[opensuse] Opensuse-11-beta2-DVD-delta.iso
Hi, What is the difference between delta-DVD and normal DVD iso? Regards, Indhu D -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2008-05-06 at 15:26 +0530, Indhu Durai wrote:
What is the difference between delta-DVD and normal DVD iso?
The delta is not a dvd. Is a file used to construct the next iso from the previous one. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIIDIUtTMYHG2NR9URAlv3AJ99QDlTtxVPqjVr8S29x6HXaIy3EQCePhlM eZ47YdonAcXsaKesbTOOjb4= =Ymfs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos, Thanks for the information. I would like to test the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso (PPC image). Since IBM is restricted to use Torrent as client, i am unable to get the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso. Can anyone provide access to Opensus-11.2,ppc image that does not involve torrent client?? Regards, Indhu D On Tue, 2008-05-06 at 12:25 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Tuesday 2008-05-06 at 15:26 +0530, Indhu Durai wrote:
What is the difference between delta-DVD and normal DVD iso?
The delta is not a dvd. Is a file used to construct the next iso from the previous one.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2008-05-06 at 16:04 +0530, Indhu Durai wrote: Please, don't top-post.
Carlos, Thanks for the information.
I would like to test the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso (PPC image). Since IBM is restricted to use Torrent as client, i am unable to get the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso.
Can anyone provide access to Opensus-11.2,ppc image that does not involve torrent client??
You can get it from some mirrors, like the gwdg one. Somebody posted the full link in the factory list. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIIDybtTMYHG2NR9URAr9VAJ99vzucoDMz0FTDdiIyQFXrpgoPagCeKWRM 5VZhqffOmaGsZ1RUmdbxuQY= =7sLd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Indhu Durai <indhu@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
Carlos, Thanks for the information.
I would like to test the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso (PPC image). Since IBM is restricted to use Torrent as client, i am unable to get the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso.
Restricted FROM using torrent or Restricted TO using torrent? There is a big difference.
Can anyone provide access to Opensus-11.2,ppc image that does not involve torrent client??
If you were restricted TO using torrent, why ask for access that does NOT use torrent? -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Indhu Durai wrote:
Carlos, Thanks for the information.
I would like to test the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso (PPC image). Since IBM is restricted to use Torrent as client, i am unable to get the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso.
Can anyone provide access to Opensus-11.2,ppc image that does not involve torrent client??
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Fred A. Miller wrote:
Indhu Durai wrote:
Carlos, Thanks for the information.
I would like to test the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso (PPC image). Since IBM is restricted to use Torrent as client, i am unable to get the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso.
Can anyone provide access to Opensus-11.2,ppc image that does not involve torrent client??
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
Maybe the current 11.0 should be renamed 10.4 I really LIKE SuSE as a platform, but sometimes their decision-making makes me feel like ripping my hair out. Nobody among us really needs a repeat of the 10.0 fiasco.
Fred
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Sam Clemens wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
Indhu Durai wrote:
Carlos, Thanks for the information.
I would like to test the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso (PPC image). Since IBM is restricted to use Torrent as client, i am unable to get the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso.
Can anyone provide access to Opensus-11.2,ppc image that does not involve torrent client??
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
Maybe the current 11.0 should be renamed 10.4
I really LIKE SuSE as a platform, but sometimes their decision-making makes me feel like ripping my hair out.
Nobody among us really needs a repeat of the 10.0 fiasco.
No, we don't, and presently - presently - 11.0 will make 10.0 like perfect! I can't find fault with the OS...everything seems solid, just KDE 4.0! Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Fred A. Miller wrote:
Sam Clemens wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
Indhu Durai wrote:
Carlos, Thanks for the information.
I would like to test the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso (PPC image). Since IBM is restricted to use Torrent as client, i am unable to get the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso.
Can anyone provide access to Opensus-11.2,ppc image that does not involve torrent client??
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
Maybe the current 11.0 should be renamed 10.4
I really LIKE SuSE as a platform, but sometimes their decision-making makes me feel like ripping my hair out.
Nobody among us really needs a repeat of the 10.0 fiasco.
No, we don't, and presently - presently - 11.0 will make 10.0 like perfect! I can't find fault with the OS...everything seems solid, just KDE 4.0!
Who ever threw the switch for this train wreck in the making needs to be thoroughly chastised, and assigned to answering phones for the next 12 months....since 11.0 WILL, of course, be the basis for SLED 11. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sam Clemens wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
Sam Clemens wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
Indhu Durai wrote:
Carlos, Thanks for the information.
I would like to test the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso (PPC image). Since IBM is restricted to use Torrent as client, i am unable to get the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso.
Can anyone provide access to Opensus-11.2,ppc image that does not involve torrent client??
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
Maybe the current 11.0 should be renamed 10.4
I really LIKE SuSE as a platform, but sometimes their decision-making makes me feel like ripping my hair out.
Nobody among us really needs a repeat of the 10.0 fiasco.
No, we don't, and presently - presently - 11.0 will make 10.0 like perfect! I can't find fault with the OS...everything seems solid, just KDE 4.0!
Who ever threw the switch for this train wreck in the making needs to be thoroughly chastised, and assigned to answering phones for the next 12 months....since 11.0 WILL, of course, be the basis for SLED 11.
I assume that's true. I just don't see 4.0 being ready.......this could be Novell's BIG change on the desktop market, and I've very concerned that they're going to blow it.....big time! Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sam Clemens wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
Indhu Durai wrote:
Carlos, Thanks for the information.
I would like to test the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso (PPC image). Since IBM is restricted to use Torrent as client, i am unable to get the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso.
Can anyone provide access to Opensus-11.2,ppc image that does not involve torrent client??
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
Maybe the current 11.0 should be renamed 10.4
I really LIKE SuSE as a platform, but sometimes their decision-making makes me feel like ripping my hair out.
Nobody among us really needs a repeat of the 10.0 fiasco.
That's the 2nd mention I've heard of 10.0 in the past few days. What was so bad about 10.0? I thought it was a fairly decent release, the last really solid one before all the drama started with zen and beagle. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 6 May 2008, Joe Sloan wrote:
Sam Clemens wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
Indhu Durai wrote:
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
Maybe the current 11.0 should be renamed 10.4
I really LIKE SuSE as a platform, but sometimes their decision-making makes me feel like ripping my hair out.
Nobody among us really needs a repeat of the 10.0 fiasco.
That's the 2nd mention I've heard of 10.0 in the past few days. What was so bad about 10.0? I thought it was a fairly decent release, the last really solid one before all the drama started with zen and beagle.
It should be 10.1 and the zmd late add-in. -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 May 2008 12:40:55 am Joe Sloan wrote:
Nobody among us really needs a repeat of the 10.0 fiasco.
That's the 2nd mention I've heard of 10.0 in the past few days. What was so bad about 10.0? I thought it was a fairly decent release, the last really solid one before all the drama started with zen and beagle.
Somebody that mixed 10.0 and 10.1. I was using 10.0 until 10.2 came out. The 10.1 did not offer advantages to me that will compensate lousy package management, so it was first just another install laying around and then overwritten with 10.2 Alpha. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2008-05-06 at 23:54 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
No way. You can install KDE3 instead. Why don't you? If you are complaining about how the choices of desktop are presented when you install, this was discussed time ago in the factory list, and the decision was made. It was there and then when you people should have talked, not here and now. And remember that if kde4 has such big problems, that's mostly the kde people fault, not suse. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIIYOOtTMYHG2NR9URAvg3AJ4yEKb5lf23OBWm9TKcZte7fIKr5wCdEpXZ llVxL9O0odPp3sSnfQiT0Io= =uCds -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2008-05-06 at 23:54 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
No way.
You can install KDE3 instead. Why don't you?
If you are complaining about how the choices of desktop are presented when you install, this was discussed time ago in the factory list, and the decision was made. It was there and then when you people should have talked, not here and now.
And remember that if kde4 has such big problems, that's mostly the kde people fault, not suse.
I would beg to differ there at least partly KDE4 has got problems that make it still Alpha unstable BUT it is Suse that are PUSHING it down our throats by positioning the KDE4 choice in the position they have in the menu those that are not in the know of just how BAD KDE4 really is just accept the first choice install it then they are going to get hit by things that do not work are missing ect ect ect , The decission about the menu choices was made once again by Suse there was much deccent as i remember in that thread the bulk of which said NO to KDE4 as the first choice hey presto where is it now Alpha software as the first choice talk about playing into the hands of the M$ Corp windBloWs brigade ye gads Or is this allegance with M$ Corp now starting to show it's REAL COLOURS(spelt correctly btw) and the hidden agenda starting to leak thru the demise of suse to be replaced with windBloWs via the back door .. Pete .
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-05-07 at 15:45 +0100, peter nikolic wrote: ...
I would beg to differ there at least partly KDE4 has got problems that make it still Alpha unstable BUT it is Suse that are PUSHING it down our throats by positioning the KDE4 choice in the position they have in the menu those that are not in the know of just how BAD KDE4 really is just accept the first choice install it then they are going to get hit by things that do not work are missing ect ect ect , The decission about the menu choices was made once again by Suse there was much deccent as i remember in that thread the bulk of which said NO to KDE4 as the first choice hey presto where is it now Alpha software as the first choice talk about playing into the hands of the M$ Corp windBloWs brigade ye gads
Hold on right there. You may have a point in your argument, but the moment you start talking about microsoft, you loose the argument. I'm out, I'm not talking. Bye. :-/ - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIIcdStTMYHG2NR9URAvduAJ9+9onOxllpZz6gODkwYtKPluxmdgCfZpW2 S1/XVZl9lIpL307k/V7+sU8= =IrEO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2008-05-07 at 15:45 +0100, peter nikolic wrote:
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I would beg to differ there at least partly KDE4 has got problems that make it still Alpha unstable BUT it is Suse that are PUSHING it down our throats by positioning the KDE4 choice in the position they have in the menu those that are not in the know of just how BAD KDE4 really is just accept the first choice install it then they are going to get hit by things that do not work are missing ect ect ect , The decission about the menu choices was made once again by Suse there was much deccent as i remember in that thread the bulk of which said NO to KDE4 as the first choice hey presto where is it now Alpha software as the first choice talk about playing into the hands of the M$ Corp windBloWs brigade ye gads
Hold on right there.
You may have a point in your argument, but the moment you start talking about microsoft, you loose the argument. I'm out, I'm not talking. Bye. :-/
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Not pruned on purpose what do you mean i loose the argument by chickening out you by default loose out i KNOW i have a point Unfortunatley the M$ Corp comes into the equation for the simple reason that people are going to run a million miles the moment they find out how BAD KDE4 is . This is supposed to be A COMMUNITY Thing where are the decissions made by the community I'll tell you where swept under the Corperate rug . It's all very well saying hey he mentioned microslops i am outta here but that will get you no where it will not get suse any futher either we have a foe if you like to look at them that way ( i have another description i use myself that is not printable) and unless we get these issues sorted out we LOOSE I dislike M$ Corp i walked out of an IT job for the simple reason i got so totally hacked off with phone calls from people with windBloWs crashes expecting quick fixes that dont exist , Have you forgot that these is now a tie up between Suse-Novelle and M$ Corp the enemy is almost within runnig and hiding will get us zilch as will badly sorted distributions Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:47 AM, peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Have you forgot that these is now a tie up between Suse-Novelle and M$ Corp the enemy is almost within runnig and hiding will get us zilch as will badly sorted distributions
That seems a bit of a stretch. You are essentially saying (while maintaining plausible deniability) that Opensuse is pushing KDE4 so that Microsoft wins? To date, regardless of the hype, I really haven't seen any actual outcome of the MS/Novell pact other than driving the Samba developer out Novell's door. -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 May 2008, John Andersen wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:47 AM, peter nikolic
<p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Have you forgot that these is now a tie up between Suse-Novelle and M$ Corp the enemy is almost within runnig and hiding will get us zilch as will badly sorted distributions
That seems a bit of a stretch.
You are essentially saying (while maintaining plausible deniability) that Opensuse is pushing KDE4 so that Microsoft wins?
To date, regardless of the hype, I really haven't seen any actual outcome of the MS/Novell pact other than driving the Samba developer out Novell's door.
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If that is the way you want to put it yes ... whate other reason can you come up with for attempting to force a SUB STANDARD desktop on the people we are after all trying to prise away from M$ Corp If someone can prove beyond all doubt that is not the intention i may change my mind but the proof would have to be ABSOLUTE after the way certainb suse employees have railroaded things the way they want regardless of opinion what other conclusion is there .. Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM, peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
If that is the way you want to put it yes ... whate other reason can you come up with for attempting to force a SUB STANDARD desktop on the people we are after all trying to prise away from M$ Corp
Per other posts in this thread, all the desktops supported will be offered on an equal basis with no default. However, without warning that KDE4 is still beta (by any sane definition), people will see 3.5 and 4, and decide higher is better and get a really bad experience. It needs to have specific verbiage stating its still not fully functional, and until it is fully functional, it should strongly suggest installing 3.5 as well so that users can select their session at login and get back to fully functional again. -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-05-07 at 12:50 -0700, John Andersen wrote:
However, without warning that KDE4 is still beta (by any sane definition),
But it is the kde people who decide that, and it is not beta for them, afaik. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIIgx+tTMYHG2NR9URAmtKAJ9Ifvb8S8zWvVTfqnpnPuh1mFowGgCdHOyl 4e9nAp3UFWU5TpddcoPXctU= =fbKU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM, peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
If that is the way you want to put it yes ... whate other reason can you come up with for attempting to force a SUB STANDARD desktop on the people we are after all trying to prise away from M$ Corp
Per other posts in this thread, all the desktops supported will be offered on an equal basis with no default.
However, without warning that KDE4 is still beta (by any sane definition), people will see 3.5 and 4, and decide higher is better and get a really bad experience.
It needs to have specific verbiage stating its still not fully functional, and until it is fully functional, it should strongly suggest installing 3.5 as well so that users can select their session at login and get back to fully functional again.
It is not possible to select both desktops during installation process - I"ve tried. It's either one of the other..... One has to install the second option using Yast2 AFTER the installation has completed (and after your first login). Ciao. -- If you want to know what a man is like, take a look at how he treats his inferiors not his equals. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM, peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
If that is the way you want to put it yes ... whate other reason can you come up with for attempting to force a SUB STANDARD desktop on the people we are after all trying to prise away from M$ Corp
Per other posts in this thread, all the desktops supported will be offered on an equal basis with no default.
However, without warning that KDE4 is still beta (by any sane definition), people will see 3.5 and 4, and decide higher is better and get a really bad experience.
It needs to have specific verbiage stating its still not fully functional, and until it is fully functional, it should strongly suggest installing 3.5 as well so that users can select their session at login and get back to fully functional again.
It is not possible to select both desktops during installation process - I"ve tried. It's either one of the other..... One has to install the second option using Yast2 AFTER the installation has completed (and after your first login).
Further, 3.5.* and 4.0 DON'T play well together. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Basil Chupin wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM, peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
If that is the way you want to put it yes ... whate other reason can you come up with for attempting to force a SUB STANDARD desktop on the people we are after all trying to prise away from M$ Corp
It needs to have specific verbiage stating its still not fully functional, and until it is fully functional, it should strongly suggest installing 3.5 as well so that users can select their session at login and get back to fully functional again.
It is not possible to select both desktops during installation process - I"ve tried. It's either one of the other..... One has to install the second option using Yast2 AFTER the installation has completed (and after your first login).
You do not need to wait. Once you are presented with the options to install with the software you then choose to make changes to the packages selected to install. You then go to package groups and you can select all the groups. This includes all the desktops. So you do not have to wait for the install to complete. You just have to make the choice after the initial Decktop selection, at the package selection. Good Luck, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Basil Chupin wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:00 PM, peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
If that is the way you want to put it yes ... whate other reason can you come up with for attempting to force a SUB STANDARD desktop on the people we are after all trying to prise away from M$ Corp
It needs to have specific verbiage stating its still not fully functional, and until it is fully functional, it should strongly suggest installing 3.5 as well so that users can select their session at login and get back to fully functional again.
It is not possible to select both desktops during installation process - I"ve tried. It's either one of the other..... One has to install the second option using Yast2 AFTER the installation has completed (and after your first login).
You do not need to wait. Once you are presented with the options to install with the software you then choose to make changes to the packages selected to install. You then go to package groups and you can select all the groups. This includes all the desktops. So you do not have to wait for the install to complete. You just have to make the choice after the initial Decktop selection, at the package selection.
Ah, OK, of course. Forgot about this step. Ciao. -- If you want to know what a man is like, take a look at how he treats his inferiors not his equals. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:47 AM, peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Have you forgot that these is now a tie up between Suse-Novelle and M$ Corp the enemy is almost within runnig and hiding will get us zilch as will badly sorted distributions
That seems a bit of a stretch.
You are essentially saying (while maintaining plausible deniability) that Opensuse is pushing KDE4 so that Microsoft wins?
To date, regardless of the hype, I really haven't seen any actual outcome of the MS/Novell pact other than driving the Samba developer out Novell's door.
You mean Andrew ('Tridge') has been ousted?! When did this happen? Ciao. -- If you want to know what a man is like, take a look at how he treats his inferiors not his equals. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 09:25:01PM +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:47 AM, peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Have you forgot that these is now a tie up between Suse-Novelle and M$ Corp the enemy is almost within runnig and hiding will get us zilch as will badly sorted distributions
That seems a bit of a stretch.
You are essentially saying (while maintaining plausible deniability) that Opensuse is pushing KDE4 so that Microsoft wins?
To date, regardless of the hype, I really haven't seen any actual outcome of the MS/Novell pact other than driving the Samba developer out Novell's door.
You mean Andrew ('Tridge') has been ousted?!
Andrew Tridgell never worked for Novell. He might mean Jeremy Allison and Guenther Deschner. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 09:25:01PM +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:47 AM, peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
Have you forgot that these is now a tie up between Suse-Novelle and M$ Corp the enemy is almost within runnig and hiding will get us zilch as will badly sorted distributions
That seems a bit of a stretch.
You are essentially saying (while maintaining plausible deniability) that Opensuse is pushing KDE4 so that Microsoft wins?
To date, regardless of the hype, I really haven't seen any actual outcome of the MS/Novell pact other than driving the Samba developer out Novell's door.
You mean Andrew ('Tridge') has been ousted?!
Andrew Tridgell never worked for Novell.
He might mean Jeremy Allison and Guenther Deschner.
Ciao, Marcus
Thanks Marcus. Come to think of it, he works for IBM, I think. Ciao. -- If you want to know what a man is like, take a look at how he treats his inferiors not his equals. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Tuesday 2008-05-06 at 23:54 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
No way.
YES way!!
You can install KDE3 instead. Why don't you?
You didn't read what I wrote......this is from the Live CD.
If you are complaining about how the choices of desktop are presented when you install, this was discussed time ago in the factory list, and the decision was made. It was there and then when you people should have talked, not here and now.
I didn't complain about the install......I didn't install it.
And remember that if kde4 has such big problems, that's mostly the kde people fault, not suse.
That is true, but in also DOESN'T have to be the primary KDE for 11.0!! Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-05-07 at 12:51 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
No way.
YES way!!
No way the gold will be delayed because of that.
You can install KDE3 instead. Why don't you?
You didn't read what I wrote......this is from the Live CD.
Ah, ok, the live... dunno. In the "real" one you can choose the desktop, and there is no default one, as far as I know. You can request the devs to create a kde3 live, of course.
And remember that if kde4 has such big problems, that's mostly the kde people fault, not suse.
That is true, but in also DOESN'T have to be the primary KDE for 11.0!!
And it isn't. There is no primary desktop. You simply tested a live that contains only one of the available choices. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIIfnUtTMYHG2NR9URAlpEAKCZRK+2tFuigAhbJkRYhf6ZcXQ0uQCgla/Y XFIco5atOaGoFFB6SCfYXdU= =1aDg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2008-05-07 at 12:51 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
live CD I played with. I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June > 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" > until KDE 4.0 is solid and ALL features are present and there's NO > glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE > 3.*.
No way.
YES way!!
No way the gold will be delayed because of that.
That's TOO bad. :(
You can install KDE3 instead. Why don't you?
You didn't read what I wrote......this is from the Live CD.
Ah, ok, the live... dunno. In the "real" one you can choose the desktop, and there is no default one, as far as I know. You can request the devs to create a kde3 live, of course.
The only choice for d'l is with Gnome, which is brain dead IMHO, or KDE 4.0....live CDs that is.
And remember that if kde4 has such big problems, that's mostly the kde people fault, not suse.
That is true, but in also DOESN'T have to be the primary KDE for 11.0!!
And it isn't. There is no primary desktop.
Well, that isn't what those who've done installs have indicated. I am, however, VERY glad to hear that, as 4.0 WILL kill 11.0.
You simply tested a live that contains only one of the available choices.
As I said from the very beginning..........I don't have a spare box right now to dedicate to testing 11.0 or I would have done a DVD install. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 16:45 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
No way the gold will be delayed because of that.
That's TOO bad. :(
NO, what would be too bad is openSUSE 11.0 being delayed months because of a few problems with KDE 4.
The only choice for d'l is with Gnome, which is brain dead IMHO, or KDE 4.0....live CDs that is.
On the contrary, the brain-dead are those on the mailinglist who believe Microsoft is controlling the entire operation of openSUSE.
And remember that if kde4 has such big problems, that's mostly the kde people fault, not suse.
That is true, but in also DOESN'T have to be the primary KDE for 11.0!!
And it isn't. There is no primary desktop.
Well, that isn't what those who've done installs have indicated. I am, however, VERY glad to hear that, as 4.0 WILL kill 11.0.
openSUSE hasn't endorsed a specific desktop since 10.0. Just as it has been, you're given the option of KDE or GNOME. I do believe, also, that both KDE 3 and 4 will be offered. -- Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Public Mail <kevin.dupuy@opensuse.org> | Yo.media: 225-590-5961 Swift Change for a Green Future: Kat Swift for President www.VoteSwift.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 16:45 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
No way the gold will be delayed because of that. That's TOO bad. :(
NO, what would be too bad is openSUSE 11.0 being delayed months because of a few problems with KDE 4.
A "few"?!! Guess again!
The only choice for d'l is with Gnome, which is brain dead IMHO, or KDE 4.0....live CDs that is.
On the contrary, the brain-dead are those on the mailinglist who believe Microsoft is controlling the entire operation of openSUSE.
I have no idea how many have that view....I'm not one of them.
And remember that if kde4 has such big problems, that's mostly the kde people fault, not suse. That is true, but in also DOESN'T have to be the primary KDE for 11.0!! And it isn't. There is no primary desktop. Well, that isn't what those who've done installs have indicated. I am, however, VERY glad to hear that, as 4.0 WILL kill 11.0.
openSUSE hasn't endorsed a specific desktop since 10.0. Just as it has been, you're given the option of KDE or GNOME. I do believe, also, that both KDE 3 and 4 will be offered.
So we're told......the Live CD doesn't give one that choice....UNfortunately. I probably would be best to have a Live CD with KDE 3.5.* and make mention that it is the stable release. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
openSUSE hasn't endorsed a specific desktop since 10.0. Just as it has been, you're given the option of KDE or GNOME. I do believe, also, that both KDE 3 and 4 will be offered.
Respectfully disagree. In 10.0/10.1 an 10.2 I had a choice. In 10.3 I had a choice of KDE or GNOME; I am considering a change on distribution to one that allows me the non-desktop I want. ==John ffitch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jpff wrote:
openSUSE hasn't endorsed a specific desktop since 10.0. Just as it has been, you're given the option of KDE or GNOME. I do believe, also, that both KDE 3 and 4 will be offered.
Respectfully disagree. In 10.0/10.1 an 10.2 I had a choice. In 10.3 I had a choice of KDE or GNOME; I am considering a change on distribution to one that allows me the non-desktop I want. ==John ffitch
You still have a choice.... when choosing your installation software, choose custom installationa, and then in the upper left, where it says Patterns, make your overall selections in the box beneath it, and then, change Patterns to Package Groups, and choose EXACTLY what you want. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I did not have that choice with 10.3. I was offered a KDE disk or a GNOME disk, and that translated into the build. ==John ffitch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 8 May 2008, jpff wrote:-
I did not have that choice with 10.3. I was offered a KDE disk or a GNOME disk, and that translated into the build.
You were offered a larger choice than just a KDE or Gnome disc. There was also a DVD that you could have downloaded, and then you would have been able to choose from several different desktops. By choosing to only download a CD, you were the one that restricted the choice to either KDE or Gnome[0], not Novell/SUSE. [0] You could have picked the network install CD and installed using that. Then you would have had a bigger choice than someone using the DVD on it's own. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0b1 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I did install one system from the DVD -- it is still a mess. I did mention the multiple pango32 problem the other day. ==John ffitch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2008-05-08 at 09:25 +0100, jpff wrote:
I did not have that choice with 10.3. I was offered a KDE disk or a GNOME disk, and that translated into the build.
You choose to forget the DVD with all desktops. Or the network install. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIItNStTMYHG2NR9URAtHuAJ0X8u5FxONZfqRfcUPSrTP8hESo4ACeJ87j 0InWAgYkd/0cjYJNe1ZWZ6c= =m5eM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Sam Clemens wrote:-
You still have a choice.... when choosing your installation software, choose custom installationa, and then in the upper left, where it says Patterns, make your overall selections in the box beneath it, and then, change Patterns to Package Groups, and choose EXACTLY what you want.
That does rely on the user downloading the DVD instead of a CD[0]. Some people may choose not to, restricting themselves to using either the Gnome or KDE CDs. [0] Well, not really. They do have to know how to add additional repositories as installation sources right from the beginning but, once the OSS and non-OSS repositories are added, they can have the same choice as if they used the DVD. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0b1 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-05-07 at 16:45 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
You simply tested a live that contains only one of the available choices.
As I said from the very beginning..........I don't have a spare box right now to dedicate to testing 11.0 or I would have done a DVD install.
Me neither. I simply dedicate one of my many partitions to factory, and I don't have kde 4 on it (yet). I have kde 3 and gnome and others. You don't need a dedicated machine, just a multiboot one. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIIi9AtTMYHG2NR9URAn66AJwLu2qh9oLxtfgZI0UM2qw/Uc3YtQCdHLWd xTXy0ioDJ/A/SpSY20uOAUY= =+Ny0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Carlos E. R. wrote:-
The Wednesday 2008-05-07 at 16:45 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
You simply tested a live that contains only one of the available choices.
As I said from the very beginning..........I don't have a spare box right now to dedicate to testing 11.0 or I would have done a DVD install.
Me neither. I simply dedicate one of my many partitions to factory, and I don't have kde 4 on it (yet). I have kde 3 and gnome and others. You don't need a dedicated machine, just a multiboot one.
Virtual machines are almost as good as the real machine. Before getting hold of an old system[0] to use as a testing box just for 11.0, I was doing alpha testing on a virtual machine. I still do testing on the VM, but when problems arise, I check to see if it's reproducible on real hardware. [0] It's not really that old. I think it's possibly between two and four years old but it still does the job and, even though it's only got 256MB RAM, it's still usable. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0b1 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Fred A. Miller wrote:
Indhu Durai wrote:
Carlos, Thanks for the information.
I would like to test the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso (PPC image). Since IBM is restricted to use Torrent as client, i am unable to get the Opensuse-11-Beta2-DVD-ppc.iso.
Can anyone provide access to Opensus-11.2,ppc image that does not involve torrent client??
If you get it, only install it on a "spare" box or plan on cleaning the hard drive and going back to what you had loaded before. KDE 4.0 ISN'T anywhere near ready for prime time - way too many bugs and features missing like not being able to hide the taskbar.....based on the 64-bit live CD I played with.
Not only in the LIVE but, more importantly, in the real-mccoy, installed, B2 version :-( .
I fear that KDE 4.0 won't be ready for the June 16th release date. It would be MUCH better if 11.0 doesn't go "gold" until KDE 4.0 is solid
As far as I am concerned, it would be a DISASTER if it went with KDE4 in June.
and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
Fred
I am playing around with 11.0 B2 at the moment and the only thing of real interest which I can see is that zypper is now getting closer to the speed at which smart does things, for which people have to be thanked, but that is all. Oh, of course there is the latest kernel. After that there is little difference between 10.3 and 11.0 as far as I am concerned -- except in the negative direction because some of the KDE3 is now more KDE4 oriented, and that is a negative and not a positive :-( . Ciao. -- If you want to know what a man is like, take a look at how he treats his inferiors not his equals. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote: [snip]
As far as I am concerned, it would be a DISASTER if it went with KDE4 in June.
and ALL features are present and there's NO glitches with any of the software that anyone has been using under KDE 3.*.
Fred
I am playing around with 11.0 B2 at the moment and the only thing of real interest which I can see is that zypper is now getting closer to the speed at which smart does things, for which people have to be thanked, but that is all. Oh, of course there is the latest kernel. After that there is little difference between 10.3 and 11.0 as far as I am concerned -- except in the negative direction because some of the KDE3 is now more KDE4 oriented, and that is a negative and not a positive :-( .
And I HATE Gnome!! :( Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
[snip]
As far as I am concerned, it would be a DISASTER if it went with KDE4 in June.
And I HATE Gnome!! :(
Fred
-- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day!
I have tried 11b2 on the laptop Compaq Presario V5030 AMD Turion64 ATI graphics(yuk) rtl8139 network card and the inevitble Broadcom wirless and have had some strange to say the least happenings. 11b2 cant set the network up at all just refuses to get a gateway completely DHCP system with all other machines behaving perfectly (even a flippin windBlows machine whne pulgged into the network works instantly) The wirless thing i expect hassles with thats nothing new but now it gets weired if i run KDE3 it is ok as root or user, If i TRY to run KDE4 as root it will run once then never again and as a user it refuses point blank to run at all it gives no error reports in any of the logs , It is totally brain DEAD the ability to change the desktop to your likes is non existant this machine has 1.5Gb of ram with 256Mb on the vodeo card and the single time i can get KDE4 to run it is so SLOOWWWWWWWWWWWW i take a shower whilst waiting for a program to load even something small like Kmahjongg (KDE4 version) takes forever then try the same on KDE3 and bang it's there quick as you like . KDE4 will not be ready for the 11 release but the idiots in there ivory towers have a preset ajenda and they will not change they have got to try and release something that is worse than darn windBloWs Pista just so that the MS community dont feel threatened . The installition choices are ALL wrong we should hve KDE3 at the top then Gnome then with a warning that is still Alpha code and very unstable KDE4 Suse is a KDE distribution stick to it with a GOOD and WORKING version of KDE not an Alpha code or as has been said rename 11 to 10.4 and release 11 when there is a FULLY working STABLE FULLY FEATURED version of KDE4 to use I know there are people in suse that are going to get the hump about messages likr this it is known as tough . there are certain people within suse that need to learn a few manners some of the replies i have seen from within suse on this list are to say the least impolite and Germanic for want of a better description. I have been using suse since the early days and have always liked it but the way it is going now makes me wonder it really does . thats enought for now Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
peter nikolic wrote:
On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
[snip]
As far as I am concerned, it would be a DISASTER if it went with KDE4 in June.
And I HATE Gnome!! :(
Fred
-- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day!
I have tried 11b2 on the laptop Compaq Presario V5030 AMD Turion64 ATI graphics(yuk) rtl8139 network card and the inevitble Broadcom wirless and have had some strange to say the least happenings.
11b2 cant set the network up at all just refuses to get a gateway completely DHCP system with all other machines behaving perfectly (even a flippin windBlows machine whne pulgged into the network works instantly)
Yep.......it's been an old tiresome story. Some things out to change, but just don't.
The wirless thing i expect hassles with thats nothing new but now it gets weired if i run KDE3 it is ok as root or user, If i TRY to run KDE4 as root it will run once then never again and as a user it refuses point blank to run at all it gives no error reports in any of the logs , It is totally brain DEAD the ability to change the desktop to your likes is non existant this machine has 1.5Gb of ram with 256Mb on the vodeo card and the single time i can get KDE4 to run it is so SLOOWWWWWWWWWWWW i take a shower whilst waiting for a program to load even something small like Kmahjongg (KDE4 version) takes forever then try the same on KDE3 and bang it's there quick as you like .
Hmmmmmmmmmm.......something is really messed up. 'Shouldn't be slow.....at least the Live CD is fairly responsive.
KDE4 will not be ready for the 11 release but the idiots in there ivory towers have a preset ajenda and they will not change they have got to try and release something that is worse than darn windBloWs Pista just so that the MS community dont feel threatened .
I wondered what the reason was/is.....now we know. ;)
The installition choices are ALL wrong we should hve KDE3 at the top then Gnome then with a warning that is still Alpha code and very unstable KDE4 Suse is a KDE distribution stick to it with a GOOD and WORKING version of KDE not an Alpha code or as has been said rename 11 to 10.4 and release 11 when there is a FULLY working STABLE FULLY FEATURED version of KDE4 to use
Right!!!
I know there are people in suse that are going to get the hump about messages likr this it is known as tough . there are certain people within suse that need to learn a few manners some of the replies i have seen from within suse on this list are to say the least impolite and Germanic for want of a better description.
That is true as well........not frequent, but it happens.
I have been using suse since the early days and have always liked it but the way it is going now makes me wonder it really does.
We'll know soon enough. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Some of us (or at least one of us) hate Gnome and KDE. On 10.3 it imported much to much grunge for them (KDM for example) which I do not want. Am I correct that 11.0 is embedding these things even deeper? ==John ffitch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jpff wrote:
Some of us (or at least one of us) hate Gnome and KDE. On 10.3 it imported much to much grunge for them (KDM for example) which I do not want. Am I correct that 11.0 is embedding these things even deeper?
John, I've not installed 11.0 because I don't have a box here that I can afford to screw up. From running the Live CD, I'd say that is correct. Maybe you can get a more accurate comment. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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