I am accessing my isp's mail server via a Win98 system running wingate proxy server software. I can't figger out how to setup sendmail to properly send/receive mail. I've been using xfmail and netscape mail and that works fine using the following settings: mpt mail server name: wingate (name of the proxy machine) pop account name: user_name#isp_mail_server_name (# format needed for proxy) Is there a way to get sendmail to work through the proxy??? Gerry ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Gerry Doris <gdoris@shaw.wave.ca> Date: 27-Dec-98 Time: 10:03:35 "The lyf so short, the craft so long to learne" Chaucer ---------------------------------- - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Gerry Doris wrote:
I am accessing my isp's mail server via a Win98 system running wingate proxy server software. I can't figger out how to setup sendmail to properly send/receive mail.
I've been using xfmail and netscape mail and that works fine using the following settings:
smpt mail server name: wingate (name of the proxy machine) pop account name: user_name#isp_mail_server_name (# format needed for proxy)
Is there a way to get sendmail to work through the proxy???
At the risk of sounding a bit harsh - you're doing this all wrong! Set your Linux box up as the server/gateway and your Windows box as the client. Windows 9x was never meant to be a server platform, while Linux has always been just that. Windows doesn't multitask very well, performs very poorly as a router, has limited support for various essential server/gateway software, even more limited freeware (unless you've bought a licence for Wingate I'll bet you have a limited run-time demo which will expire in a month anyway). And so on and so on. You need to install IP Masquerading and firewalling on the Linux machine to do (better) what you are currently attempting with Wingate. This may require a kernel reconfiguration and recompilation. While you are at it you can set the compile as router option for better performance. As regards mail: on the Linux machine, set up imapd (just uncomment the relevant line in /etc/inetd.conf and do killall -HUP inetd) and set up Outlook on the Win98 client to point to an IMAP server on your Linux machine. You may need to run a mail delivery agent (like procmail or fetchmail) to deliver mail from the mail spool directory into your remote inbox. That way you can access your mail from either the Linux machine or the Windows machine. Moreover, imapd runs straight out of the box - there is no configuration to do. Use ~/Mail as your remote mail directory and ~/mbox as your remote inbox. Using this method you can use Netscape Messenger, pine and bog-standard 'mail' as mail clients on the Linux machine. If you try to continue with Win98 as the gateway, not only are you using an inferior method but you are also wasting your time - the experience won't be of much use to you in the future as hardly anyone else would try to do it that way. On the other hand if you follow the route I suggest, you'll be doing the same as a lot of people on this list (and on other lists too) and you won't be short of technical help. Good luck Ralph -- rclark@virgosolutions.demon.co.uk Ralph Clark, Virgo Solutions Ltd (UK) __ _ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ * Powerful * Flexible * Compatible * Reliable * / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / *Well Supported * Thousands of New Users Every Day* /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ The Cost Effective Choice - Linux Means Business! - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Well, I thought it would be too optimistic to think that I wouldn't get a reply like "you're doing it all wrong!"...get rid of Win98 and all your problems will go away. I'm not going into all the reasons that Win98 is being run on the gateway machine. It is and that's the way it must be for a number of reasons. I have had linux there and you're correct...it was easy to setup and it does work seamlessly. However, I've had to go back to Win98. Thanks for your reply (seriously). I know you only wanted to help me but I can't do what you suggest. Gerry On 27-Dec-98 Ralph Clark wrote:
Gerry Doris wrote:
I am accessing my isp's mail server via a Win98 system running wingate proxy server software. I can't figger out how to setup sendmail to properly send/receive mail.
I've been using xfmail and netscape mail and that works fine using the following settings:
smpt mail server name: wingate (name of the proxy machine) pop account name: user_name#isp_mail_server_name (# format needed for proxy)
Is there a way to get sendmail to work through the proxy???
At the risk of sounding a bit harsh - you're doing this all wrong!
Set your Linux box up as the server/gateway and your Windows box as the client. Windows 9x was never meant to be a server platform, while Linux has always been just that. Windows doesn't multitask very well, performs very poorly as a router, has limited support for various essential server/gateway software, even more limited freeware (unless you've bought a licence for Wingate I'll bet you have a limited run-time demo which will expire in a month anyway). And so on and so on.
You need to install IP Masquerading and firewalling on the Linux machine to do (better) what you are currently attempting with Wingate. This may require a kernel reconfiguration and recompilation. While you are at it you can set the compile as router option for better performance.
As regards mail: on the Linux machine, set up imapd (just uncomment the relevant line in /etc/inetd.conf and do killall -HUP inetd) and set up Outlook on the Win98 client to point to an IMAP server on your Linux machine. You may need to run a mail delivery agent (like procmail or fetchmail) to deliver mail from the mail spool directory into your remote inbox.
That way you can access your mail from either the Linux machine or the Windows machine. Moreover, imapd runs straight out of the box - there is no configuration to do.
Use ~/Mail as your remote mail directory and ~/mbox as your remote inbox. Using this method you can use Netscape Messenger, pine and bog-standard 'mail' as mail clients on the Linux machine.
If you try to continue with Win98 as the gateway, not only are you using an inferior method but you are also wasting your time - the experience won't be of much use to you in the future as hardly anyone else would try to do it that way. On the other hand if you follow the route I suggest, you'll be doing the same as a lot of people on this list (and on other lists too) and you won't be short of technical help.
Good luck
Ralph
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Sorry Gerry, I didn'y mean to come across like a rabid Microsoft hater (I am but I keep it under my hat). It was an argument based on right tools for the job. I don't decry the use of Win9x platforms as desktop clients, that's what they are for. Why on earth do you need to reverse the machines' roles like this? Anyway, _if_ your Wingate software is capable of acting as an SMTP proxy, you will need to: 1) set up Wingate to access your ISP's SMTP mail server - usually you just need to enter it's fully qualifed host name and let it default to port 25. 2) tell Wingate on which port it is to serve SMTP out to the LAN. The dialogue where this is done will usually supply a suitable default, so you only have to note down what it is, for later. the main thing is that it should be a port number which is not used by any other servicee, i.e. avoid 'well-known' service port numbers, especially 25. 3) set up the mail client machine (Linux in this case?) to use your Wingate proxy machine as the mail server, and configure it to look for SMTP on the port number served out by the Wingate software (which you noted down in step 2). Most proxy services work along similar lines, eg http proxies which usually serve out to port 8080 so you'll need to change port numbers on the client for a few things. On linux these assignments are made in /etc/services. Having edited it, it should be enough to do a killall -HUP inetd and then restart sendmail and any other individual demons which need to read a proxy service. If Wingate doesn't do inbound SMTP you should be able to do a smilar thing for mail collection with POP3 which is usually found on port 110. But you need the SMTP proxy to send mail out, unless Wingate allows LAN clients to access the remote mail server transparently, which I doubt. Hope this is of some help. Ralph Gerry Doris wrote:
Well, I thought it would be too optimistic to think that I wouldn't get a reply like "you're doing it all wrong!"...get rid of Win98 and all your problems will go away.
I'm not going into all the reasons that Win98 is being run on the gateway machine. It is and that's the way it must be for a number of reasons. I have had linux there and you're correct...it was easy to setup and it does work seamlessly. However, I've had to go back to Win98.
Thanks for your reply (seriously). I know you only wanted to help me but I can't do what you suggest.
Gerry
On 27-Dec-98 Ralph Clark wrote:
Gerry Doris wrote:
I am accessing my isp's mail server via a Win98 system running wingate proxy server software. I can't figger out how to setup sendmail to properly send/receive mail.
I've been using xfmail and netscape mail and that works fine using the following settings:
smpt mail server name: wingate (name of the proxy machine) pop account name: user_name#isp_mail_server_name (# format needed for proxy)
Is there a way to get sendmail to work through the proxy???
At the risk of sounding a bit harsh - you're doing this all wrong!
Set your Linux box up as the server/gateway and your Windows box as the client. Windows 9x was never meant to be a server platform, while Linux has always been just that. Windows doesn't multitask very well, performs very poorly as a router, has limited support for various essential server/gateway software, even more limited freeware (unless you've bought a licence for Wingate I'll bet you have a limited run-time demo which will expire in a month anyway). And so on and so on.
You need to install IP Masquerading and firewalling on the Linux machine to do (better) what you are currently attempting with Wingate. This may require a kernel reconfiguration and recompilation. While you are at it you can set the compile as router option for better performance.
As regards mail: on the Linux machine, set up imapd (just uncomment the relevant line in /etc/inetd.conf and do killall -HUP inetd) and set up Outlook on the Win98 client to point to an IMAP server on your Linux machine. You may need to run a mail delivery agent (like procmail or fetchmail) to deliver mail from the mail spool directory into your remote inbox.
That way you can access your mail from either the Linux machine or the Windows machine. Moreover, imapd runs straight out of the box - there is no configuration to do.
Use ~/Mail as your remote mail directory and ~/mbox as your remote inbox. Using this method you can use Netscape Messenger, pine and bog-standard 'mail' as mail clients on the Linux machine.
If you try to continue with Win98 as the gateway, not only are you using an inferior method but you are also wasting your time - the experience won't be of much use to you in the future as hardly anyone else would try to do it that way. On the other hand if you follow the route I suggest, you'll be doing the same as a lot of people on this list (and on other lists too) and you won't be short of technical help.
Good luck
Ralph
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Well, since you've asked twice now <g> I'll burden you with why I've wound up the way I have... 1. I have two systems: a relatively new 400Mhz P2 and an old tired but still serviceable 486/133Mhz system (shows you how often I get to upgrade!). 2. I also have a cable modem connection. I have never seen a 100bt connection for an isa machine. I'm not even sure that if one exists that the 486 could keep up. This has resulted in the 400 P2 becoming the gateway. The 400P2 has a 100bt card in it and an isa 10bt connection to the 486. Yes, the cable modem uses the 100bt as I downloaded StarOffice at an average speed of 250kbps using Netscape running under linux. 3. My kids (and I'll admit..me!) do play games. After I installed linux on the 400 P2 I was pestered to death to reboot win98 so they could play Myth, Starcraft, Independence War.... Everytime I brought up win98 I'd have to change all my settings on the linux 486 to use the proxy instead of ipmasq and then change them back later. 4. My wife is essentially computer illiterate. She has finally become somewhat comfortable with the win office suite but will not use SO or WP (I have the latest versions). The kids also use the win office suite for homework. Since they're always in a last minute rush to finish they have no interest in learning something new. 5. The version of the wingate proxy software that I have has performed flawlessly...and no, it will not expire at the end of the month. There's probably more reasons but I'm sure you get the drift. I have retired the 486 as a nice little linux system for me. I use it for a Hylafax server (both linux and win98), mail, news, irc, and a backup system for both boxes using ARKEIA (which backs up both linux and win9x). I've essentially admitted defeat on using the 400 P2 as a linux system too. Perhaps one day but not now. It got so bad that if I left the room for a beer it would be magically running win98 when I came back...and everyone swore that it was always running win98. I have been using smtp with Netscape and xfmail for mail on the 486. Both work just fine through the wingate proxy. However, I haven't found a way to run sendmail at all. There doesn't seem to be a way that I can find to configure it properly. I even bought the O'Reilly sendmail book but it's too much for me. Setting up sendmail is just an intellectual exercise. I just thought I'd have some fun and learn a little more about how to use it. I just didn't think it was going to have so much fun!!! Gerry On 28-Dec-98 Ralph Clark wrote:
Why on earth do you need to reverse the machines' roles like this?
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Anybody here used the applixware data portion of applixware suite ? Is it just a frnt end for sql ? How easy is it for basic data entry and one to meny data entry operations ? Is there any programing interface , if so what language / sysntax does it use ? Any one have the url for it ?? I cant find any detialed info on the data part of the package . Thanks Samy - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Gerry Doris wrote:
I've essentially admitted defeat on using the 400 P2 as a linux system too. Perhaps one day but not now. It got so bad that if I left the room for a beer it would be magically running win98 when I came back...and everyone swore that it was always running win98.
Life sure does get complicated doesn't it? I do apologise for making you feel you had to justify your position. I guess your story has taught me something anyway.
I have been using smtp with Netscape and xfmail for mail on the 486. Both work just fine through the wingate proxy. However, I haven't found a way to run sendmail at all. There doesn't seem to be a way that I can find to configure it properly. I even bought the O'Reilly sendmail book but it's too much for me.
I reckon the 'Bat Book' is only any use for full-time mail server administrators.
Setting up sendmail is just an intellectual exercise. I just thought I'd have some fun and learn a little more about how to use it. I just didn't think it was going to have so much fun!!!
And so is sendmail.cf. Maybe we should be looking at this new sendmail replacement from IBM... Have you already set up the proxy ports somewhat like I said in my last post on this thread, or are you explicitly telling Netscape to connect to a proxy? For this to work universally you need to do the proxy translation at a system-wide level like I suggested, and hide these shenanigans from the clients entirely (not all client software is proxy-enabled). In theory, _if_ your gateway software provides an SMTP proxy both ways then changing the default SMTP port number and defining the SMTP host where required as the gateway itself should be enough for sendmail's default configuration to work. Ralph -- rclark@virgosolutions.demon.co.uk Ralph Clark, Virgo Solutions Ltd (UK) __ _ / / (_)__ __ ____ __ * Powerful * Flexible * Compatible * Reliable * / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / *Well Supported * Thousands of New Users Every Day* /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ The Cost Effective Choice - Linux Means Business! - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archiv at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
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