[opensuse] KDE question?
Hi, Can anybody give me a technical insight on 1. If the KDE that's included in OpenSUSE is a customized version than the standard KDE released from KDE.org? I have seen mentions in the internet relating to something about OpenSUSe maintaining its own KDE?!!!? 2. If its not customized than one can expect to get the KDE release from KDE.org and install it in ones current OpenSUSE installation. Right? 3. If its indeed customized, anybody has any technical overview/summary of the customizations done / areas customized? Regards, Mohammad -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mohammad Bhuyan wrote:
Hi,
Can anybody give me a technical insight on
Just one man's answers.
1. If the KDE that's included in OpenSUSE is a customized version than the standard KDE released from KDE.org? I have seen mentions in the internet relating to something about OpenSUSe maintaining its own KDE?!!!?
I don't believe it is a customized KDE. Yes, there are certain apps that get installed, and there is the special menu (which can be toggled to use the standard KDE menu). But that's about it, as far as I know.
2. If its not customized than one can expect to get the KDE release from KDE.org and install it in ones current OpenSUSE installation. Right?
No, it would be better if you got the one from a SUSE build source. An easy way to do this is to use YaST->Software Packages and change the Filter: to be Patterns, and pick the KDE Desktop and KDE Base systems. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ UNIX is user-friendly. It's just a bit picky about who its friends are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 22 May 2007, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
Mohammad Bhuyan wrote:
Hi,
Can anybody give me a technical insight on
Just one man's answers.
1. If the KDE that's included in OpenSUSE is a customized version than the standard KDE released from KDE.org? I have seen mentions in the internet relating to something about OpenSUSe maintaining its own KDE?!!!?
I don't believe it is a customized KDE. Yes, there are certain apps that get installed, and there is the special menu (which can be toggled to use the standard KDE menu). But that's about it, as far as I know.
2. If its not customized than one can expect to get the KDE release from KDE.org and install it in ones current OpenSUSE installation. Right?
No, it would be better if you got the one from a SUSE build source. An easy way to do this is to use YaST->Software Packages and change the Filter: to be Patterns, and pick the KDE Desktop and KDE Base systems. ========
Actually, I think you'll find that SuSE's KDE has been "touched" quite a bit by the SuSE developers. There are lots of differences, some noticeable, others not so, but several changes. Just take a look at another distro using KDE that uses the standard packages from kde.org and you should immediately see some differences. Also, take a look at SuSE's src.rpms to see what patches, etc. they do. You can install the kde.org files without expecting problems, but your best bet would be to continue with the SuSE builds, if you are satisfied with their changes and additions. Usually SuSE is pretty good at keeping abreast of the latest versions, but again, if you prefer to stay on the edge, KDE from kde.org won't kill ya! Too much that is. ;-) Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 22 May 2007, BandiPat said:
Actually, I think you'll find that SuSE's KDE has been "touched" quite a bit by the SuSE developers. There are lots of differences, some noticeable, others not so, but several changes. Just take a look at another distro using KDE that uses the standard packages from kde.org and you should immediately see some differences. Also, take a look at SuSE's src.rpms to see what patches, etc. they do.
Lee is right - we patch the kde.org tarballs extensively. SUSE does after all have more KDE developers than any other distro, AFAIK, and it would be a shame for us to have to play frozen-bubble all day. Some reasons for these changes are: *) adding changes from SVN branch since the kde.org release *) making our bugfixes available before the next kde.org release *) adding our features from before next kde.org release *) adding our branding *) adding features that aren't accepted upstream yet due to feature freezes, eg. the Kickoff menu, Beagle integration, or Novell GroupWise support *) making distro dependent integration changes that are out of the KDE project's scope, e.g desktop startup time fixes or improving Gnome app help support in khelpcenter Most of these changes are below the waterline and just make for a better user experience. Stephan Binner used to keep tabs on all the distro patches with a list at http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/distributor-patches but it is somewhat out of date - we had to shut him up somehow ;). I count 172 patches vs today's kdelibs3 and kdebase3 3.5.7 packages.
You can install the kde.org files without expecting problems, but your best bet would be to continue with the SuSE builds, if you are satisfied with their changes and additions. Usually SuSE is pretty good at keeping abreast of the latest versions,
Can you think of any exceptions? :)
but again, if you prefer to stay on the edge, KDE from kde.org won't kill ya! Too much that is. ;-)
I'd contend that just due to the bug fixes and branch changes, SUSE rpms are more current than the kde.org tarballs. Except maybe on days like yesterday [ http://dot.kde.org/1179831426/ ]. I hope that's of interest to you, Will -- Desktop Engineer 'K' Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Will Stephenson wrote:
Lee is right - we patch the kde.org tarballs extensively. SUSE does after all have more KDE developers than any other distro, AFAIK, and it would be a shame for us to have to play frozen-bubble all day.
And may I take this opportunity to say thanks for all the hard work put into KDE. You all make Linux something hard NOT to brag about. I really appreciate the quality added on, it has made for a pleasant user experience. So, to you Will, and Stephan, and the rest, THANKS! -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 23. May 2007 17:47:51 Will Stephenson wrote: > Some reasons for these changes are: + *) disabling obsolete stuff, like aRts is not used by the default install > Stephan Binner used to keep tabs on all the distro patches with a list at > http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/distributor-patches but it is somewhat out of > date - we had to shut him up somehow ;). I count 172 patches vs today's I added the openSUSE 10.2 patches. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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