.6040201@linuxmail.org> In-Reply-To: <54C59A75.6040201@linuxmail.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QqWEQAWhrIegLbk2HsuWLDCRBMHUn7p36" Envelope-To: <gumb@linuxmail.org> X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-GMX-Antivirus: -2 (not scanned) X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1
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On 2015-01-26 19:12, Peter wrote:
On 26/01/15 04:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Just hit ctrl-U in Thunderbird while displaying one of the delayed emails. Look from the top-down at the lines that start with "Received:".
It's just getting weirder. Example headers attached further down.
No, it is very clear :-)
Received: from lists4.suse.de ([195.135.221.135]) by mx-ha.gmx.net (mxgmxus004) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MGRp0-1YSyW11bhw-00DHgO for <gumb@linuxmail.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:57:37 +0100
Received: from lists4.suse.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists4.suse.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F2A186B2DF; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:09:04 +0000 (GMT)
Received: from relay1.suse.de (unknown [149.44.160.133]) by lists4.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601C986B281 for <opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org>; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 03:09:00 +0000 (GMT)
Look. Bottom to up. lists4.suse.de got the message from relay1.suse.de at 03:09:00 +0000 lists4.suse.de got the message from lists4.suse.de at 03:09:04 +0000 mx-ha.gmx.net got the message from lists4.suse.de at 15:57:37 +0100 So the delay is about 12 hours from suse.de servers to your ISP. That's a lot. Unless it has the clock badly set, and 15 hours is 3 o'clock. (04 +0100 is the same as 03 +0000) Now you could go and ask the suse mail list admin to please have a look and see if there is some reason he can find for the delay, because maybe there is some further information in the suse logs. Those headers contain the information he needs. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/26/2015 03:09 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Now you could go and ask the suse mail list admin to please have a look and see if there is some reason he can find for the delay, because maybe there is some further information in the suse logs.
At one time the Admin had some traps on mail that seemed like it was going to address verboten topics. These had to be approved by him before they would be sent out. - -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlTGy28ACgkQv7M3G5+2DLLI8wCgkEgP1qj6Ku6+RcCKyLrpnrdM p70AoIsNZTWNpnTtBnMyEWDf7efDXSKH =AbqS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-01-27 00:19, John Andersen wrote:
At one time the Admin had some traps on mail that seemed like it was going to address verboten topics. These had to be approved by him before they would be sent out.
Not at that step. The email has already gotten out from the list server. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 27/01/15 02:44, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-01-27 00:19, John Andersen wrote:
At one time the Admin had some traps on mail that seemed like it was going to address verboten topics. These had to be approved by him before they would be sent out.
Not at that step. The email has already gotten out from the list server.
Thanks for the advice. I might email the admin later but it seems now that things are back to behaving themselves, with this post of yours coming through instantly. Besides which, though it's 3am here and sleeting at -1°, I have to leave to go to work :((((( I would understand if the emails just wanted to stay at home. French word of the day: dégueulasse -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/25/2015 08:37 PM, Peter wrote:
Your own reply and that of Per demonstrates the issue, but since it appears to be just me, I'm now suspecting this could be a problem with my mail provider (mail.com in this case for this address)
That is easy for you to check. You can look at the time stamps on the "Received:" lines in the header. They say when my ISP received the message from my home machine Received: from [192.168.2.14] (CPE00146c049fe7-CM0016924d806c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.226.27.222]) (Authenticated sender: opensuse@antonaylward.com) by homiemail-a59.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2486564057 for <opensuse@opensuse.org>; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 07:05:12 -0800 (PST) thorough to when it was received by the mailing list machine Received: from mx2.suse.de (cantor2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) by relay2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3CAD1949 for <opensuse@lists4.opensuse.org>; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:05:13 +0000 (UTC) and finally when it was received at my incoming mail Received: from lists4.suse.de (lists.opensuse.org [195.135.221.135]) by homiemail-mx23.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D4766100433 for <opensuse@antonaylward.com>; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 07:06:17 -0800 (PST) As you can see, the interval between 07:05:12 and 07:06:17 is small. My local ISP, Rogers, and my main account ISP, Dreamhost, are both on big pipes. There is a fair bit of shuffling around within their own networks, the DX handling and the like. Before making assertions of delay I suggest you check and present the evidence for those assertions. There are two reasons for this. The first is to make sure that there are delays occurring where you say they are occurring; the second is so that we can help determine what the problem is if that is not the case.
Thunderbird receives constantly from the IMAP account so long as I click on its Inbox now and then, which I do regularly.
If you men that it only polls via IMAP when you clink, as opposed to polling constantly, then I suggest you review the configuration for that IMAP account service. Under 'Server Settings' I have 'update every[30] minutes. If you don't have that set it will only update if EITHER you click or if you invoke the 'get messages -> all' option from the menu bar. I believe the default when creating accounts is to leave that blank, which means you have to click, so the behaviour you describe if to be expected. If you don't want that, alter the configuration.
To take another example, the thread 'What is /run/user/<user-id> directory and how to make sure it's created?' has just seen three new posts appear, those from 25/01/15 at 03:18 from Carlos and two nested posts many hours later, yet I've been checking the account throughout 25/01 and only a few dribs and drabs of other posts were appearing all day.
Unless I've been added to some filter by either the list maintainer, my French ISP or GCHQ, I'll have to consider it more likely the mail provider at fault. If it continues more than a few more days I'll look into it some more.
I'm not sure what you are complaining about here. In threaded mode the messages are nested by how they are replied to, not by time. Of you want to see the time-order you need to turn threading off. Polewards note, that apart from the time field, which I think is time sent mapped to your own TZ, there is an 'order received' field that you can order by when not threaded. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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sunnuntai, 25. tammikuuta 2015 14:55:43 Peter kirjoitti:
Anybody else noticing posts all over the place in this ML since a few days ago? Not only are many posts from different persons (including myself) seemingly being delayed, but they're not initially being threaded properly, although that seems to then 'catch up' some time later. I keep seeing orphaned replies to posts that don't exist until some hours or more later. I first thought it was one or two people who aren't subscribed creating a new topic with each reply, but then the prior posts show up in the right place later on.
I read the lists in Thunderbird on oS 13.1 64-bit, and I just upgraded to the latest version 31.4.0, but I *think* these issues began occurring shortly before I updated. I don't know if it's my client or other people are seeing the same.
Peter
I use Kmail 4.14.3. I checked January postings in Opensuse, Opensuse-factory, Opensuse-kde and Opensuse-project folders. Found any orphaned replies. -- Viljo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On January 25, 2015 5:55:43 AM PST, Peter <gumb@linuxmail.org> wrote:
Anybody else noticing posts all over the place in this ML since a few days ago? Not only are many posts from different persons (including myself) seemingly being delayed, but they're not initially being threaded properly, although that seems to then 'catch up' some time later. I keep seeing orphaned replies to posts that don't exist until some hours or more later. I first thought it was one or two people who aren't subscribed creating a new topic with each reply, but then the prior posts show up in the right place later on.
I read the lists in Thunderbird on oS 13.1 64-bit, and I just upgraded to the latest version 31.4.0, but I *think* these issues began occurring shortly before I updated. I don't know if it's my client or other people are seeing the same.
Peter
I think all it takes is one person using a mailer that doesn't properly send "in reply to headers" to break the thread. For a while, it was outlook but I believe that has been fixed, and it's probably some webmail clients. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On January 25, 2015 5:55:43 AM PST, Peter <gumb@linuxmail.org> wrote:
Anybody else noticing posts all over the place in this ML since a few days ago? Not only are many posts from different persons (including myself) seemingly being delayed, but they're not initially being threaded properly, although that seems to then 'catch up' some time later. I keep seeing orphaned replies to posts that don't exist until some hours or more later. I first thought it was one or two people who aren't subscribed creating a new topic with each reply, but then the prior posts show up in the right place later on.
I read the lists in Thunderbird on oS 13.1 64-bit, and I just upgraded to the latest version 31.4.0, but I *think* these issues began occurring shortly before I updated. I don't know if it's my client or other people are seeing the same.
Peter
I think all it takes is one person using a mailer that doesn't properly send "in reply to headers" to break the thread.
Usually it's the References header that is used to tie things together. http://cr.yp.to/immhf/thread.html -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-1.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/25/15 19:51, Per Jessen wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
I think all it takes is one person using a mailer that doesn't properly send "in reply to headers" to break the thread.
Usually it's the References header that is used to tie things together.
Actually, done right, it's both. If anybody wants to know how threading is done properly (Thunderbird has still deficiencies, AFAIR), jwz documented the Algorithm-To-Use(tm): http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html That document also supplies information about the relevant headers that goes beyond standards, with data to back it up. When I implemented my last MUA, I found that page invaluable. The approach presented there really works, all others have problems in some places. Cheers, Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod, Roedermark, Germany Email: jschrod@acm.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2015-01-25 14:55, Peter wrote:
Anybody else noticing posts all over the place in this ML since a few days ago? Not only are many posts from different persons (including myself) seemingly being delayed, but they're not initially being threaded properly, although that seems to then 'catch up' some time later. I keep seeing orphaned replies to posts that don't exist until some hours or more later. I first thought it was one or two people who aren't subscribed creating a new topic with each reply, but then the prior posts show up in the right place later on.
Now that you say it, I think I saw one case, but I'm unsure. If you remember one thread where this happened, or even better, what post was missing/delayed, the timestamps on the received headers will track if that post was delayed and where. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
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