[this is a longer eMail - if you don't like these, please go to the next message and don't report I should write less text. thanks a lot.] hi all, I have trouble with the beta3 (and I think it will happen with beta1 and beta2 also, but not tested) running on my main machine. I have allready reported it as bug (#113536), and Stefan Dirsch was so kind to try to help, but closed the report because I use a no longer suppurted combination if chpsets from nvidia for my graphic cards. but as I think there must be a better solution then a not running SUSE10, I ask there for help. please, read first the bugreport, so I don't need to write down the hole story again. you can find it at: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=113536 my review of it all in short: - I can accept that my combination of graphic cards looks 'exotic', but I don't think so because there are out a lot of people out there who use combinations of cards and chipsets that are on the "no longer supportet list" at http://www.suse.de/~sndirsch/nvidia-installer-HOWTO.html#19 - I can accept that there is hardware, that isn't longer supported (even it is "my" hardware ;) ) as I have allready written in my last commend at the bugreport: I can't accept that YAST / SAX2 brings the fresh installed system into a stage, where a "normal user" get SO confust. not all have a working XOrg.conf as I have (as written in the comment, I have just copied the Xorg.conf of my SUSE 9.3 that run on the same machine to the place in the beta10-installation). what will happen if a "normal user" with no skills (maybe coming from windows, maybe allready deletet it during install of SUSE ..) came to the point where the screens just get blinking as I've written in my bugreport: - he waits a short time, don't know what to do, and pressing the reset button. the new system will start, with wrong grapgic card as primary. hopefully he has this second monitor on so he will see that - if not, he will press the reset button again ( and again ?). when he knows what happend, he will see the login from KDE or GNOME, and trys to login. hurray, if the has used not only alphabethic and or nummeric letters, but also special character like #&%$ etc. because his keyboard is in US-mode, so hopefully he knows that AND knows where to find his keys. if not - hurray again, he can't login, a dead system. if he can login, he has no sound, bluetooth isn't detected if he has a adapter installed, the printer isn't working, and if he wants to look TV on his card - forget it. thats all detected at the last point from YAST where he pressed the reset button, so it isn't working all !!! and the graphic - terible, not ready for working !!! if he realy attemts the same that I have done (pressing return while the screens are blinking between the activity from his HDs), he will get to the login screen on the wrong monitor (is that 2. monitor running ? ), but with the right keyboard-layout, and after login he has sound, printer etc. anything is fine. he will came to the point to install the NVidia-driver, because on a time he will start YOU. hurray, because the system isn't able to warn him that he a) needs the kernel sources b) he use a combo of graphic cards that doen't work with with driver) c) he will kill the hole system, because the procedure will fail, and end mostly in a not propper starting system - blinking screens again. how should he knows what to do ? right. he ask someone. maybe he finds a way to get this older driver as Stefan has advisted on his machine - but he can't install it, because the missing text console !!! even all attempts with booting from CD and trying to repair will fail. will he know that he could boot from CD into rescue-mode, edit the Xorg.conf, and put the right parameter (witch one ???) into it ? I don't think so. so, here are my questions: for me: - is there a way to tell YAST via boot commandline after the first reboot that it should not try to detect my graphic cards ? (AutoYAST isn't a realy good recommendation because I didn't get that working because missing profiles - I have tested that already) - why runs my beta-system nice with the old Xorg.conf after changing the driver from "nvidia" to "nv" (without 3D-support that I don't must have even it would be nice) ? in all: - is it possible and usefull to put dialogs at all points in YAST that contain checkboxes ( for all the hardware-classes that YAST tryes to detect) so that the user can make a decision what should be autodetected and what not ? - should it be possible and usefull to have a sort of "blacklisted" hardware from witch YAST knows that it doen't work propper, or needs older driver to get a working system ? and that prefent the user to download a driver that is knowble to not work with the combo of hardware ? for the ending: I know that I just could buy some new graphic cards - but I think thats not a real solution on my / the problem. we have already discussed about the fact, that openSUSE should be the best choice to work with linux - esp. for newbies and the ones who came from windows. thanks for reading, and any commend & recommendation ! regards, JBScout PS: sorry again for a poor english ! and a long mail !