[opensuse] openSUSE on 2 in 1 device
Hello, as my old ASUS Transformer Android tablet is slowly decaying, I'm thinking about its replacement. I'd prefer some "standard" device with x86_64 architecture which could serve as notebook and which would have detachable keyboard to work as tablet for reading etc. I don't wont Android anymore. So far I like Lenovo Miix 320 https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/windows-tablets/miix-series/-Miix-320/... HP X2 210 G2 https://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/hp-x2-210--1 ASUS Transformer Mini T102HA https://www.asus.com/2-in-1-PCs/ASUS-Transformer-Mini-T102HA/ Acer One 10 https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/series/acerone10 I'd prefer to buy it without Windows (impossible, I'm afraid) and use it only with Linux, preferable with openSUSE TW. Does anyone have some experience with this? Would anyone recommend different comparable device (up to ~450 €)? What are Your experiences with touch screen usability? I prefer KDE (Well, will it run on 4 GB RAM?), but I don't mind some another (I just don't like GNOME). I wonder how convenient is touchscreen on simple tasks like web browsing, reading, etc. More specifically, how do applications like Firefox LO Writer, Okular, etc. work on touchscreen? Does screen rotation work well? Last but not least, I'd prefer certain quality of construction - durability, display quality, etc. I don't wish any plastic crap which would break up easily. On the other hand, I don't care about sound or webcam. V. -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/
On 06/13/2018 06:32 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Hello, as my old ASUS Transformer Android tablet is slowly decaying, I'm thinking about its replacement. I'd prefer some "standard" device with x86_64 architecture which could serve as notebook and which would have detachable keyboard to work as tablet for reading etc. I don't wont Android anymore. So far I like Lenovo Miix 320 https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/tablets/windows-tablets/miix-series/-Miix-320/... HP X2 210 G2 https://store.hp.com/us/en/mdp/hp-x2-210--1 ASUS Transformer Mini T102HA https://www.asus.com/2-in-1-PCs/ASUS-Transformer-Mini-T102HA/ Acer One 10 https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/series/acerone10 I'd prefer to buy it without Windows (impossible, I'm afraid) and use it only with Linux, preferable with openSUSE TW. Does anyone have some experience with this? Would anyone recommend different comparable device (up to ~450 €)? What are Your experiences with touch screen usability? I prefer KDE (Well, will it run on 4 GB RAM?), but I don't mind some another (I just don't like GNOME). I wonder how convenient is touchscreen on simple tasks like web browsing, reading, etc. More specifically, how do applications like Firefox LO Writer, Okular, etc. work on touchscreen? Does screen rotation work well? Last but not least, I'd prefer certain quality of construction - durability, display quality, etc. I don't wish any plastic crap which would break up easily. On the other hand, I don't care about sound or webcam. V.
KDE works on 4 gig just fine. Of course more is better, but with today's prices of SSDs you can put swap on the SSD and set linux to swap MORE and not try to swap back in so quickly: vm.swappiness = 60 vm.vfs_cache_pressure = 50 The other machine you might look at, especially on the used market is any of the Microsoft Surface Pro machines. They really are good hardware, even if over priced. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done.
On 13/06/18 07:23 PM, John Andersen wrote:
The other machine you might look at, especially on the used market is any of the Microsoft Surface Pro machines. They really are good hardware, even if over priced.
I keep looking at them when I see 2nd hand at discount. Running them as a netbook rather than as a Windows machine makes them attractive. But a real Chromebook might be better https://cd-rw.org/t/i-dumped-my-surface-pro-3-for-a-cheap-chromebook/754 unless you want the excitement of converting Microsoft to something 'useful'. As for Linux ... I don't see a version of OpenSUSE on it. https://cd-rw.org/t/running-linux-on-the-surface-pro-3/175 -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne čtvrtek 14. června 2018 5:01:58 CEST, Anton Aylward napsal(a):
On 13/06/18 07:23 PM, John Andersen wrote:
The other machine you might look at, especially on the used market is any of the Microsoft Surface Pro machines. They really are good hardware, even if over priced.
I keep looking at them when I see 2nd hand at discount. Running them as a netbook rather than as a Windows machine makes them attractive. But a real Chromebook might be better https://cd-rw.org/t/i-dumped-my-surface-pro-3-for-a-cheap-chromebook/754 unless you want the excitement of converting Microsoft to something 'useful'.
I'd indeed prefer something more "useful", able to work as tablet as well as notebook. I tried to work with Chromebook and I strongly disliked the system. Total crap.
As for Linux ... I don't see a version of OpenSUSE on it. https://cd-rw.org/t/running-linux-on-the-surface-pro-3/175
Release notes on recent kernels speak about better support of Atom CPUs, so I suppose the installation is easier and easier... -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/
Den 2018-06-14 kl. 18:37, skrev Vojtěch Zeisek:
Dne čtvrtek 14. června 2018 5:01:58 CEST, Anton Aylward napsal(a):
On 13/06/18 07:23 PM, John Andersen wrote:
The other machine you might look at, especially on the used market is any of the Microsoft Surface Pro machines. They really are good hardware, even if over priced. I keep looking at them when I see 2nd hand at discount. Running them as a netbook rather than as a Windows machine makes them attractive. But a real Chromebook might be better https://cd-rw.org/t/i-dumped-my-surface-pro-3-for-a-cheap-chromebook/754 unless you want the excitement of converting Microsoft to something 'useful'. I'd indeed prefer something more "useful", able to work as tablet as well as notebook.
I own a Lenovo Yoga X1. It doubles as laptop and a tablet. It's crazy expensive compared to buying separate tablet and notebook/laptop. I actually started out writing an answer to your first mail but it came out as a rant so I decided it was just wining and a scratched it. Here is a somewhat more objective one. I tried to use it (two years ago) as a tablet for some month. It had it's shortcomings. It might be my inability to configure it. I spent some weeks figuring out how to rotate (had to wait for the right kernel to come along), use the active pen, scroll with double fingers etc. With my own rotate implementation I can get it to rotate automatically with the acceleration sensor. The active pen is usable sometimes. Two fingers scroll i didn't get to work. I have a handwriting program called Cellwriter installed. It's a bit cumbersome to train and use. But it works. As I said I do have my own implementation of some things. Mostly scripts but also a small daemon coded in C for the automatic rotation. I love to hear if someone has a one-stop-shop for tablet mode working on TW. Cheers,,
I tried to work with Chromebook and I strongly disliked the system. Total crap.
As for Linux ... I don't see a version of OpenSUSE on it. https://cd-rw.org/t/running-linux-on-the-surface-pro-3/175 Release notes on recent kernels speak about better support of Atom CPUs, so I suppose the installation is easier and easier...
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Dne pátek 15. června 2018 11:20:53 CEST, Bengt Gördén napsal(a):
Den 2018-06-14 kl. 18:37, skrev Vojtěch Zeisek:
Dne čtvrtek 14. června 2018 5:01:58 CEST, Anton Aylward napsal(a):
On 13/06/18 07:23 PM, John Andersen wrote:
The other machine you might look at, especially on the used market is any of the Microsoft Surface Pro machines. They really are good hardware, even if over priced.
I keep looking at them when I see 2nd hand at discount. Running them as a netbook rather than as a Windows machine makes them attractive. But a real Chromebook might be better https://cd-rw.org/t/i-dumped-my-surface-pro-3-for-a-cheap-chromebook/754 unless you want the excitement of converting Microsoft to something 'useful'.
I'd indeed prefer something more "useful", able to work as tablet as well as notebook.
I own a Lenovo Yoga X1. It doubles as laptop and a tablet. It's crazy expensive compared to buying separate tablet and notebook/laptop.
I don't like Yogas. IMHO the keyboard below most be terribly unpractical. I'd prefer something detachable. 10" screen.
I actually started out writing an answer to your first mail but it came out as a rant so I decided it was just wining and a scratched it.
Negative feedback like "Don't buy any of these craps" is also valuable. :-)
Here is a somewhat more objective one. I tried to use it (two years ago) as a tablet for some month. It had it's shortcomings. It might be my inability to configure it. I spent some weeks figuring out how to rotate (had to wait for the right kernel to come along), use the active pen, scroll with double fingers etc. With my own rotate implementation I can get it to rotate automatically with the acceleration sensor. The active pen is usable sometimes. Two fingers scroll i didn't get to work. I have a handwriting program called Cellwriter installed. It's a bit cumbersome to train and use. But it works.
As I said I do have my own implementation of some things. Mostly scripts but also a small daemon coded in C for the automatic rotation.
Are these modifications documented somewhere? Or do You think they are still needed with recent kernels?
I love to hear if someone has a one-stop-shop for tablet mode working on TW.
Exactly. -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/
On 15/06/18 05:20 AM, Bengt Gördén wrote:
I'd indeed prefer something more "useful", able to work as tablet as well as notebook.
I own a Lenovo Yoga X1. It doubles as laptop and a tablet. It's crazy expensive compared to buying separate tablet and notebook/laptop.
Well, yes there is that. As it happens, I use my wired house phone, my Samsung smartphone, my tablet, my PC and my laptop for separate and distinct roles. There is some overlap. I can read email on my smartphone and tablet as well as the PC & laptop, but I don't like the UI on the former two. I can do word processing and browsing on everything except the house phone but I prefer the bigger screen of the PC. The smartphone slips into my shirt pocket. It's charge lasts all day. The tablet slips into my larger jacket pocket and its charge seems to last a couple or three days. The laptop slips into my backpack and its charge seem to last half a day, perhaps. Obviously my PC and my wired phone aren't portable. I can carry spare batteries for my smartphone and my laptop. That's "CAN". I actually don't have them for the laptop as I do for the smartphone and my cameras. My tablet doesn't have a "user accessible" battery. There are good tablets out there 'cos they were designed as tablets. There are goo laptops out there 'cos they were designed as laptops. But is a laptop with a detachable screen running laptop software or tablet software? Yes, there is an overlap in the functions available on my portable devices, but that's not the point. They have separate roles. If you think you want a laptop with a screen that detaches and is used as a tablet instead of separate laptop and tablet then it is not merely about the price but about your work and work-flow. It may be cool but it may also be awkward. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne pátek 15. června 2018 17:05:12 CEST, Anton Aylward napsal(a):
On 15/06/18 05:20 AM, Bengt Gördén wrote:
I'd indeed prefer something more "useful", able to work as tablet as well as notebook.
I own a Lenovo Yoga X1. It doubles as laptop and a tablet. It's crazy expensive compared to buying separate tablet and notebook/laptop.
Well, yes there is that. As it happens, I use my wired house phone, my Samsung smartphone, my tablet, my PC and my laptop for separate and distinct roles.
There is some overlap. I can read email on my smartphone and tablet as well as the PC & laptop, but I don't like the UI on the former two. I can do word processing and browsing on everything except the house phone but I prefer the bigger screen of the PC.
Yes, but 1) I'd like to avoid too much devices and 2) I have problem to choose as I don't wish Android tablet anymore (especially because all the preinstalled bloatware, almost non-existing support, lots of limitations, etc.) and I don't know any available tablet with Sailfish OS or some normal Linux. I need to read in color (PDFs with colored graphs), but I don't know any color supporting (preferably e-ink) e-book reader (expect some experimental toys or basically Android tablets). For traveling I'd be fine with more standard netbook/ultrabook, but I do need some reading device and haveing both in one is tempting.
The smartphone slips into my shirt pocket. It's charge lasts all day. The tablet slips into my larger jacket pocket and its charge seems to last a couple or three days. The laptop slips into my backpack and its charge seem to last half a day, perhaps. Obviously my PC and my wired phone aren't portable.
I can carry spare batteries for my smartphone and my laptop. That's "CAN". I actually don't have them for the laptop as I do for the smartphone and my cameras. My tablet doesn't have a "user accessible" battery.
There are good tablets out there 'cos they were designed as tablets.
Which ones?
There are goo laptops out there 'cos they were designed as laptops. But is a laptop with a detachable screen running laptop software or tablet software?
KDE has mobile modes. The idea is to be able to switch UI behavior according to working as tablet or notebook. I think GNOME has something similar. I'm not sure how far the work is. Also, I'm not that complicated in reading requirements.
Yes, there is an overlap in the functions available on my portable devices, but that's not the point. They have separate roles.
Yes, but there is a room for merging.
If you think you want a laptop with a screen that detaches and is used as a tablet instead of separate laptop and tablet then it is not merely about the price but about your work and work-flow.
Yes.
It may be cool but it may also be awkward.
Given the driver problems with Atom devices... -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/
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