[opensuse] Thunderbird : Incoming html e-mails, originating from MS source : dark matter
Hello List , - as recently observed . . . 'yes' , confirmed : - Strange behavour of Linux Thunderbird : Incoming html e-mails originating from MS source , are not visible in Thunderbird folder-view : - just dark-matter ............. regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/14/2015 09:20 AM, ellanios82 wrote:
Hello List ,
- as recently observed . . . 'yes' , confirmed :
- Strange behavour of Linux Thunderbird : Incoming html e-mails originating from MS source , are not visible in Thunderbird folder-view :
I have experienced this problem since Thunderbird 24.1. All earlier versions display html e-mail in folder-view without issue. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/14/2015 10:34 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/14/2015 09:20 AM, ellanios82 wrote:
Hello List ,
- as recently observed . . . 'yes' , confirmed :
- Strange behavour of Linux Thunderbird : Incoming html e-mails originating from MS source , are not visible in Thunderbird folder-view :
I have experienced this problem since Thunderbird 24.1. All earlier versions display html e-mail in folder-view without issue.
what does CTL U give you. What is Folder View. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/14/2015 09:39 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
what does CTL U give you.
What is Folder View.
Folder view is the 3-pane view with accounts/folders on the left, message list (top right) reading pane (bottom right) Ctrl+u shows the html contents. I can double-click the message to open it in its own window and view html just fine. So it is something that has effected what I consider the normal mail-view (or at least the way I've read mail for the past 25 years. (as soon as Mosaic was released in '89, there was a 3-pane mail viewer short behind ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On 08/14/2015 09:39 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
what does CTL U give you.
What is Folder View.
Folder view is the 3-pane view with accounts/folders on the left, message list (top right) reading pane (bottom right)
Ctrl+u shows the html contents. I can double-click the message to open it in its own window and view html just fine. So it is something that has effected what I consider the normal mail-view (or at least the way I've read mail for the past 25 years. (as soon as Mosaic was released in '89, there was a 3-pane mail viewer short behind ;-)
I use seamonkey mail client with the same view setup. Recently I found that certain messages are blank in the mail view pane. Only an embedded/attached images is shown but no text at all. This is not affected if I change view to original html, simple html, plain text and turn "display attachment inline" on or off. This occurs both in seamonkey 2.29 in oS 13.2 and semaonkey 2.22 in oS 12.2, so this is not a new thing. I don't know if this is the same or related to the OP. The same messages are shown correctly in claws-mail or alpine. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-08-15 11:28, Istvan Gabor wrote:
I don't know if this is the same or related to the OP.
No, his issue was a corrupted mail folder index. The symptom, clarified later, was that when the post was moved from Inbox to another folder, it disappeared from view: ie, not listed. Not that the contents of the email were not visible. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlXPNbAACgkQja8UbcUWM1wNtQD+O+tvQr0rRsFeuHjJMCxQyJLn FkyQmT+7TzH8LkU0s6MA/idfeLajr092OyoQiNpnNdKsYQH4mlSkf5hn1idaKQi5 =gU9Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On 2015-08-15 11:28, Istvan Gabor wrote:
I don't know if this is the same or related to the OP.
No, his issue was a corrupted mail folder index.
The symptom, clarified later, was that when the post was moved from Inbox to another folder, it disappeared from view: ie, not listed. Not that the contents of the email were not visible.
Then I will start a new thread for it. Thanks, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/14/2015 10:20 AM, ellanios82 wrote:
Hello List ,
- as recently observed . . . 'yes' , confirmed :
- Strange behavour of Linux Thunderbird : Incoming html e-mails originating from MS source , are not visible in Thunderbird folder-view :
- just dark-matter
.............
regards
Maybe you can explain this better with complete sentences and proper descriptions? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/14/2015 05:20 PM, ellanios82 wrote:
Hello List ,
- as recently observed . . . 'yes' , confirmed :
- Strange behavour of Linux Thunderbird : Incoming html e-mails originating from MS source , are not visible in Thunderbird folder-view :
- just dark-matter
.............
expanded experience : let us suppose that one receives in ones Inbox , a new html e-mail , originating from an MS Source : 1. one reads the e-mail 2. one copies that e-mail to an appropriate folder of saved e-mails 3. one deletes that e-mail from ones Inbox next : that MS Source html e-mail becomes Invisible : one cannot see it in Trash folder : one cannot see it in appropriate folder of saved e-mails ................... But : "Find ---> Search Messages" will succeed to locate the message ! ............. regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-08-14 17:14, ellanios82 wrote:
one cannot see it in appropriate folder of saved e-mails
That looks like a corrupted folder index. Recreate it (right click folder, properties, somewhere). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlXOCWsACgkQja8UbcUWM1xltAD/eyrS/YrvJPCV7wVQdk5IedYX Pk8m+8mTKG10tKFf9lYBAIFi/BDYX1MuoGm8NXQhZ+8DWiBqGSWE5Ws6OwfJF6Pf =LmpO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/14/2015 11:29 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-08-14 17:14, ellanios82 wrote:
one cannot see it in appropriate folder of saved e-mails That looks like a corrupted folder index. Recreate it (right click folder, properties, somewhere).
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
It is possible that the from header is being corrupted due to a MS failure to keep the mail headers standardized to the RFC but that is just a guess. If that is the case, recreating the index might not be helpful.
Carlos E. R.
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On 08/14/2015 12:15 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
It is possible that the from header is being corrupted due to a MS failure to keep the mail headers standardized to the RFC
Interesting. I've been getting email from people using odd tools on PCs and portables that comes in as html mail with no plain text part, again in violation of the RFCs. They tell me that there is no way their mailer _can_ send plain text; they tell me they've called product support and the product has no way to send plain text. Often the html is as bad if not worse than the Microsoft html mail. I suggest install a con-formant mailer like T'Bird or K-9 or Aquamail, but there is resistance. Why people want broken mailers ... Well, I recall that back when the original MAC came out there was the concern that the ability to alter fonts etc so easily would end up sending "kidnap paste-up" messages. And they did for a while. In my DatabaseOfDotSigQuotes cached from the random quote generator is HTML has followed nature's example... bright, sometimes flashing, colors are a sign of indigestiblility. And yes there are still many sites like that. Oh, and the "unreadable small on black" class as well. Why? Why do people fly in the face of good, well established, well proven communication design principles? Some of these HTML people are fanatics with outrageous and irrational justification for using these flashy messages. it s a religious fervour. *sigh* http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://archive.birdhouse.org/etc/evilmail.html http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/it-security/a-practical-example-of-why-html... And this is brilliant: http://www.zeldman.com/2007/06/08/e-mail-is-not-a-platform-for-design/ I'd really like to quote it to you, but I'd have to quote its entirety! its so totally apropos! Its pretty easy to globally set plain text in T'Bird. Its also pretty easy to set up exceptions if specific correspondent need that. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-08-15 14:03, Anton Aylward wrote:
Interesting. I've been getting email from people using odd tools on PCs and portables that comes in as html mail with no plain text part, again in violation of the RFCs.
No, that's not a violation of the rules. For instance, Thunderbird does this if you ask: it is an option in a prominent menu since more than a decade. I receive commercial (and wanted) mail from businesses on which the text part just gives a link to a web page to see the full text, assuming that you can not see the html part of the same email. They do not even try to convert the html part to plain text. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlXPORIACgkQja8UbcUWM1yMjwD/QFB/z6l9jknmX7ueNFXYKmCv XNjGzoiYSmcrZJZwZmwA/RuNiaSakTbApdkAsSmh+ByiuQjWJBqfd21W2eZ4PoSi =bkAJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-08-15 15:05 (UTC+0200):
On 2015-08-15 14:03, Anton Aylward wrote:
Interesting. I've been getting email from people using odd tools on PCs and portables that comes in as html mail with no plain text part, again in violation of the RFCs.
No, that's not a violation of the rules.
It should be. All recent email from eBay has been free of content in part one, and there's no competent way to complain about it. The contact us part of its web site has no selection covering broken web pages or email, and calling about the problem is an exercise in futility trying to talk about any RFC or "parts" with someone whose native language is not English. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-08-15 17:06, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2015-08-15 15:05 (UTC+0200):
No, that's not a violation of the rules.
It should be.
But it is not.
All recent email from eBay has been free of content in part one, and there's no competent way to complain about it. The contact us part of its web site has no selection covering broken web pages or email, and calling about the problem is an exercise in futility trying to talk about any RFC or "parts" with someone whose native language is not English.
No, the language has to be windomese :-P They are intentionally sending email that way, so you can not talk them into changing. It is futile. Keep your anger for battles where you have a chance ;-p - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlXPdxsACgkQja8UbcUWM1xEDAEAnzi8q+MY3QYP1h+D7Q4f1fYg dk/FlO1ibIQuD7I4HL4A/j3ifwrU7VQg1nnE7LSD79Yec/ZXGd3Ngnx9XSx+Kjl4 =mced -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/14/2015 06:29 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 2015-08-14 17:14, ellanios82 wrote: > >> one cannot see it in appropriate folder of saved e-mails > That looks like a corrupted folder index. Recreate it (right click > folder, properties, somewhere). > > - -- - Thanks Carlos . . . that is it ! .............. regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
ellanios82 wrote:
Hello List ,
- as recently observed . . . 'yes' , confirmed :
- Strange behavour of Linux Thunderbird : Incoming html e-mails originating from MS source , are not visible in Thunderbird folder-view :
- just dark-matter
Did you see this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2015-08/msg00001.html .... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Anton Aylward
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Carlos E. R.
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David C. Rankin
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ellanios82
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Felix Miata
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Istvan Gabor
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Linda Walsh
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Ruben Safir