"Keith Gibbons" <stardatecomputers@eircom.net> writes:
Hi all, I am afraid that SuSE's silence is deafening on this matter. I would have thought that jumping on the RH bandwagon, i.e. selling a "come and get me" distro on 1 CD for a few $ and charging a lot more for the multi CD "Professional Edition" would be a detrimental move. We have all seen what has happened to M$. I for one buy SuSE for the great selection of "free" packages. I think that this is one of the strong points of the distro. OK we can do without the manual if it was still on a CD in some readable format as the cover of the CD's is nearly enough to get you up and running. The printing costs of the manual alone must be quite high.
I concur -- while the quality of the manuals keep getting better and better, they are basically repeating things already said in the two foot tall and growing stack of installation manuals I already own -- with only very, very slight changes as the OS evolves. What people who have been using Linux for years need is an electronically searchable version of the changes -- not more dead trees to pile up on their bookshelves. SuSE needs a way to make their 6 CD version available as updates to people who cannot afford to buy the professional version 4 times a year, or else they will lose touch with the origins of Linux, and wither. (After all, Linus started Linux because he could not afford a commercial version of Unix.) [snip] -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
"Keith Gibbons" <stardatecomputers@eircom.net> writes:
Hi all, I am afraid that SuSE's silence is deafening on this matter. I would have thought that jumping on the RH bandwagon, i.e. selling a "come and get me" distro on 1 CD for a few $ and charging a lot more for the multi CD "Professional Edition" would be a detrimental move. We have all seen what has happened to M$. I for one buy SuSE for the great selection of "free" packages. I think that this is one of the strong points of the distro. OK we can do without the manual if it was still on a CD in some readable
format as
the cover of the CD's is nearly enough to get you up and running. The printing costs of the manual alone must be quite high.
I concur -- while the quality of the manuals keep getting better and better, they are basically repeating things already said in the two foot tall and growing stack of installation manuals I already own -- with only very, very slight changes as the OS evolves. What people who have been using Linux for years need is an electronically searchable version of the changes -- not more dead trees to pile up on their bookshelves. SuSE needs a way to make their 6 CD version available as updates to people who cannot afford to buy the professional version 4 times a year, or else they will lose touch with the origins of Linux, and wither. (After all, Linus started Linux because he could not afford a commercial version of Unix.)
I disagree that the printed manual should be left out of future versions of SuSE Linux. I for one bought SuSE Linux because it was better documented than most of the other distro's. It might be better to leave the printed manual out of the upgrade version - since they already have the manual - and new users of SuSE can still get the printed manual in the full version. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
David Trotz wrote:
"Keith Gibbons" <stardatecomputers@eircom.net> writes:
Hi all, I am afraid that SuSE's silence is deafening on this matter. I would have thought that jumping on the RH bandwagon, i.e. selling a "come and get me" distro on 1 CD for a few $ and charging a lot more for the multi CD "Professional Edition" would be a detrimental move. We have all seen what has happened to M$. I for one buy SuSE for the great selection of "free" packages. I think that this is one of the strong points of the distro. OK we can do without the manual if it was still on a CD in some readable format as the cover of the CD's is nearly enough to get you up and running. The printing costs of the manual alone must be quite high.
I concur -- while the quality of the manuals keep getting better and better, they are basically repeating things already said in the two foot tall and growing stack of installation manuals I already own -- with only very, very slight changes as the OS evolves. What people who have been using Linux for years need is an electronically searchable version of the changes -- not more dead trees to pile up on their bookshelves. SuSE needs a way to make their 6 CD version available as updates to people who cannot afford to buy the professional version 4 times a year, or else they will lose touch with the origins of Linux, and wither. (After all, Linus started Linux because he could not afford a commercial version of Unix.)
I disagree that the printed manual should be left out of future versions of SuSE Linux. I for one bought SuSE Linux because it was better documented than most of the other distro's. It might be better to leave the printed manual out of the upgrade version - since they already have the manual - and new users of SuSE can still get the printed manual in the full version.
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This sound a clever idea! Cheers, Stefano -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi, On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, David Trotz wrote:
I disagree that the printed manual should be left out of future versions of SuSE Linux. I for one bought SuSE Linux because it was better documented than most of the other distro's. It might be better to leave the printed manual out of the upgrade version - since they already have the manual - and new users of SuSE can still get the printed manual in the full version.
And this is exactly what is going to happen - there will be a special upgrade package without the manuals. Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany With foxes we must play the fox. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
I have a question, with all of this talk about SuSE 7, I am getting excited but I don't know what is the cost in american dollars and when can we see it here in the United States? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi, On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, David Trotz wrote:
I have a question, with all of this talk about SuSE 7, I am getting excited but I don't know what is the cost in american dollars and when can we see it here in the United States?
We usually announce and ship the German version first. It sometimes takes ages to get the boxes through US customs after they have been produced. Therefore we delay the announcement in the US so people do not have to wait too long after it has been announced. Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany With foxes we must play the fox. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Another good question is: If the release on English it's going to delay to much time to arrive to USA, why can we buy it directly from SuSE Germany (of course on English) ? Eduardo. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi, On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Linux News User wrote:
Another good question is:
If the release on English it's going to delay to much time to arrive to USA, why can we buy it directly from SuSE Germany (of course on English) ?
This is because the English version is different from the US version - stupid crypto and patent laws require us to leave off some packages from the US distribution. Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany You know you're really old when stop buying green bananas -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Linux News User wrote:
Another good question is:
If the release on English it's going to delay to much time to arrive to USA, why can we buy it directly from SuSE Germany (of course on English) ?
This is because the English version is different from the US version - stupid crypto and patent laws require us to leave off some packages from the US distribution.
Bye, LenZ
Did you really mean to say there are 3 versions: German, US, and English. If there is an English version which is identical to the US version but includes all the banned crypto, how do I order it? -- Terry Eck <eck@raytheon.com> Office: 972-575-6196_____Beeper: 972-297-5350_____Fax: 972-575-0556 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi Terry, ---- Terry Eck wrote:
[snip...]
Did you really mean to say there are 3 versions: German, US, and English.
And Spanish, FYI. (Not so Lenz??)
If there is an English version which is identical to the US version but includes all the banned crypto, how do I order it?
Hmm??
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Hi Lenz, Does this change now that the US has opened up it's encryption export/import laws? Thanks, Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ===================== "Solutions that Work" =====================
-----Original Message----- From: Lenz Grimmer [mailto:grimmer@suse.de] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:27 PM To: SuSE Linux Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE 7 Deluxe on English
Hi,
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Linux News User wrote:
Another good question is:
If the release on English it's going to delay to much time to arrive to USA, why can we buy it directly from SuSE Germany (of course on English) ?
This is because the English version is different from the US version - stupid crypto and patent laws require us to leave off some packages from the US distribution.
Bye, LenZ
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On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:26:40 +0200 (CEST), Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Linux News User wrote:
Another good question is:
If the release on English it's going to delay to much time to arrive to USA, why can we buy it directly from SuSE Germany (of course on English) ?
This is because the English version is different from the US version - stupid crypto and patent laws require us to leave off some packages from the US distribution.
Bye, LenZ
OK, so there are 2 English versions namely the restrictive US English and the complete UK? English version. As a Canadian who is not subject to US law how do I get a copy of the non-US English version? The only source of real SuSe Linux into Canada at this time appears to be from the US as SuSe is practically invisible in Canada. I have a database of just under 100 local retailers in my area and none of them stock SuSe and the 4 national mail order chains I have dealt with also do not carry SuSe. The Canadian companies listed at suse.com appear to be CD burners (1 or 2 CDs, no manuals). This means that to get SuSe, I and presumably other Canadians need to order from the US and now I find that this is a crippled version. Any way to get the non-US English version? Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ For my public PGP key send email with subject: "Send_PGP_Key" RSA Key - 0x434B4825 DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01 +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Well, being a US citizen and being restricted on what I can get from SuSE, my understanding is this: the US version (a.k.a. the International version) is stripped of the "good" security packages because of the restrictions that the US had regarding crypto export. We can import all the crypto we want, but could not ship it out of the country again, even if it originated somewhere else. Now that US crypto laws have been relaxed, I would love to see a fuller version with a number of the security packages included, rather than having to download them separately from the German site. The issue for people in English speaking countries is to convince SuSE to only make one English distro and handle International shipments from somewhere outside of the US. Then, the US could have the benefit of all the crypto packages, and not be penalized for having a paranoid government.
- Herman
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:26:40 +0200 (CEST), Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Linux News User wrote:
Another good question is:
If the release on English it's going to delay to much time to arrive to USA, why can we buy it directly from SuSE Germany (of course on English) ?
This is because the English version is different from the US version - stupid crypto and patent laws require us to leave off some packages from the US distribution.
Bye, LenZ
OK, so there are 2 English versions namely the restrictive US English and the complete UK? English version. As a Canadian who is not subject to US law how do I get a copy of the non-US English version?
The only source of real SuSe Linux into Canada at this time appears to be from the US as SuSe is practically invisible in Canada. I have a database of just under 100 local retailers in my area and none of them stock SuSe and the 4 national mail order chains I have dealt with also do not carry SuSe. The Canadian companies listed at suse.com appear to be CD burners (1 or 2 CDs, no manuals). This means that to get SuSe, I and presumably other Canadians need to order from the US and now I find that this is a crippled version.
Any way to get the non-US English version?
Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government?
+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ For my public PGP key send email with subject: "Send_PGP_Key" RSA Key - 0x434B4825 DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01 +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
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On 02-Aug-00 Ralph Sanford wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:26:40 +0200 (CEST), Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Linux News User wrote:
Another good question is:
If the release on English it's going to delay to much time to arrive to USA, why can we buy it directly from SuSE Germany (of course on English) ?
This is because the English version is different from the US version - stupid crypto and patent laws require us to leave off some packages from the US distribution.
Bye, LenZ
OK, so there are 2 English versions namely the restrictive US English and the complete UK? English version. As a Canadian who is not subject to US law how do I get a copy of the non-US English version?
The only source of real SuSe Linux into Canada at this time appears to be from the US as SuSe is practically invisible in Canada. I have a database of just under 100 local retailers in my area and none of them stock SuSe and the 4 national mail order chains I have dealt with also do not carry SuSe. The Canadian companies listed at suse.com appear to be CD burners (1 or 2 CDs, no manuals). This means that to get SuSe, I and presumably other Canadians need to order from the US and now I find that this is a crippled version.
Any way to get the non-US English version?
Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government?
+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ For my public PGP key send email with subject: "Send_PGP_Key" RSA Key - 0x434B4825 DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01 +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
I might add the the Canadian company cdromshop.com also only supplies the US version. ----------------------------------- Arlen Carlson <adcarlson@iname.com> You possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained. This message was sent by XFmail (Linux) -o) /\\ _\_v The penguins are coming... the penguins are coming... ----------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Wed, 02 Aug 2000, Arlen Carlson wrote:
OK, so there are 2 English versions namely the restrictive US English and the complete UK? English version. As a Canadian who is not subject to US law how do I get a copy of the non-US English version?
The only source of real SuSe Linux into Canada at this time appears to be from the US as SuSe is practically invisible in Canada. I have a
Try www.camelot.ca They have always treated me right. Quick shipping. Reasonalbe prices. Website currently only lists 6.4 but they normally have the new version not long after it's out. Nick -- ----------------------------- Anybody got plans for an ark? ----------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
For what it's worth, I live in Toronto and have bought SuSE for the last couple of years at the University of Toronto Book Store. Of course this is the US version (without the encryption stuff). I believe they get their copies from a US distributor. I also believe they will ship anywhere in Canada but you should check their website to be sure. Personally, I'll pass on the 7.0 version unless there are some significant advantages to upgrading. I've always bought each and every release for the last couple of years but was very disappointed in 6.4. There were too many things broken when it was shipped and some were never fixed that I'm aware of ie. susefax or sendfax. Frankly, there wasn't a compelling reason for me to upgrade and I now realize that I just wasted my $$$ on 6.4. I only wound up installing on one test system and kept my main systems running 6.3. This time I'll wait for a solid release that has the features I need before buying. Gerry On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Arlen Carlson wrote:
On 02-Aug-00 Ralph Sanford wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:26:40 +0200 (CEST), Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Linux News User wrote:
Another good question is:
If the release on English it's going to delay to much time to arrive to USA, why can we buy it directly from SuSE Germany (of course on English) ?
This is because the English version is different from the US version - stupid crypto and patent laws require us to leave off some packages from the US distribution.
Bye, LenZ
OK, so there are 2 English versions namely the restrictive US English and the complete UK? English version. As a Canadian who is not subject to US law how do I get a copy of the non-US English version?
The only source of real SuSe Linux into Canada at this time appears to be from the US as SuSe is practically invisible in Canada. I have a database of just under 100 local retailers in my area and none of them stock SuSe and the 4 national mail order chains I have dealt with also do not carry SuSe. The Canadian companies listed at suse.com appear to be CD burners (1 or 2 CDs, no manuals). This means that to get SuSe, I and presumably other Canadians need to order from the US and now I find that this is a crippled version.
Any way to get the non-US English version?
Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government?
+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+ For my public PGP key send email with subject: "Send_PGP_Key" RSA Key - 0x434B4825 DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01 +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
I might add the the Canadian company cdromshop.com also only supplies the US version.
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Gerry Doris wrote:
Personally, I'll pass on the 7.0 version unless there are some significant advantages to upgrading. I've always bought each and every release for the last couple of years but was very disappointed in 6.4. There were too many things broken when it was shipped and some were never fixed that I'm aware of ie. susefax or sendfax.
I'd expect the kernel 2.4.0 (that is just around the corner) to integrate SuSE Linux 7.0. Frankly I can't see any major change that would justify a major version release, however a major kernel release would! So I'll probably wait the next version wich integrates kernel 2.4.x. I'm impacient waiting for kernel 2.4.X. Netfilter is just great!!! []s, Bráulio Weimann Gergull -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:22:53PM -0600, Ralph Sanford wrote:
OK, so there are 2 English versions namely the restrictive US English and the complete UK? English version. As a Canadian who is not subject to US law how do I get a copy of the non-US English version?
The only source of real SuSe Linux into Canada at this time appears to be from the US as SuSe is practically invisible in Canada. I have a database of just under 100 local retailers in my area and none of them stock SuSe and the 4 national mail order chains I have dealt with also do not carry SuSe. The Canadian companies listed at suse.com appear to be CD burners (1 or 2 CDs, no manuals). This means that to get SuSe, I and presumably other Canadians need to order from the US and now I find that this is a crippled version.
Any way to get the non-US English version?
I live in the U.S. and was able to obtain the packages that were missing by going to the German FTP site. If you are unable to get the UK version, then you might try that. Victor -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
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