Opps, I didn't mean to send my last post again, I really wanted to resend this message: An update on my woes. It seems what kills KDE is adding AA along with a child panel. It loads fine until I have both AA and a child panel at the same time. Then X crashes when KDE tries to launch Kicker at startup. Any ideas? Thanks, Tim -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm Christian Web Services Since 1996 tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ============== "AT&T: The pre-paid phone card. Jesus: The pre-paid life card."