this MAY help some of you with SB PCI128 problems, i have yet to try SuSE's sugestions myself, but i HAD already installed the alsa and alsadrv updates, with the same results..... -- Donald G. Knecht Service Manager - Palatka office Hasty's Communications of FL, Inc. email:donk@hastys.net webmaster@hastys.net manager@hastys.net msspal@gbso.net