David Porter wrote:

* Maurizio Firmani :

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this mailing list has reached an excellent traffic. I usually read the post in the evening. There are about 200 messages a day and I cannot read them all. I cannot be of any help and I cannot learn a lot because to read all the messages requires a couple of hours (I am not a native english speaker). The quick solution which comes to mind is to split this mailing list into two branch: one for beginners and one for advanced users.

I suggest reading subject headers and deleting the messages that do not appear of interest. No one is expected to be interested in all the messages. Obviously you do not want to read all the messages, or else you would not suggest fragmenting the group (where you would only subscribe to one half).

David

I support Davids suggestion. I do not think it's wise to split the list, what would be a "simple beginners question" and what an "advanced"? I started to decide subject or sender wether to read or not. Juergen PS: decision on sender is to read a thread I usually wouldn't, not dislike censorship -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

I concur. I would also add that of the several lists that I subscribe to, this seems to have the most discipline (stay on topic and have relevant topics) of any, even with 1-200 submissions a day. John Wittkamper :-) -----Original Message----- From: Don Hansford [mailto:donh@halenet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 1:12 PM To: SuSE Linux English Subject: Re: [SLE] Big traffic(split the list?) I tend to go with what we have now. (Could be old age making me into a super-conservative, who knows?). I find that the 120-200 emails I get per day give me a reasonable workload. I tend to read the first couple from a thread, then decide whether or not I am interested enough to read the following missives. Attempting to split the list would be like saying "we've got a really good racehorse here, let's cut his nuts out!" Sort of defeats the major purpose! One of the things that made me switch from FreeBSD to Linux in general, and SuSE in particular, was the breadth of topics covered in *this* list. FreeBSD list seem to be full of people who are really quick to dump on some poor newbie for asking a question. The attitude seems to stem from the fact that they have a "Newbies" list, and a "Propellor-heads"list, and Heaven help you if you post a query to the wrong list! The prop-heads get eceedingly upset with a question about setting up, say, a window manager. What still makes me laugh, is that they will use fifteen paragraphs to say why someone shouldn't ask his(her) question here, when three lines would have solved the problem for the poor guy (person ). Summary: Leave the list the way it is! Regards Don Hansford EckyTech Computing AUSTRALIA, Mate! -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

On Sat, 08 Jul 2000, Stephen Kao wrote:

Hi:

I talked to the owner of the list before and he told me there will be a digest version of the list (i.e. summy of all the E-mail message been send on that day) very soon. So the mail box will not be flooted with E-mail message.

I am on another list (or two) that does digests, and while that is a useful option, I have to say that it isn't a solution for anything. If this digest software works the same way as on that site, instead of 200 message a day a digest recipient will receive probably six to ten messages a day. The total content, however, will be unchanged. In addition, the digest recipient will find it *more* difficult to be selective about what to read. In general, people who prefer the digest tend to be people who read all (or almost all) the mail on the list. The other thing we'll get is messages with subjects like Re: Digest #3472 And occasionally some idiot will actually post a message which consists of a complete digest issue plus the words "Me too!" These are things you just live with, on lists that support digests. As it happens, on those other lists I opt for the digest, and like it; on this list, I won't choose it. (Partly because this list has approximately twice the volume of those other two lists combined, partly because here at home I have a much nicer mail client - kmail - than the one at work - GroupWise.) -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

hi alll justa bit of mathematics... on an avegrage , say the size of one mesg is 2000 bytes=2kb say, the number of message is at best 100, at worst 200 So i'm downloading a mail from my mbox 800 kb big. My isp will crash !! Also replying to a mail is a bit of a probz. I like the way it is right now.. as far as i'm concerned , if u split it up on subjects -- network, desktop, blah blah.. i'll subscribe to all of them. I dont know abt others Cheers cheedu -- Domain name : cheedu.dyndns.org Smile... Tomorrow will be worse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

* Bernd Felsche :

Perhaps SuSE could set up a mirrored news server so that we can use a newsreader to read the messages. I feel much more comfortable with a newsreader interface (nn) for such a volume of articles.

I'm not sure exactly what about news is more comfortable to you, but you might want to try mutt as a mail reader. It offers many features for dealing with mailing lists. It will display messages as threads, which you can collapse... It has scoring, aliases, mailing list reply features, etc... and it is highly configurable. Since you use Elm, the switch would be relatively painless because the layout and keybindings are based upon Elm. The look of mutt is also very similar to slrn (the news reader). -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 07:15:02PM -0400, eighteenrabbit@bright.net wrote:

You only need to load the archive when you want to do searches using its rather complete regular expression pattern matching. I have a K6-2@300Mhz, and a 20k message directory takes about 1 minute to load. Searching it all takes roughly 3 minutes (whole body search). Can you please tell me how do you search through bodys of the messages. I fail to see the right way.

Sasa

Besides that, I'd love any mail client that had key-bindings similar to vi's. (^^)

- hank

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David, Thank you for your response. I must admit I'm fully aware of that option. What I was refering at (at least in my mind ;) is searching through bodys of all the messages inside a mailbox with one command. Is that possible? Sasa On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 03:13:34AM -0600, David Porter wrote:

* Sasa Babic :

[on mutt]

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Can you please tell me how do you search through bodys of the messages. I fail to see the right way.

/searchword

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David Porter tapped away at the keyboard with:

* Bernd Felsche :

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Perhaps SuSE could set up a mirrored news server so that we can use a newsreader to read the messages. I feel much more comfortable with a newsreader interface (nn) for such a volume of articles.

I'm not sure exactly what about news is more comfortable to you, but you

It adds a couple of things which mailboxes won't do like deleting old messages. Otherwise mailboxes grow until you run out of money. I know of people who complain about their mail being slow. Usually they kept all their mail in the incoming file. On sites where I was sysadmin, they used to get truncated to zero length - never any complaints about data lost.

might want to try mutt as a mail reader. It offers many features for dealing with mailing lists. It will display messages as threads, which you can collapse... It has scoring, aliases, mailing list reply features, etc... and it is highly configurable.

The last bit scares me. Haven't ever used mutt. I'll look at it some time when I can get ahead of the work.

Since you use Elm, the switch would be relatively painless because the layout and keybindings are based upon Elm. The look of mutt is also very similar to slrn (the news reader).

Never used slrn. Didn't appear as terse as nn so I left it after a quick look. -- Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning Perth, Western Australia -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq

"Paul W. Abrahams" wrote:

Jon Pennington wrote:

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This has come up before, and it is not practical. The biggest appeal of this list is the broad range of people that subscribe; everyone from new (first-time) users to people like me who've been around Linux for a few years to a select few that have been using UNIX since before the PDP-7 was obsolete. If you break up the list, you lose the variety, and you lose the value.

Plus, there's no clear division line between beginners and advanced users, so messages of interest to one group might be lost to the other one. That's true for any division I can think of.

On the other hand, having a digest version of the list would make it easier to cope with the volume. The main disadvantage of that: it's awkward at best to reply to a message from a digest.

Paul Abrahams

I will pipe up here and vote for one list. Whilst the idea of more lists is appealing, I have been in the Mandrake camp from time to time, and pretty much the 'newbie' list consists of 'PLEASE HELP ME!!!!' messages, w/ pretty much the blind leading the blind. As a result, many subscribe to both the newbie AND the expert list, and crosspost in an effort to get _any_ help. Subsequently, you get questions in the 'expert' list of 'how do I compile a new kernel?' and whatnot. Better, but probably not what most people would consider 'expert' level topics. Most of the expert level stuff is now in the 'cooker' or development list, and people still intrude w/ pretty basic questions. (Note: FWIW, I might like to see maybe a read-only subscription available for whatever list the SuSE developers use (assuming it is in english ;) ) so us users can perhaps get a glance of what is in the works). Please take into account that I am by no means an 'expert' myself. I know enough to be dangerous, i.e. reasonable understanding of the fundamentals, have setup a few things, overcame a few hurdles, both on my own and with help, but still have a _long_ ways to go. I like the idea of one list since sometimes I can help someone out, ask a question or two myself, but still shadow more advanced discussions, all in the same list. Now if we start getting a lot of the aforementioned newbie messages, I reserve the right to change my vote ;) Monte __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq