So is Linux ready for Multimedia
Yes I suppose I am going to cause some flame....I guess I apologize for that.... Just getting so frustrated with all this GPL and Linux crap today that I HAVE to say this. I tried all GPL based crap today trying to convert DV video to divX video. None of the Linux tools worked for me. THe only one that did partially was mencoder (part of Mplayer). Nothing else worked including transcode (which requires rocket scientists to work with---and finally it would simply hang trying to do anything). I spent hours and hours with no luck. I also tried the GUI for transcode named dvd::rip which plainly SUCKED and generated a bunch of erros trying to run transcode. In the past I spent hours compiling transcode and mplayer from source and all the other million dependencies it requires. MEncoder has a bug which does not encode the video from the specified # of seconds into the input files. Yes you give it an option like -ss 140, but the output really does not start at 140 seconds.....rather its some random # that I could not figure out. As a result I start guessing a number like 100 seconds, encode 5 second video....then find out its not where I want...then I guess 125....still not right...then guess 155...not right and too far....so guess 145...you get the story. As a result it took hours trying to do something that would have taken minutes on Windows. I got frustrated with it so much that I finally rebooted into Windows ME....downloaded some shareware...and got the task done in minutes! Simply click mouse button to select the beginning .... then click to select the end of the clip..... Press a button and voila!! its done. No compile from source crap.....not resolving dependencies crap. It just works. All the GPL based crap for video processing is in very early stages and not usable. I am waiting for MainActor 5 and see how good that is. I suppose GPL does not compete in terms of quality with commercial based products. Authors of GPL based software start projects with greate enthusiasm....but then they get tired by version 0.3 or 0.4 and stop working on it. Then another person gets the idea....and instead of taking whats present to the next level starts another project from scratch and then by version 0.2 realizes that its a much bigger task than anticipated and stops working on it. As a result we get 10 products that all suck. I would rather see one video processing tool that works. I dont' want 10 that simply are crap compared to the Windows counterparts. A few more days like today will simply have me go to BestBuy and get Windows XP and say good bye to Linux for good. Salman
On Monday 31 March 2003 06:46, Salman Khilji wrote: <snip rant> Have a look at Cinelerra (http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3). Very powerful, very easy to use, and very supported. It's GPL, but I'm sure if you close your eyes and put a dandelion under your nose you can live with that.
On Sunday 30 March 2003 10:46 pm, Salman Khilji wrote:
Yes I suppose I am going to cause some flame....I guess I apologize for that....
Just getting so frustrated with all this GPL and Linux crap today that I HAVE to say this. I tried all GPL based crap today trying to convert DV video to divX video. None of the Linux tools worked for me. THe only one that did partially was mencoder (part of Mplayer). Nothing else worked including transcode (which requires rocket scientists to work with---and finally it would simply hang trying to do anything). I spent hours and hours with no luck. I also tried the GUI for transcode named dvd::rip which plainly SUCKED and generated a bunch of erros trying to run transcode. In the past I spent hours compiling transcode and mplayer from source and all the other million dependencies it requires.
MEncoder has a bug which does not encode the video from the specified # of seconds into ........... much clipped ..............................
Dear Salman, Have you tried writing to the MPlayer list-server? ========== mplayer-users@mplayerhq.hu =========== The developers are quite active and new releases come often. They have a lot of new users who need help; and those users do get help; usually quickly. Think of it as an opportunity to influance the shaping of MPLayer. Good Luck ................ PeterB -- -- Proud to be a SuSE Linux User since 5.2 --
On Mon, 2003-03-31 at 06:46, Salman Khilji wrote:
All the GPL based crap for video processing is in very early stages and not usable. I am waiting for MainActor 5 and see how good that is. I suppose GPL does not compete in terms of quality with commercial based products. Authors of GPL based software start projects with greate enthusiasm....but then they get tired by version 0.3 or 0.4 and stop working on it. Then another person gets the idea....and instead of taking whats present to the next level starts another project from scratch and then by version 0.2 realizes that its a much bigger task than anticipated and stops working on it. As a result we get 10 products that all suck. I would rather see one video processing tool that works. I dont' want 10 that simply are crap compared to the Windows counterparts.
I think you don't understand GPL software very well. Most GPL software are written by people in their free time. They have to work by day to earn some money to support the development systems they have at home and to get some food, so they can survive to write the software. GPL software are not written by people that magically have unlimited resources of money, food, hardware, bandwidth and time. The types of Freeware software for Windows that apparently work so well are normally a watered down or smaller version of a commercial program. Sometimes it is part of a commercial suite of programs. The freeware program use parts (dlls, etc) of the commercial suite. So, the commercial suite pays for the development of the Freeware. If you want to use and depend of GPL, you should invest in it. Invest some time and effort into it by communicating with the developers. Tell them what problems you have, what you would like to see in the software, etc. One of the reasons why GPL software comes to a halt, is because nobody seems to be interested in it. There is not very much feedback from teh community, so the developer stops spending time on it. So, before you bash GPL software, get involved and see if your problems are solved. Just my 1c -- Andre Truter Software Engineer Registered Linux user #185282 ICQ #40935899 AIM: trusoftzaf http://www.trusoft.za.net <-------------------------------------------------> < The box said: Requires Windows 95 or better... > < So I installed Linux > <-------------------------------------------------> Disclaimer and Confidentiality Warning This message is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are notified that any distribution, use of or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received the communication in error, please notify the sender immediately. The views and opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual sender of this message and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of ATIO. Consequently, ATIO does not accept responsibility for such views and opinions and this message should not be read as representing the views and opinions of ATIO without subsequent written confirmation. Each page attached hereto must also be read in conjunction with this disclaimer.
On Monday 31 March 2003 05:46, Salman Khilji wrote:
Yes I suppose I am going to cause some flame....I guess I apologize for that....
Congratulations! It worked! Here's a flame!
Just getting so frustrated with all this GPL and Linux crap
So write some of your own crap. Please don't post whining rants here.
today that I HAVE to say this. I tried all GPL based crap today trying to convert DV video to divX video. None of the Linux tools worked for me. THe only one that did partially was mencoder (part of Mplayer). Nothing else worked including transcode (which requires rocket scientists to work with---and finally it would simply hang trying to do anything). I spent hours and hours with no luck. I also tried the GUI for transcode named dvd::rip which plainly SUCKED and generated a bunch of erros trying to run transcode. In the past I spent hours compiling transcode and mplayer from source and all the other million dependencies it requires.
I suggest you get writing some code then.
MEncoder has a bug which does not encode the video from the specified # of seconds into the input files. Yes you give it an option like -ss 140, but the output really does not start at 140 seconds.....rather its some random # that I could not figure out. As a result I start guessing a number like 100 seconds, encode 5 second video....then find out its not where I want...then I guess 125....still not right...then guess 155...not right and too far....so guess 145...you get the story. As a result it took hours trying to do something that would have taken minutes on Windows.
I got frustrated with it so much that I finally rebooted into Windows ME....downloaded some shareware...and got the task done in minutes! Simply click mouse button to select the beginning .... then click to select the end of the clip..... Press a button and voila!! its done. No compile from source crap.....not resolving dependencies crap. It just works.
Great! Enjoy that - and stop venting here.
All the GPL based crap for video processing is in very early stages and not usable. I am waiting for MainActor 5 and see how good that is. I suppose GPL does not compete in terms of quality with commercial based products.
Your supposition is wrong. That's why Linux and BSD servers are the backbone of the web. However, as anyone interested in video formats knows, that particular area is hedged about with legal restrictions and patents, making progress difficult. Sorry no-one gave you a free editing suite, though. Next thing we know, you'll be asked to pay for the food you eat too.
Authors of GPL based software start projects with greate enthusiasm....but then they get tired by version 0.3 or 0.4 and stop working on it. Then another person gets the idea....and instead of taking whats present to the next level starts another project from scratch and then by version 0.2 realizes that its a much bigger task than anticipated and stops working on it. As a result we get 10 products that all suck. I would rather see one video processing tool that works. I dont' want 10 that simply are crap compared to the Windows counterparts.
A few more days like today will simply have me go to BestBuy and get Windows XP and say good bye to Linux for good.
If you promise to stop venting and whining here we will probably get up a subscription to buy you a copy.
Salman
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