Anyone know if Mandrake 9, Red Hat 8 are any good?
Does anyone know if either of these have the same problems with Kernel Panic. I've had my daily kernel panic just now while composing a long email. The 9th time in the last couple weeks. I'm so tired of this. It's probably happened to me at least 30 times. It's worse than Windows. I just want to be able to work. Isn't that what I paid $80 for? Preston
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:21:49 -0800 (PST) Preston Crawford <prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
Does anyone know if either of these have the same problems with Kernel Panic. I've had my daily kernel panic just now while composing a long email. The 9th time in the last couple weeks. I'm so tired of this. It's probably happened to me at least 30 times. It's worse than Windows. I just want to be able to work. Isn't that what I paid $80 for?
Preston
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I had a dodgy memory stick that caused all manner of oddities no matter what Linux I used. Changed that and everything settled down. redHat is [personally speaking] a less than friendly distro and Mandrake is quite good but I voted with my plastic and chose Suse 8.1. My only problem is very little left to fiddle with. Try Sylpheed as a mail client, you may have an issue in that area. Steve.
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Steve Nicholls wrote:
redHat is [personally speaking] a less than friendly distro and Mandrake is quite good but I voted with my plastic and chose Suse 8.1.
My only problem is very little left to fiddle with.
Try Sylpheed as a mail client, you may have an issue in that area.
Steve.
How so? Pine can cause kernel panic? Preston
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:24:38 -0800 (PST) Preston Crawford <prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Steve Nicholls wrote:
redHat is [personally speaking] a less than friendly distro and Mandrake is quite good but I voted with my plastic and chose Suse 8.1.
My only problem is very little left to fiddle with.
Try Sylpheed as a mail client, you may have an issue in that area.
Steve.
How so? Pine can cause kernel panic?
Preston
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Did you upgrade or clean install? As for the mail client only a suggestion. Steve.
Preston Crawford wrote:
Does anyone know if either of these have the same problems with Kernel Panic. I've had my daily kernel panic just now while composing a long email. The 9th time in the last couple weeks. I'm so tired of this. It's probably happened to me at least 30 times. It's worse than Windows. I just want to be able to work. Isn't that what I paid $80 for?
in 99% of the cases stable kernel panic == hardware problem also in 90% of the cases hardware problem == RAM problem You have a lot of RAM. Did you add any of it lately? Have you run memtest86? -- Silviu Marin-Caea Systems Engineer Linux/Unix http://www.genesys.ro Phone +40723-267961
The 02.12.05 at 23:21, Preston Crawford wrote:
Does anyone know if either of these have the same problems with Kernel Panic. I've had my daily kernel panic just now while composing a long email. The 9th time in the last couple weeks. I'm so tired of this. It's probably happened to me at least 30 times. It's worse than Windows. I just want to be able to work. Isn't that what I paid $80 for?
There is a link at the bottom of the suse web page for the 8.1 product, something about APIC and VCPI: read it. In my case, the kernel panics (keyboard led blinking, HD led on) seem to have dissapeared after I added the option "barrier=none" to all my reiser partitions in /etc/fstab: /dev/hdb6 / reiserfs defaults,barrier=none 1 1 I must say I have had this problem since suse 7.3, but in 8.1 it was worse. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Preston, Kernel Panics are not a normal part of a well functioning Linux system - I've never seen one from SuSE 6.0 until now. So there is something fundamentally wrong with your system. Switching to another distro without examining the root cause isn't going to help you in the long run. You might find that if you switch, everything is fine, then you upgrade and the problem reappears - what are you going to do? Switch to another distro? Why don't you try posting some more information about your problem and see if someone can help you. If you have posted I apologise (I just searched on your name and didn't find anything in the last few weeks...) Regards, Jethro On Friday 06 December 2002 07:21, Preston Crawford wrote:
Does anyone know if either of these have the same problems with Kernel Panic. I've had my daily kernel panic just now while composing a long email. The 9th time in the last couple weeks. I'm so tired of this. It's probably happened to me at least 30 times. It's worse than Windows. I just want to be able to work. Isn't that what I paid $80 for?
Preston
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Jethro Cramp wrote:
Kernel Panics are not a normal part of a well functioning Linux system - I've never seen one from SuSE 6.0 until now. So there is something fundamentally wrong with your system.
They're a normal part of my system. And I'm not alone either as I understand it. But, of course, not everyone has the problem so there must be a solution. My wife's laptop (on which I also run SuSE 8.1) never has problems.
Switching to another distro without examining the root cause isn't going to help you in the long run. You might find that if you switch, everything is fine, then you upgrade and the problem reappears - what are you going to do? Switch to another distro?
Possibly. At least I won't be paying for the privelage of kernel panics. I had far less trouble with SuSE 8.0. Or Mandrake 8.1/8.2 for that matter.
Why don't you try posting some more information about your problem and see if someone can help you. If you have posted I apologise (I just searched on your name and didn't find anything in the last few weeks...)
Well, I posted around a month or so ago because I was having constant kernel panics. They died down for a while and now they're inexplicably back. My system is a self-built and configured as follows... Pentium III flip chip on an ASUS CUV4X motherboard 768 MB of SDRAM Radeon 7000 Soundblaster Live 27GB 7200 RPM Western Digital HD 20GB 5400 RPM Western Digital HD. HP IDE CDRW (8250i) DVD Drive (not sure what brand) Sandisk CF Reader USB Gravis Gamepad Pro USB The only thing consistent about the kernel panics is that I'm always playing OGG files off the 2nd hard drive (the 20 GB drive), which is HDB on my machine and used to store backups and OGGs. Thank goodness I do backup daily to CDRW since I crash constantly. Anyway, it's *possible* there's a problem with the 2nd drive or the controller or something in the kernel that doesn't like the 2nd drive. Not sure how to recreate a kernel panic, though, aside from taking that drive offline and running with just the 27GB, which will unfortunately be tight space-wise (which is why I got the 20GB). Keep in mind all of this worked great under SuSE 8.0. No problems. Same with Mandrake before it and even Win2k at one point. Preston
Alle 09:23, venerdì 6 dicembre 2002, Preston Crawford ha scritto:
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Jethro Cramp wrote:
Kernel Panics are not a normal part of a well functioning Linux system - I've never seen one from SuSE 6.0 until now. So there is something fundamentally wrong with your system.
They're a normal part of my system. And I'm not alone either as I understand it. But, of course, not everyone has the problem so there must be a solution. My wife's laptop (on which I also run SuSE 8.1) never has problems.
Have you already checked the sanity of your hardware? http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/hmeyer_memtest-sig11.html
The only thing consistent about the kernel panics is that I'm always playing OGG files off the 2nd hard drive (the 20 GB drive), which is HDB on my machine and used to store backups and OGGs. Thank goodness I do backup daily to CDRW since I crash constantly.
Maybe a problem with that hard drive? I had a problem with a hard disk, but I had logs filled with it. Nothing strange about that? Praise
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:23:31AM -0800, Preston Crawford wrote:
Anyway, it's *possible* there's a problem with the 2nd drive or the controller or something in the kernel that doesn't like the 2nd drive. space-wise (which is why I got the 20GB).
Have you tried the latest kernel update? It seems to address the multiple IDE disks problem. File: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.rpm Patchrpm: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.patch.rpm Version: 2.4.19 Size: 21380 kB Patchsize: 13772 kB Date: Wed 27 Nov 2002 03:25:58 AM CET Source: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.src.rpm Security: No ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Description: This kernel update fixes several problems that can result in crashes or other malfunctions, in particular if using ICP Vortex RAID controllers or multiple IDE disks. It is necessary to reboot after applying the patch in order for the changes to become effective. Regards, -Kastus
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka wrote:
Have you tried the latest kernel update? It seems to address the multiple IDE disks problem.
Interestingly I had TONS of problems under memtest86 with one of my RAM chips. I'm going to remove it and see how it goes. This is interesting to me, though. Is this part of the standard YOU updates. I update via YOU religiously, so I would have gotten it if it was. Preston
File: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.rpm Patchrpm: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.patch.rpm Version: 2.4.19 Size: 21380 kB Patchsize: 13772 kB Date: Wed 27 Nov 2002 03:25:58 AM CET Source: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.src.rpm Security: No ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Description: This kernel update fixes several problems that can result in crashes or other malfunctions, in particular if using ICP Vortex RAID controllers or multiple IDE disks. It is necessary to reboot after applying the patch in order for the changes to become effective.
Regards, -Kastus
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The 02.12.06 at 18:13, Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka wrote:
Have you tried the latest kernel update? It seems to address the multiple IDE disks problem.
File: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.rpm Patchrpm: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.patch.rpm
Where has that been announced? Not in You, not in the security announces list. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Op zaterdag 7 december 2002 15:14, schreef Carlos E. R.:
The 02.12.06 at 18:13, Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka wrote:
Have you tried the latest kernel update? It seems to address the multiple IDE disks problem.
File: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.rpm Patchrpm: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.patch.rpm
Where has that been announced?
Not in You, not in the security announces list.
Updates are being tracked here: http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms.html -- Richard
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Richard Bos wrote:
Updates are being tracked here: http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms.html
Thanks. I went ahead and applied that patch. Curious, though, because after I rebooted, I couldn't mount the second drive unless I removed the "defaults,barrier=none" that I'd put in the /etc/fstab entry earlier. I also replaced that bad RAM. I'm hoping now that it was caused by one or both of those problems. I'll keep everyone posted for the sake of those struggling like me now or in the future. So far, so good today. Preston
Preston Crawford <prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com> さんは書きました:
Well, I posted around a month or so ago because I was having constant kernel panics. They died down for a while and now they're inexplicably back. My system is a self-built and configured as follows...
Pentium III flip chip on an ASUS CUV4X motherboard 768 MB of SDRAM Radeon 7000 Soundblaster Live 27GB 7200 RPM Western Digital HD 20GB 5400 RPM Western Digital HD. HP IDE CDRW (8250i) DVD Drive (not sure what brand) Sandisk CF Reader USB Gravis Gamepad Pro USB
The only thing consistent about the kernel panics is that I'm always playing OGG files off the 2nd hard drive (the 20 GB drive), which is HDB on my machine and used to store backups and OGGs. Thank goodness I do backup daily to CDRW since I crash constantly.
This sounds *very* similar to the problem I had on my machine at home recently with SuSE 8.1. I have: - 2 IDE disks on the same controller: /dev/hda and /dev/hdb - CD-ROM on the other controller: /dev/hdc - ext3 file system on all partitions And I had immediate kernel panics when playing .avi files with mplayer off the second hard drive (/dev/hdb). Our kernel experts investigated this and found that it was caused by bugs in the "barrier patch" of the kernel. They made a kernel package with the "barrier patch" completely for me and my machine ran very stable with that kernel. Later they made a kernel with a fixed "barrier patch" which I am running now. My machine runs very stable with that latest test kernel as well. So I sugesst that you try the update kernel from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/8.1/rpm/i586/k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.patch.rpm ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/8.1/rpm/i586/k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.rpm ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/8.1/rpm/i586/k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586_de.info ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/8.1/rpm/i586/k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586_en.info k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586_en.info contains: k_deflt: The standard kernel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.rpm Patchrpm: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.i586.patch.rpm Version: 2.4.19 Size: 21380 kB Patchsize: 13772 kB Date: Wed 27 Nov 2002 03:25:58 AM CET Source: k_deflt-2.4.19-174.src.rpm Security: No ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Description: This kernel update fixes several problems that can result in crashes or other malfunctions, in particular if using ICP Vortex RAID controllers or multiple IDE disks. It is necessary to reboot after applying the patch in order for the changes to become effective. I just asked our kernel package maintainer, Hubert Mantel which kernel this is and he said that this is the one with the "barrier patch" completely removed. The one with the fixed "barrier patch" is not yet on FTP. When comparing your problem description to my experiences with my home machine, I think it is higly likely that the above update which is currently on the SuSE FTP server will work well for you. -- Mike Fabian <mfabian@suse.de> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。
On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Mike FABIAN wrote:
When comparing your problem description to my experiences with my home machine, I think it is higly likely that the above update which is currently on the SuSE FTP server will work well for you.
Thanks. I tried that a couple days ago. And I also found out I had some bad ram. I haven't crashed since then, so fingers crossed. Preson
The 02.12.09 at 11:33, Mike FABIAN wrote:
I just asked our kernel package maintainer, Hubert Mantel which kernel this is and he said that this is the one with the "barrier patch" completely removed. The one with the fixed "barrier patch" is not yet on FTP.
Do you know of any doc or site explaining what is this barrier stuff about? What it does, more or less? -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Also, one more note, I've tried passing various kernel messages. Here's what my grub string looks like currently. Keep in mind the "wrapping here" part isn't really in the file and it's all one line. Broken up here to be nice. kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 hdd=ide-scsi (wrapping here) max_scsi_luns=1 noapic acpi=off vga=791 So I'm passing to it all the messages that have been suggested elsewhere. Still no luck. Preston
On 12/06/2002 04:26 PM, Preston Crawford wrote:
kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 hdd=ide-scsi (wrapping here) max_scsi_luns=1 noapic acpi=off vga=791
IIRC, there was a message on this list some time back about a difference between 8.0 and 8.1 and acpi. I think in 8.0 the default was off, with 8.1 it was on. Try disableapic instead of noapic, acpi=pci instead of off. Sorry, not much help, but I believe somewhere there is the key. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Web Address: http://www.mydestiny.net/~joe_morris Registered Linux user 231871 God said, I AM that I AM. I say, by the grace of God, I am what I am.
On Friday 06 December 2002 10.12, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Try disableapic instead of noapic
As far as I can see, disableapic isn't a valid kernel parameter. grep -r disableapic /usr/src/linux/* gives no hits, but the same search for noapic does.
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 09:26, Preston Crawford wrote:
Also, one more note, I've tried passing various kernel messages. Here's what my grub string looks like currently.
Keep in mind the "wrapping here" part isn't really in the file and it's all one line. Broken up here to be nice.
kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 hdd=ide-scsi (wrapping here) max_scsi_luns=1 noapic acpi=off vga=791
So I'm passing to it all the messages that have been suggested elsewhere. Still no luck.
Preston
Hello, Presten: I experienced exactly the same problem and from this list I finally got the solutions: 1. If you can, move all your partitions to one hard disk. 2. If you are using reiserfs , Add this option to the line in /etc/fstab. For example, if by default it is "defaults", change it to "defaults,barrier=none". 3. If you are using Ext3 , try to install a 2.4.18 kernel from ftp.suse.com:/pub/people/mantel/test For more details, search with title "Random system freeze after YOU update" in the November archive of the list. Good luck! -- Yongtao Yang <yongtao.yang@telia.com>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 06 December 2002 04:26 am, Preston Crawford wrote:
Also, one more note, I've tried passing various kernel messages. Here's what my grub string looks like currently.
Keep in mind the "wrapping here" part isn't really in the file and it's all one line. Broken up here to be nice.
kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 hdd=ide-scsi (wrapping here) max_scsi_luns=1 noapic acpi=off vga=791
So I'm passing to it all the messages that have been suggested elsewhere. Still no luck.
Have you tried disabling DMA on your hard drives? Some drive/controller combos are not so stable. You could also try moving all of your oggs to the first drive and remove the second temporarily. - -- James Oakley Engineering - SolutionInc Ltd. joakley@solutioninc.com http://www.solutioninc.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE98LDS+FOexA3koIgRAhnDAJ0VOIRZ8V0ZNkg03+kbR5sWo28uGgCeOZAe txDia/VAt6S1a1qB1Y5FoTA= =voUt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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