Re: Heads up: removing the mkinitrd wrapper
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-30 18:42, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or, copy the old script to /usr/local/sbin, unless that is not advisable.
Or - oh horror - move with the times.
I think I'm entitled to be recognized as an old fart by now :-p
I'm sure you are, but does that prevent you from moving with the times?
I still think the main point is that you don't actually dabble with building initrds yourself, you are happy to follow instructions to do so, when needed. In the future, no one is going to direct you to run mkinitrd, so what is the point of having an alias.
Per,
You may have read from me and Andrei the multiples scenarios in which people have to run mkinitrd manually. I have been in most of them.
No, I have totally missed that. I thought you were talking about having to create initrds manually. For the last couple of years, I have not been in a single situation where I _had_ to run mkinitrd. dracut was very useful though. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
Am 30.03.23 um 19:40 schrieb Per Jessen:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-30 18:42, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or, copy the old script to /usr/local/sbin, unless that is not advisable.
Or - oh horror - move with the times.
I think I'm entitled to be recognized as an old fart by now :-p
I'm sure you are, but does that prevent you from moving with the times?
I still think the main point is that you don't actually dabble with building initrds yourself, you are happy to follow instructions to do so, when needed. In the future, no one is going to direct you to run mkinitrd, so what is the point of having an alias.
Per,
You may have read from me and Andrei the multiples scenarios in which people have to run mkinitrd manually. I have been in most of them.
No, I have totally missed that. I thought you were talking about having to create initrds manually. For the last couple of years, I have not been in a single situation where I _had_ to run mkinitrd. dracut was very useful though.
well i am now over 52 years old, and one of my favorite sentence (trying to bring it to english) there is a lot of new development, but very seldom there is something developed what is better than the old stuff. in german: es wird viel neues entwickelt, aber selten was besseres. simoN -- www.becherer.de ----------------------------------------------- - Das ist die vorlaeufig endgueltige Version! - Herbert C. Maier Dipl.-Ing. (FH) -----------------------------------------------
Simon Becherer wrote:
well i am now over 52 years old, and one of my favorite sentence (trying to bring it to english) there is a lot of new development, but very seldom there is something developed what is better than the old stuff.
in german: es wird viel neues entwickelt, aber selten was besseres.
Jöh, ist wohl nicht ganz falsch, aber zwischendurch gibts dann doch etwas vernünftiges :-) dracut has been around since openSUSE 12.x I think - I think it came along with systemd. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
Per Jessen wrote:
dracut has been around since openSUSE 12.x I think - I think it came along with systemd.
I hit enter too soo - I wanted to add, istr not being too fond of mkinitrd being replaced at the time, but it was 10+ years ago. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-30 20:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
dracut has been around since openSUSE 12.x I think - I think it came along with systemd.
I hit enter too soo - I wanted to add, istr not being too fond of mkinitrd being replaced at the time, but it was 10+ years ago.
But it wasn't really replaced. Ok, it run something else behind the skin, so what? It worked the same as before. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-30 20:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
dracut has been around since openSUSE 12.x I think - I think it came along with systemd.
I hit enter too soo - I wanted to add, istr not being too fond of mkinitrd being replaced at the time, but it was 10+ years ago.
But it wasn't really replaced.
Okay, maybe I used the wrong word - superseded might be more appropriate. At the time we had long had "mkinitrd", a SUSE tool written by SUSE people (Hannes etc). Along comes "dracut" which seemed to me to be mostly "old wine on new bottles". It matched the saying Simon posted yesterday.
Ok, it run something else behind the skin, so what? It worked the same as before.
The compatibility wrapper came later, after development of mkinitrd stopped. I'm not sure when that happened - I have a 13.1 system here, mkinitrd has not yet been turned into a wrapper-only. Anyway, all I am saying is that I wasn't too fond of dracut, at the time. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes
On 2023-03-31 08:57, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-30 20:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
dracut has been around since openSUSE 12.x I think - I think it came along with systemd.
I hit enter too soo - I wanted to add, istr not being too fond of mkinitrd being replaced at the time, but it was 10+ years ago.
But it wasn't really replaced.
Okay, maybe I used the wrong word - superseded might be more appropriate. At the time we had long had "mkinitrd", a SUSE tool written by SUSE people (Hannes etc). Along comes "dracut" which seemed to me to be mostly "old wine on new bottles". It matched the saying Simon posted yesterday.
Ok, it run something else behind the skin, so what? It worked the same as before.
The compatibility wrapper came later, after development of mkinitrd stopped. I'm not sure when that happened - I have a 13.1 system here, mkinitrd has not yet been turned into a wrapper-only.
All the years I continued using mkinitrd, non stop. At no time had I to touch dracut. However it was done, I don't remember.
Anyway, all I am saying is that I wasn't too fond of dracut, at the time.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [03-31-23 13:27]:
On 2023-03-31 08:57, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-30 20:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
dracut has been around since openSUSE 12.x I think - I think it came along with systemd.
I hit enter too soo - I wanted to add, istr not being too fond of mkinitrd being replaced at the time, but it was 10+ years ago.
But it wasn't really replaced.
Okay, maybe I used the wrong word - superseded might be more appropriate. At the time we had long had "mkinitrd", a SUSE tool written by SUSE people (Hannes etc). Along comes "dracut" which seemed to me to be mostly "old wine on new bottles". It matched the saying Simon posted yesterday.
Ok, it run something else behind the skin, so what? It worked the same as before.
The compatibility wrapper came later, after development of mkinitrd stopped. I'm not sure when that happened - I have a 13.1 system here, mkinitrd has not yet been turned into a wrapper-only.
All the years I continued using mkinitrd, non stop. At no time had I to touch dracut. However it was done, I don't remember.
Anyway, all I am saying is that I wasn't too fond of dracut, at the time.
it is water under the bridge, done, gone. there is no benefit in beating it to death .... ! I could purchase a bottle of Coca Cola for us$0.05 in 1955, but no longer. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2023-03-31 14:35 (UTC-0400):
I could purchase a bottle of Coca Cola for us$0.05 in 1955, but no longer.
Only 6.5oz at year's start. That's the year 10oz & 12oz sizes debuted. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> [03-31-23 15:02]:
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2023-03-31 14:35 (UTC-0400):
I could purchase a bottle of Coca Cola for us$0.05 in 1955, but no longer.
Only 6.5oz at year's start. That's the year 10oz & 12oz sizes debuted.
and they had the bottler's city imprinted on the bottom of the glass bottle :) -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 15:58:28 -0400 Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> [03-31-23 15:02]:
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2023-03-31 14:35 (UTC-0400):
I could purchase a bottle of Coca Cola for us$0.05 in 1955, but no longer.
Only 6.5oz at year's start. That's the year 10oz & 12oz sizes debuted.
and they had the bottler's city imprinted on the bottom of the glass bottle :)
Over here and a while ago, if you drank Heineken from cans it was wise to check for the letters CM in the batch number on the can and avoid those cans. CM stands for Cymru Magor, the name of the brewery, and it was computer-controlled with software written by 'us'. There was some bug with the acid flushing of pipes ... :P
On 2023-03-30 19:40, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-03-30 18:42, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Or, copy the old script to /usr/local/sbin, unless that is not advisable.
Or - oh horror - move with the times.
I think I'm entitled to be recognized as an old fart by now :-p
I'm sure you are, but does that prevent you from moving with the times?
Yes. Unless there is a real need or advantage. I see no advantage, but I am forced to move, so I'll move.
I still think the main point is that you don't actually dabble with building initrds yourself, you are happy to follow instructions to do so, when needed. In the future, no one is going to direct you to run mkinitrd, so what is the point of having an alias.
Per,
You may have read from me and Andrei the multiples scenarios in which people have to run mkinitrd manually. I have been in most of them.
No, I have totally missed that. I thought you were talking about having to create initrds manually. For the last couple of years, I have not been in a single situation where I _had_ to run mkinitrd. dracut was very useful though.
No, I have never needed to create initrds manually. I simply used the tool created for the task: to make an initrd, we used "make initrd", in short, mkinitrd. Simple. Easy to remember. No need to learn something else. And yes, I have used it several times every year, and told other people to use it when they asked for advice on their problem. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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