Re: [opensuse] Adding biometric security to a computer
Am Donnerstag, 22. März 2007 14:21 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
The Thursday 2007-03-22 at 08:42 +0100, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Remember however, that biometric is never a replacement for a
Fingerprints can be forged/copied
Dunno about that, but they can be stolen, ie, the finger removed from it's owner... I don't like biometrics unless they can prove the owner is alive an undamaged (and make sure the bad guys know that and don't
What about eye iris scans? Someone can cut your fingers off but cutting your eyes off? I imagine that the gelatinous nature of eye matter would make it very hard if not impossible to remove the eye to hold it in front of a scanner for an accurate reading. Rich On Friday 23 March 2007 19:12, Michael Skiba wrote: password! try to
fool the system just in case) :-(
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Uhm.. we're talking about laptops, right? For private usage, to make it more difficult to get access to the "lost" files?! We're not talking about a military/scientific/top secret or something similar which is worth beeing killed for, right?
For the later thing I guess I'd prefer a gun next to my head make me reveal the password instead of getting my fingers cut, that's true :D
Best regardes Michael
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 24. März 2007 00:23 schrieb rich3800@netzero.net:
What about eye iris scans? Someone can cut your fingers off but cutting your eyes off? I imagine that the gelatinous nature of eye matter would make it very hard if not impossible to remove the eye to hold it in front of a scanner for an accurate reading.
Rich Well in the movie they always cut off the whole head then.. (dunno if it's working or not, anyway I'd prefer to stay with my head ;D ).
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 00:35 +0100, Michael Skiba wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. März 2007 00:23 schrieb rich3800@:
What about eye iris scans? Someone can cut your fingers off but cutting your eyes off? I imagine that the gelatinous nature of eye matter would make it very hard if not impossible to remove the eye to hold it in front of a scanner for an accurate reading.
Well in the movie they always cut off the whole head then.. (dunno if it's working or not, anyway I'd prefer to stay with my head ;D ).
Yah... The problem is not only using some body part that will not work if "removed", but making sure that the bad guys knows it will not work. You see, they may remove for eye or your head, only to find out it doesn't give them access - but you are none the better! Thus, I'm against biometric security. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBHa0tTMYHG2NR9URAhVaAJ99U6aef4Q2RxSizgokYo6rYgnv7wCgk6Zo H5lHRNtTOwlfz5celUnh734= =djhG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Friday 23 March 2007 19:54, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 00:35 +0100, Michael Skiba wrote:
Am Samstag, 24. März 2007 00:23 schrieb rich3800@:
What about eye iris scans? Someone can cut your fingers off but cutting your eyes off? I imagine that the gelatinous nature of eye matter would make it very hard if not impossible to remove the eye to hold it in front of a scanner for an accurate reading.
Well in the movie they always cut off the whole head then.. (dunno if it's working or not, anyway I'd prefer to stay with my head ;D ).
Yah...
The problem is not only using some body part that will not work if "removed", but making sure that the bad guys knows it will not work. You see, they may remove for eye or your head, only to find out it doesn't give them access - but you are none the better!
Thus, I'm against biometric security.
You bought the story? For one that is ready to kill, would be easier to force someone to give the money using a threat than to go long way to cut off body part and find the way to buypass security? The stories like this are useful for guys that would like to have money by stealing easy to guess passwords, and biometric will make their lives harder. It is easy apply and many of present "customers" will all of the sudden have strong authentication that is not easy to guess. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 09:19 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
Thus, I'm against biometric security.
You bought the story?
I'm seriously worried.
For one that is ready to kill, would be easier to force someone to give the money using a threat than to go long way to cut off body part and find the way to buypass security?
The stories like this are useful for guys that would like to have money by stealing easy to guess passwords, and biometric will make their lives harder. It is easy apply and many of present "customers" will all of the sudden have strong authentication that is not easy to guess.
Perhaps. It is similar to people not wanting their photo on their credit cards. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBUe9tTMYHG2NR9URAmWDAJ91TN0B+cqZp5fxl/UlXmwe02pWYgCfW64G 6f5vsg4n6Bx4IyUrTdhcnCo= =KfXV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 March 2007 10:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is similar to people not wanting their photo on their credit cards.
Is there reason not to have? -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 11:26 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 24 March 2007 10:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is similar to people not wanting their photo on their credit cards.
Is there reason not to have?
Yep. In my country, we have official ID cards, so the photo is not necessary. Plus, in a pinch, you can discard the card: the tugs can not find the owner and force him/her to give away the pin. For hold-ups. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBXKjtTMYHG2NR9URApozAKCILBdiOO+ephkFiSpRkYdpBs2g8ACeOsA9 OzLQfnP9yEYQI3dwxWIq60c= =C0GD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 11:26 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 24 March 2007 10:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is similar to people not wanting their photo on their credit cards.
Is there reason not to have?
Yep.
In my country, we have official ID cards, so the photo is not necessary. Plus, in a pinch, you can discard the card: the tugs can not find the owner and force him/her to give away the pin. For hold-ups.
Awe come on Carlos, how many times do they ask you to whip out your Official ID to prove you are Carlos when you stop in for a quick bite to eat of gas up the car? You can bet they would if the photo on the card didn't match your smiling visage. As for Finding you and forcing you, would it not be easier to just grab any Carlos, Juan, or Carlota off the street and force them to hand over their card AND their pin? After they force you, one call by you to the issuing company and the card and the pin is useless. This reason seems bogus to me. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 12:47 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
In my country, we have official ID cards, so the photo is not necessary. Plus, in a pinch, you can discard the card: the tugs can not find the owner and force him/her to give away the pin. For hold-ups.
Awe come on Carlos, how many times do they ask you to whip out your Official ID to prove you are Carlos when you stop in for a quick bite to eat of gas up the car?
Depends... some places have that policy, specially supermarkets. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBa9ntTMYHG2NR9URAmHHAJ9cj++LiXL77Fuf5PeaPdDm0OekWACgk1Ge qY/Yf+4GIx3J7mGWgQDRXPU= =tQ4j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 12:47 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
In my country, we have official ID cards, so the photo is not necessary. Plus, in a pinch, you can discard the card: the tugs can not find the owner and force him/her to give away the pin. For hold-ups.
Awe come on Carlos, how many times do they ask you to whip out your Official ID to prove you are Carlos when you stop in for a quick bite to eat of gas up the car?
Depends... some places have that policy, specially supermarkets.
Would they do that if your picture WAS on the card? It seems you like to make trouble for yourself.. ;-) -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 15:12 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Would they do that if your picture WAS on the card?
It seems you like to make trouble for yourself.. ;-)
I know... but it was a bank manager who told me the photo is dangerous. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBbQOtTMYHG2NR9URAl7FAJ9uwAYvjZiF2vP3pJiityqkDMg6gQCgmJ9O +v7FiYEjbryElkeyQpSLpL0= =nHok -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 March 2007 18:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 15:12 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Would they do that if your picture WAS on the card?
It seems you like to make trouble for yourself.. ;-)
I know... but it was a bank manager who told me the photo is dangerous.
I would change the bank, promptly. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 19:52 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
I know... but it was a bank manager who told me the photo is dangerous.
I would change the bank, promptly.
He is not my bank manager, but happens to be my friend, so I trust him. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBc13tTMYHG2NR9URAjrJAJ0ZG+oHc/xiGK50ASvZjVg85uIeSQCfUCFH 84w3u0rOzjwJOu7JVszjMj0= =XmHw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 19:52 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
I know... but it was a bank manager who told me the photo is dangerous.
I would change the bank, promptly.
He is not my bank manager, but happens to be my friend, so I trust him.
Then he would not be offended if you asked him to explain himself in more detail. Its odd that all banks offer this and encourage it and this bank manager seems to know of some undisclosed danger.... -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 17:19 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
I would change the bank, promptly.
He is not my bank manager, but happens to be my friend, so I trust him.
Then he would not be offended if you asked him to explain himself in more detail. Its odd that all banks offer this and encourage it and this bank manager seems to know of some undisclosed danger....
He explained it to me and I was convinced. But my memory doesn't remember the details, just the conclusion. There are advantages in having the photo there, but you have to remember that in my particular country we don't use credit cards as IDs, because we already have mandatory ID cards, so we use both together if necessary. On the other hand, his main point was that a tug can not identify the owner of a thrown away card just by looking at the printed photo. The fact is they are not very popular here. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBdfgtTMYHG2NR9URAie4AJ93KGmr6hw/IVLH6JWzc51Yb1d5AQCeMghN Fd4CGKTG781shdG94zD/qF0= =3h24 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On the other hand, his main point was that a tug can not identify the owner of a thrown away card just by looking at the printed photo.
And in other parts of the world, no own would think of throwing away a credit card, even an expired one without cutting it up and disposing of the pieces in different places. I guess that just shows how different things can be. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 18:04 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
And in other parts of the world, no own would think of throwing away a credit card, even an expired one without cutting it up and disposing of the pieces in different places.
I guess that just shows how different things can be.
No, you throw them away when you see a hold up comming, so that they can't force you to give up the pin. For instance :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBlSjtTMYHG2NR9URAuJqAKCDH7+LiVtZvQL0PUiKZ8l2YkZ5zACfUkuA azjHmlQHFcAiDvOzIVDVw/c= =8Pmg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 March 2007 12:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 18:04 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
And in other parts of the world, no own would think of throwing away a credit card, even an expired one without cutting it up and disposing of the pieces in different places.
I guess that just shows how different things can be.
No, you throw them away when you see a hold up comming, so that they can't force you to give up the pin. For instance :-)
The problem with that is that many times, all you need to buy with a credit card is the number, name of the holder, and expiration date, and all those can be found on the card Insane, I know -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-03-25 at 13:19 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
No, you throw them away when you see a hold up comming, so that they can't force you to give up the pin. For instance :-)
The problem with that is that many times, all you need to buy with a credit card is the number, name of the holder, and expiration date, and all those can be found on the card
Insane, I know
Yep. Unless the owner has time the same day to denounce the card loss to the company. By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGBoy7tTMYHG2NR9URAspBAJ9lavttRJsaqcF9z5BDQijS2SX+xwCeNQmF eGnnz46f4Go1oEmLYOG1D+c= =UeQk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2007-03-25 at 13:19 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
No, you throw them away when you see a hold up comming, so that they can't force you to give up the pin. For instance :-) The problem with that is that many times, all you need to buy with a credit card is the number, name of the holder, and expiration date, and all those can be found on the card
Insane, I know
Yep.
Unless the owner has time the same day to denounce the card loss to the company.
By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why.
Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and maintain.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-03-26 at 08:59 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote:
By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why.
Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and maintain.
No, not that. The accept credit card for business accounts they know previously, but never from private people. Ie, they do it on purpose. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGB598tTMYHG2NR9URAq1aAJ0dFkt8VfFDZsCDN35qZrWwJ3ggywCffbcK jdnrjCtSXVlat/GMM0CY6tw= =bkCD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-03-26 at 08:59 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote:
By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why.
Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and maintain.
No, not that. The accept credit card for business accounts they know previously, but never from private people.
As credit card transactions usually incur a charge (either directly or indirectly) for the recipient, which is why in the UK some smaller shops shops and businesses set a minimum transaction limit, below which they either decline the transaction, or apply a processing charge. Suspect the same applies elsewhere... It makes sense for a business to keep the regular customers happy.
Ie, they do it on purpose.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-03-26 at 19:09 +0100, G.T.Smith wrote:
No, not that. The accept credit card for business accounts they know previously, but never from private people. As credit card transactions usually incur a charge (either directly or indirectly) for the recipient, which is why in the UK some smaller shops shops and businesses set a minimum transaction limit, below which they either decline the transaction, or apply a processing charge. Suspect the same applies elsewhere...
No, that would be directly illegal in Spain. They can't apply extra charges nor different prices, nor reject the transaction once the have the sign "credit cards accepted" on the door. And if that were the reason, they would accept cards for larger purchases. My guess is that they have been bitten and don't trust the system. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGCHGQtTMYHG2NR9URAo4RAJ9hU5uy1wiKi/PDZzTJsZrvsEd3ZwCdE8qN u/kTRI4VIREftn48tIgcaOQ= =/Ede -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon 26 Mar 2007 07:59, G.T.Smith wrote:
Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and maintain.
- I do not understand the trader account machinery . . . maybe using PayPal can work good? .................. friendly greetings -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon 26 Mar 2007 07:59, G.T.Smith wrote:
Probably means that they do not have, or unable to get a credit card trader account, which apparently can be expensive to set up and maintain.
- I do not understand the trader account machinery . . . maybe using PayPal can work good?
To clarify, a credit card trader account is a credit account which allows you to accept payments from other credit cards or in some cases debit bank accounts (you need to hire or purchase equipment to process transactions). As banking practices and regulations differ in different parts of the world, exactly what you get and what it is called will vary. Then there are third parties that will process such transactions and transfer any proceeds to a bank account of your choice. These are different to a credit card trader accounts. Both effectively take a slice of the transaction, and may involve a standing charge. While paypal does perform the latter to some extent; it is limited, a bit dodgy on security, and personally negative thoughts involving 'touching with long barge poles' come to mind.
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friendly greetings
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 16:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
By the way... I know of at least one e-commerce institution that does not accept credit card payment from Internet. It has to be bank transfer, or postal payment on arrival (which is more expensive). I wonder why.
Either better laws protecting their interest of the cards vig is too much. Local donut shops charge extra fees to use ATM and try with the credit cards, though the latter is illegal. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2007-03-24 at 17:19 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Saturday 24 March 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 19:52 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
I know... but it was a bank manager who told me the photo is dangerous.
I would change the bank, promptly.
He is not my bank manager, but happens to be my friend, so I trust him.
Then he would not be offended if you asked him to explain himself in more detail. Its odd that all banks offer this and encourage it and this bank manager seems to know of some undisclosed danger....
It may well be easy to fake this form of document. In which case forcing one to present a hard to impossible to fake ID is better, IMO. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 March 2007 10:25, Mike McMullin wrote:
It may well be easy to fake this form of document. In which case forcing one to present a hard to impossible to fake ID is better, IMO.
Something hard to impossible to copy, can turn as a problem. Who can check with bare eye and little experience all the lines, seals, images and secret marks, as well as signs that someone tempered with real document? Only very few experts can do that. That is the point where "hard to impossible" to temper with becomes weak point in real life. The image on the credit card serves only one purpose, to make card lesser attractive for many thieves. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 17:39 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 25 March 2007 10:25, Mike McMullin wrote:
It may well be easy to fake this form of document. In which case forcing one to present a hard to impossible to fake ID is better, IMO.
Something hard to impossible to copy, can turn as a problem.
Who can check with bare eye and little experience all the lines, seals, images and secret marks, as well as signs that someone tempered with real document? Only very few experts can do that. That is the point where "hard to impossible" to temper with becomes weak point in real life.
The image on the credit card serves only one purpose, to make card lesser attractive for many thieves.
Current Canadian Birth Certificates have built in anti-forgery images, such that they become invalid when laminated. Of course you're talking to someone who blacked out his signature line on his credit cards so that the transaction has to be challenged by a valid g'ment photo ID card. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2007-03-24 19:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Saturday 2007-03-24 at 12:47 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
In my country, we have official ID cards, so the photo is not necessary. Plus, in a pinch, you can discard the card: the tugs can not find the owner and force him/her to give away the pin. For hold-ups.
Awe come on Carlos, how many times do they ask you to whip out your Official ID to prove you are Carlos when you stop in for a quick bite to eat of gas up the car?
Depends... some places have that policy, specially supermarkets.
Instead of a signature my credit cards all say PHOTO ID CHECK REQUIRED in the signature block. When I did that a few years ago I was surprised at how many clerks wouldn't ask. Since then, most businesses have changed their practices and now I'm surprised at the few that do not ask. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2007-03-24 at 11:26 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 24 March 2007 10:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is similar to people not wanting their photo on their credit cards.
Is there reason not to have?
Oddly enough, the customers wishes work as adequate reason. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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