Re: [SLE] Re: ***SPAM*** Re: [SLE] Re: Samba HOWTO
Brad Bourn wrote:
I don't think so, even the response someone else sent that included you name & email got tagged....
that's funny.
I wonder what it is about your name and / or email..
Well, it has to be something beyond the SuSE list, otherwise I'd be seeing it to. That leaves you, your ISP or some intermediate point.
I know it is my ISP running spamassasin with a auto-rules update that tags it based on your name and / or email they have already marked you as an exception. B-) On Tuesday 23 November 2004 10:28 am, James Knott wrote:
Brad Bourn wrote:
I don't think so, even the response someone else sent that included you name & email got tagged....
that's funny.
I wonder what it is about your name and / or email..
Well, it has to be something beyond the SuSE list, otherwise I'd be seeing it to. That leaves you, your ISP or some intermediate point.
On Tuesday 23 November 2004 12:43, James Knott wrote:
Brad Bourn wrote:
I know it is my ISP running spamassasin with a auto-rules update that tags it based on your name and / or email
they have already marked you as an exception.
My mother often said I was exceptional. ;-) Incidentally, I see the spam heading also. -- DC Parris GNU Evangelist http://matheteuo.org/ http://chaddb.sourceforge.net/ "Free software is like God's love - you can share it with anyone anytime anywhere!"
I'm still thinking it was my provider, and you were seeing one of my replies. Brings up a good point though, It may be a good idea to identify the spamassasin machine in the header so it would be something like ***SPAM (my isp)*** To avoid the guessing.... 3 cents worth B-) On Tuesday 23 November 2004 11:03 pm, Don Parris wrote:
On Tuesday 23 November 2004 12:43, James Knott wrote:
Brad Bourn wrote:
I know it is my ISP running spamassasin with a auto-rules update that tags it based on your name and / or email
they have already marked you as an exception.
My mother often said I was exceptional. ;-)
Incidentally, I see the spam heading also. -- DC Parris GNU Evangelist http://matheteuo.org/ http://chaddb.sourceforge.net/ "Free software is like God's love - you can share it with anyone anytime anywhere!"
The Wednesday 2004-11-24 at 08:05 -0700, Brad Bourn wrote:
I'm still thinking it was my provider, and you were seeing one of my replies.
Could be. I think you are right.
Brings up a good point though,
It may be a good idea to identify the spamassasin machine in the header so it would be something like
***SPAM (my isp)***
To avoid the guessing....
I think you probably have that info in the original email you got from your provider, the first one with the spam subject. It should be in some "hidden" headers, like: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on nimrodel.valinor -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Some people need to start editing their Subject lines and remove the spamassassin "junkmail" tag. Having the tag in the header could easily have some people's Bayes filters raising the spam score. As for how it got started...hey, just the caps "[SLE]" in the header adds to the statistical chance of it getting marked spam...CAPS in the header...then with HOWTO also all caps in the header....double "Re:" might get flagged as "weird". Anyway -- maybe the discussion on it being spam should goto the "spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net" list and the SuSE related questions about the HOWTO could go to the suse-linus-e@suse.com list? I know I missed the original post that started this, and I can't find it in my SuSE-Linux folder (likely because it expired/was too old). The earliest post I found had this in it:
...
http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO.html was last updated
April 2000,
....
and asked about updating the "howto" from V2 to V3 I don't know what you were looking for, exactly, but samba documentation is on the samba.org site. The doc index is at http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/ . There is also an official V3 HOWTO listed on the index page located at http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/index.html . Perhaps this answers the original question -- though I might point out that questions about Samba Howto's from "en.tldp.org" don't exactly sound like a SuSE related question. FYI, there are specific Samba related discussion groups listed at http://lists.samba.org/mailman/ with archives at http://us4.samba.org/samba/archives.html . From my perspective, I don't like having to fish SuSE postings out of my Spam folder and make sure they end up in my "despam" folder so when I run sa-learn to teach SA what is spam/ham, it doesn't start thinking that SuSE posts are spam...SA is dumb enough as it is -- it seems to classify alot moreemail as spam than Thunderbird's own spam marker, though it might be simply a case that SA errs on side of false positives while Tbird err's on side of false negatives... In any event -- please _try_ to get the subject's a bit more like "right", so as not to confuse silly sorting rules that look for SA-tags in the Subject field to decide if something has been marked as Spam by SA. I normally wouldn't think that something with "***SPAM***" in the header would be a normal non-spam discussion especially if I was a dumb computer filter that just separates out SA tagged spam into a Spam folder... ;-) Hope any of this helps -- and doesn't offend...not meant to be offensive, merely clarifying.... Tnx, -linda Don Parris wrote:
On Tuesday 23 November 2004 12:43, James Knott wrote:
Brad Bourn wrote:
I know it is my ISP running spamassasin with a auto-rules update that tags it based on your name and / or email
they have already marked you as an exception.
My mother often said I was exceptional. ;-)
Incidentally, I see the spam heading also.
The Wednesday 2004-11-24 at 13:56 -0800, Linda A. W. wrote:
I know I missed the original post that started this, and I can't find it in my SuSE-Linux folder (likely because it expired/was too old). The earliest post I found had this in it:
I keep more that 5 thousand emails on the suse-linux-e folder :-p ...
From my perspective, I don't like having to fish SuSE postings out of my Spam folder and make sure they end up in my "despam" folder so when I run sa-learn to teach SA what is spam/ham, it doesn't start thinking that SuSE posts are spam...SA is dumb enough as it is -- it seems to classify alot moreemail as spam than Thunderbird's own spam marker, though it might be simply a case that SA errs on side of false positives while Tbird err's on side of false negatives...
That doesn't happen here, I get no false positives at all, just a few false negatives. The Bayesian filters works as a charm. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Carlos, On Wednesday 24 November 2004 16:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2004-11-24 at 13:56 -0800, Linda A. W. wrote:
I know I missed the original post that started this, and I can't find it in my SuSE-Linux folder (likely because it expired/was too old). The earliest post I found had this in it:
I keep more that 5 thousand emails on the suse-linux-e folder :-p
I roll over very-high-volume lists such as SuSE-Linux-E to a date-stamped, secondary mail folder every month. In the few months I've subscribed to that list, the average message volume has from 4,000 to 4,500 messages per month.
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From my perspective, I don't like having to fish SuSE postings out of my Spam folder and make sure they end up in my "despam" folder so when I run sa-learn to teach SA what is spam/ham, it doesn't start thinking that SuSE posts are spam...SA is dumb enough as it is -- it seems to classify alot moreemail as spam than Thunderbird's own spam marker, though it might be simply a case that SA errs on side of false positives while Tbird err's on side of false negatives...
That doesn't happen here, I get no false positives at all, just a few false negatives. The Bayesian filters works as a charm.
Exactly my experience. I rely on my ISP's application of SpamAssassin, and it's amazingly good. I don't allow them to delete or even corral the putative UCE, but in fact false positives are very rare. The only odd thing is the false negatives. They seem pretty obvious, but for whatever reason don't pass the score threshold used by SpamAssassin (as configured by my ISP, of course). Lastly, one of my favorite things about KMail is the arbitrary header rewrite capability that is incorporated into its filter mechanism. Two of the most common rewrites I use are to strip SpamAssassin headers from false positives and--much more commonly--to move a thread hijacking post to the top of the thread hierarchy (by removing the "In-Reply-To" and "References" headers entirely). Naturally, both of these filters are set for manual application only and are added to the "Message" -> "Apply Filter" sub-menu.
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Randall Schulz
The Wednesday 2004-11-24 at 16:59 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I keep more that 5 thousand emails on the suse-linux-e folder :-p
I roll over very-high-volume lists such as SuSE-Linux-E to a date-stamped, secondary mail folder every month. In the few months I've subscribed to that list, the average message volume has from 4,000 to 4,500 messages per month.
Right, same here: my archive has around 455 Mbytes, for 2003 and 2004. 2002 I moved out to CD, I think. No wonder my home directory is so big ;-) I do the moving based on threads, manually, with Pine. I would like something automatic, like "move all threads starting between such date till such date" - but whole threads, not single mails. Anybody knows such a gadget? -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Thursday 25 November 2004 09:16, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2004-11-24 at 16:59 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I keep more that 5 thousand emails on the suse-linux-e folder :-p
I roll over very-high-volume lists such as SuSE-Linux-E to a date-stamped, secondary mail folder every month. In the few months I've subscribed to that list, the average message volume has from 4,000 to 4,500 messages per month.
Right, same here: my archive has around 455 Mbytes, for 2003 and 2004. 2002 I moved out to CD, I think. No wonder my home directory is so big ;-)
Out of curiosity, why do you maintain your own archives? That's a lot of disk space for files that are readily available elsewhere. Easier to search? Jeff
Jeff, On Thursday 25 November 2004 07:02, Jeffrey Laramie wrote:
On Thursday 25 November 2004 09:16, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2004-11-24 at 16:59 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
I keep more that 5 thousand emails on the suse-linux-e folder :-p
I roll over very-high-volume lists such as SuSE-Linux-E to a date-stamped, secondary mail folder every month. In the few months I've subscribed to that list, the average message volume has from 4,000 to 4,500 messages per month.
Right, same here: my archive has around 455 Mbytes, for 2003 and 2004. 2002 I moved out to CD, I think. No wonder my home directory is so big ;-)
Out of curiosity, why do you maintain your own archives? That's a lot of disk space for files that are readily available elsewhere. Easier to search?
I do it, in part, because there are means of searching that are only possible when you have the mail locally. I'm a regular expression freak, and to my knowledge, there are no Web search tools that give you that kind of search capability. With a tool like "mailgrep," you can find things a lot more effectively than you can with simple keyword search. I also do it in part as throw-back to my days of dial-in modems, when retrieving large quantities of data from the 'Net was not so speedy. And I still miss Windows' transparent, file system-based, file compression. I always compressed my mail archives, leaving only those mailboxes currently receiving new posts uncompressed.
Jeff
Randall Schulz
The Thursday 2004-11-25 at 10:01 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Out of curiosity, why do you maintain your own archives? That's a lot of disk space for files that are readily available elsewhere. Easier to search?
I do it, in part, because there are means of searching that are only possible when you have the mail locally. I'm a regular expression freak, and to my knowledge, there are no Web search tools that give you that kind of search capability. With a tool like "mailgrep," you can find things a lot more effectively than you can with simple keyword search.
¡Exactly!
I also do it in part as throw-back to my days of dial-in modems, when retrieving large quantities of data from the 'Net was not so speedy.
¡Right! I'm on dial up, and I pay every minute of the conection. I simply can not browse every time I want to, and not as long as I want.
And I still miss Windows' transparent, file system-based, file compression. I always compressed my mail archives, leaving only those mailboxes currently receiving new posts uncompressed.
Me too. NT has that feature, and ext2 had it "to be added", but it has not been so. When I install 9.2 I'll try something that we comented here about that, a month ago at least. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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