[opensuse] <KDE 3.5.x Question> openSUSE 11.1 KDE4 Reloaded: Includes KDE 4.2.2 and 11.1 updates
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> wrote:
While 11.2 is still months away[1] there's still plenty of activity going on with openSUSE. In addition to last week's milestone release[2], you can also get your hands on openSUSE 11.1 Reloaded. This is a respin of openSUSE 11.1[3], including KDE 4.2.2 packages and updates to 11.1.
This is an installable live CD that features the KDE 4.2.2 packages from the openSUSE Build Service repo. The live CD was created by Stephan 'Beineri' Binner, and is useful for people who want to test out KDE 4.2 and users who are doing new installs and want the most recent openSUSE updates straight out of the box.
See the KDE 4.2.2 announcement[4] for more information on the improvements and new features in KDE 4.2.2.
Some features in openSUSE's distribution of KDE differ slightly from a stock install of KDE. The "cashew" (Toolbox) is not enabled by default. It ships with the "Aya" theme and includes some bugfixes and enhancements over the stock 4.2.2 release. The Reloaded live CD also defaults to the KDE4 versions of Amarok (2.0.2) and Digikam (0.10).
A Note of Caution =================
Please note that this is not an "official" openSUSE release, and has not undergone the same kind of testing that stable releases receive.
Additional openSUSE KDE News ============================
As Will Stephenson points out, if you're following the KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop repository, you'll soon start getting KDE 4.3 packages. If you want to keep on with the KDE 4.2 packages, use the new KDE:42 repo[5]. The live CD is pre-configured to use this repository, so no need to worry about getting moved to 4.3 unless you change it.
See Important news for openSUSE KDE4 users[6] for more information about KDE repos in the openSUSE Build Service and package naming changes.
[1]: http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap [2]: http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/24/opensuse-112-milestone-1-released/ [3]: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Medias/images/iso/ [4]: http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2.2.php [5]: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/42/openSUSE_11.1/ [6]: http://mschlander.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/important-news-for-opensuse-kde4-...
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[6] states: ================================================================= .... KDE3 packages will be prefixed, like this “kde3-[package name]. If you want to keep using some KDE3 applications after updating - e.g. Konversation or K3b - add the KDE3 repository for your openSUSE version and install kde3-k3b or kde3-konversation: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/ ================================================================= Question about KDE 3.5.x (using openSUSE 11.1) - For KDE 3.5.10, what about the repositories mentioned here: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories#KDE_3.5.x ? Can they be kept/added (will they also be updated correspondingly ?), in addition to http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.1/ ? Jay -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 02 May 2009 06:03:00 Jay Mistry wrote:
For KDE 3.5.10, what about the repositories mentioned here: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories#KDE_3.5.x ?
KDE:Backports will contain more and more KDE4 apps instead of KDE3 ones over time (if they build against older distro releases). Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Binner wrote:
On Saturday 02 May 2009 06:03:00 Jay Mistry wrote:
For KDE 3.5.10, what about the repositories mentioned here: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories#KDE_3.5.x ?
KDE:Backports will contain more and more KDE4 apps instead of KDE3 ones over time (if they build against older distro releases).
Bye, Steve
In other words, if you want your kde3 apps to keep working, you may want to remove the backport repo. Thinks like kdiff3, etc. DO NOT WORK or integrate with konqueror if built against the kde4 base :-( And... they know that... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* David C. Rankin <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> [05-06-09 00:17]:
In other words, if you want your kde3 apps to keep working, you may want to remove the backport repo. Thinks like kdiff3, etc. DO NOT WORK or integrate with konqueror if built against the kde4 base :-(
And... they know that...
And... Now *you* do tooooo. You *knew* kde3 was going awaaaay. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* David C. Rankin <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> [05-06-09 00:17]:
In other words, if you want your kde3 apps to keep working, you may want to remove the backport repo. Thinks like kdiff3, etc. DO NOT WORK or integrate with konqueror if built against the kde4 base :-(
And... they know that...
And... Now *you* do tooooo.
You *knew* kde3 was going awaaaay.
Yep, but that doesn't mean it has to go quietly;-) Like I've said 100 times before, I can't wait to move to KDE4 just as soon as I can do the same things on kde4 that I can do on kde3 and do it for more than 30 minutes at a time without an hour diversion caused by some dead plasmoid, etc... I think a lot of the things I see on KDE4 look cool as hell, but all the "coolness" in the world isn't worth crap if I can't use it to get work done. Quanta uploads with fish still doesn't work, etc.. etc... etc... And to just sit down and be able to work with out the distracting... "What the hell just happened with that widget??" is worth its weight in gold. But I see good things and it looks like somebody is finally picking up the crayons and starting to focus on stability and functionality. Transitions are always painful, but this model of moving between desktop major versions will go down in history as the way *NOT* to do it. KDE 4.01 in 11.0 --- Give me a break. It still isn't a complete replacement for KDE3 and we are nearly 12 months down the road. Not to mention the black eye it left Linux in general. For years Linux has claimed that it is ready as a desktop and a viable alternative to M$. KDE4 poked one hell-of-a finger in the eye of the community being released in the condition and alpha state that it was. It's still just beta software -- period. Imagine a business committed to Linux to run as a desktop, and then waking up one June morning 2008 to KDE 4.01..... But like I said, I like what I see, once KDE4 is refined and matured, I'm sure it will be great. An it will be even better if the developers can revisit the fundamentals of the KDE philosophy -- efficiency, ease of use, and the most important "no two-key combinations or a key-click combination should ever be required -- when a keystroke or click will do." Something woefully lost on the current setup. P.S. You knew that would strike a chord ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
In <4A01220F.8090900@suddenlinkmail.com>, David C. Rankin wrote:
Not to mention the black eye it left Linux in general. For years Linux has claimed that it is ready as a desktop and a viable alternative to M$. KDE4 poked one hell-of-a finger in the eye of the community being released in the condition and alpha state that it was. It's still just beta software -- period.
Don't stick that on the KDE team. The release announcements were clear: KDE 4.0 was a developer-only release and KDE 4.1 was an early-adopter release. For those out there that have forgotten how to speak non-techie that's "alpha" and "beta", respectively. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
In <4A01220F.8090900@suddenlinkmail.com>, David C. Rankin wrote:
Not to mention the black eye it left Linux in general. For years Linux has claimed that it is ready as a desktop and a viable alternative to M$. KDE4 poked one hell-of-a finger in the eye of the community being released in the condition and alpha state that it was. It's still just beta software -- period.
Don't stick that on the KDE team. The release announcements were clear: KDE 4.0 was a developer-only release and KDE 4.1 was an early-adopter release. For those out there that have forgotten how to speak non-techie that's "alpha" and "beta", respectively.
I don't think we are putting that on the KDE team. They are doing a great job by the way. We're putting in on the "rocket scientist" from openSUSE that decided to make it appear as the primary KDE version to install starting with 11.0 by putting the solid KDE 3.x in the "other" menu at install time. This should have been the other way around. I, like many others, will not touch KDE 4.x with a 10' pole until it _is_ ready for prime time. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
In <4A01220F.8090900@suddenlinkmail.com>, David C. Rankin wrote:
Not to mention the black eye it left Linux in general. For years Linux has claimed that it is ready as a desktop and a viable alternative to M$. KDE4 poked one hell-of-a finger in the eye of the community being released in the condition and alpha state that it was. It's still just beta software -- period.
Don't stick that on the KDE team. The release announcements were clear: KDE 4.0 was a developer-only release and KDE 4.1 was an early-adopter release. For those out there that have forgotten how to speak non-techie that's "alpha" and "beta", respectively.
You are 100% Correct Boyd, But don't you recall all the *DENIALS* by a number of openSuSE folks that KDE 4.0.1 was *alpha* at the time 11.0 was release. I can't tell you the number of "No it's not"s that were posted by the Novell and openSuSE folks after 11.0. It wasn't until I and others copy-and-pasted the *Alpha* release notes to the list that the 'no it not's silently retreated. Check the archive, it is full of those discussions. And, no I don't lay that on the KDE team. I lay that squarely at the feet of the corporation that, despite saying it would never occur, has relegated openSuSE to betaware for SLES and SLED. That is the unfortunate side to the economic reality of Novell's acquisition of SuSE, like it or not. It has its benefits for openSuSE and it has its detriments to openSuSE at the same time. Novell didn't buy SuSE to continue SuSE commitment to making the OSS distribution the best in the world. Novell bought SuSE to profit with the sale and support of SLES and SLED, and for the good (from a funding standpoint) and for the bad (from the change to a testbed standpoint) continued openSuSE as the OSS offering. Pretty damn smart business as well when you stop and think about it ... to acquire over a 1,000,000 free testers in the process ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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