After some internal debate, I d/l the kernel-source-2.4.21-238 (SuSE 9 Pro) and, after... (1)make distclean (2)make cloneconfig (3)make dep ...I compiled/installed the kernel & modules. The result was a good boot-up, but when the modem connected I could get no throughput, whatever. Everything else seemed to work very well. Just pppd seemed to be broken. I have had this exact same trouble with every last kernel update beyond the kernel-2.4.21-99-default that ships w/SuSE 9, and I first tried both the -144 & -238 kernels via YOU & had to finally do an unconditional update to take the box back to the -99 kernel. I would be most interested if anyone else has experienced anything resembling this behaviour ...and what might possibly be checked and/or done to 'unbreak' pppd. I am also wondering if updating a kernel should change any relevent permissions...? Seems to me the permissions should remain stable. Am I mistaken? Thanks! -- ..."Yogi" CH Namasté Yoga Studio
The Wednesday 2004-08-11 at 21:47 -0500, C Hamel wrote:
After some internal debate, I d/l the kernel-source-2.4.21-238 (SuSE 9 Pro) and, after... (1)make distclean (2)make cloneconfig (3)make dep ...I compiled/installed the kernel & modules. The result was a good boot-up, but when the modem connected I could get no throughput, whatever. Everything else seemed to work very well. Just pppd seemed to be broken.
What about the original, patched, SuSE binary kernel, did you try it? Is it broken also? I mean, you could try the binary rpm, updated, to make sure it is nothing in your compilation.
I would be most interested if anyone else has experienced anything resembling this behaviour ...and what might possibly be checked and/or done to 'unbreak' pppd. I am also wondering if updating a kernel should change any relevent permissions...? Seems to me the permissions should remain stable. Am I mistaken?
Kind off, but in SuSE 9.1, kernel 2.6. I get very slow modem throughput,
around 1.5 kb/s. You can find my full report on the issue here:
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:58:21 +0200 (CEST)
From: Carlos E. R.
To: SLE
On Thursday 12 August 2004 04:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Wednesday 2004-08-11 at 21:47 -0500, C Hamel wrote:
After some internal debate, I d/l the kernel-source-2.4.21-238 (SuSE 9 Pro) and, after... (1)make distclean (2)make cloneconfig (3)make dep ...I compiled/installed the kernel & modules. The result was a good boot-up, but when the modem connected I could get no throughput, whatever. Everything else seemed to work very well. Just pppd seemed to be broken.
What about the original, patched, SuSE binary kernel, did you try it? Is it broken also? I mean, you could try the binary rpm, updated, to make sure it is nothing in your compilation. I either forgot --or you didn't see-- the reference to having tried updating via YOU before I decided to just compile it & see if that'd make a difference ...aside from the fact that eradication of the kernel that doesn't work in favor of one that does is simpler.
I would be most interested if anyone else has experienced anything resembling this behaviour ...and what might possibly be checked and/or done to 'unbreak' pppd. I am also wondering if updating a kernel should change any relevent permissions...? Seems to me the permissions should remain stable. Am I mistaken?
Kind off, but in SuSE 9.1, kernel 2.6. I get very slow modem throughput, around 1.5 kb/s. You can find my full report on the issue here:
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:58:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos E. R. To: SLE
Subject: [SLE] Internet connection through modem in 9.1 is slow It would distress me to know that the problem is propagating across suse versions; therefore, I'd like to make sure that the suse binary kernel presents the problem, or not.
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Seems there is a definite problem, here. Let me explain: (1)Gateway 300L business system on which I did an FTP installation has kernel-2.4.21-144 & it works great. Before that, I attempted installing from CDs & did an *upgrade* to 2.4.21-144 & pppd broke. Everything else seemed to work just fine. (2a)Tried upgrading to the -238 kernel when it came out ...and ended up reverting for the same reason. (2)HP Pavilion notebook on which I did an FTP insallation had kernel 2.4.21-144 on it & it, too, worked great. I dumped the installation in favor of the CD version (when I got the CDs) and any attempt to upgrade breaks pppd. Again, everything else seemed to work just fine. -- ..."Yogi" CH Namasté Yoga Studio
The Thursday 2004-08-12 at 16:21 -0500, C Hamel wrote:
...I compiled/installed the kernel & modules. The result was a good boot-up, but when the modem connected I could get no throughput, whatever. Everything else seemed to work very well. Just pppd seemed to be broken.
What about the original, patched, SuSE binary kernel, did you try it? Is it broken also? I mean, you could try the binary rpm, updated, to make sure it is nothing in your compilation.
I either forgot --or you didn't see-- the reference to having tried updating via YOU before I decided to just compile it & see if that'd make a difference ...aside from the fact that eradication of the kernel that doesn't work in favor of one that does is simpler.
I don't know, I didn't notice. It's difficult to keep track of everything :-) ...
Seems there is a definite problem, here. Let me explain: (1)Gateway 300L business system on which I did an FTP installation has kernel-2.4.21-144 & it works great. Before that, I attempted installing from CDs & did an *upgrade* to 2.4.21-144 & pppd broke. Everything else seemed to work just fine.
Same kernel both machines, one works, another doesn't? Weird.
(2a)Tried upgrading to the -238 kernel when it came out ...and ended up reverting for the same reason. (2)HP Pavilion notebook on which I did an FTP insallation had kernel 2.4.21-144 on it & it, too, worked great. I dumped the installation in favor of the CD version (when I got the CDs) and any attempt to upgrade breaks pppd. Again, everything else seemed to work just fine.
Ah, then you mean that the version on the CD was broken? Mmm, I'm thick tonight O:-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Seems there is a definite problem, here. Let me explain: (1)Gateway 300L business system on which I did an FTP installation has kernel-2.4.21-144 & it works great. Before that, I attempted installing from CDs & did an *upgrade* to 2.4.21-144 & pppd broke. Everything else seemed to work just fine.
Same kernel both machines, one works, another doesn't? Weird.
(2a)Tried upgrading to the -238 kernel when it came out ...and ended up reverting for the same reason. (2)HP Pavilion notebook on which I did an FTP insallation had kernel 2.4.21-144 on it & it, too, worked great. I dumped the installation in favor of the CD version (when I got the CDs) and any attempt to upgrade breaks pppd. Again, everything else seemed to work just fine.
Ah, then you mean that the version on the CD was broken?
Mmm, I'm thick tonight O:-)
-- Cheers, Carlos Robinson Guess my point was foggy, so I'll attempt to carify. If I install from FTP
On Tuesday 17 August 2004 18:28, Carlos E. R. wrote: <SNIP> the kernel causes no problems, it seems. If I install from CD & attempt to update (using YOU) the new kernel breaks pppd. Reverting to the CD version puts things right, again. If I compile a new kernel based on the sources for the originally installed kernel I get a good kernel. If I d/l sources for new kernel & 'make cloneconfig' I get a busted kernel, as far as pppd goes. This may be a local issue. Previous boxes have accepted upgrades w/o major problems --RH, Mandrake7-9, Caldera, for instance. -- ..."Yogi" CH Namasté Yoga Studio "If music be the food of love, why can't rabbits sing?"
The Tuesday 2004-08-17 at 19:57 -0500, C Hamel wrote:
Mmm, I'm thick tonight O:-)
Guess my point was foggy, so I'll attempt to carify. If I install from FTP the kernel causes no problems, it seems. If I install from CD & attempt to update (using YOU) the new kernel breaks pppd. Reverting to the CD version puts things right, again.
If I compile a new kernel based on the sources for the originally installed kernel I get a good kernel. If I d/l sources for new kernel & 'make cloneconfig' I get a busted kernel, as far as pppd goes.
So, it is very clear. The original kernel 2.4.21-X for SuSE 9.0 worked. At some point, a patch (that would be installed by You) breaks pppd - as YOU installs the more recent patch, we don't know which version stopped to work. You should report this information to SuSE feedback, it is very important. Lets hope they take notice and solve it. Also, I know that SuSE 9.1 contains broken ppp code (on the kernel or on the daemon, I don't know), because I know it is broken. For my proof on it, see: Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:58:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos E. R. Subject: [SLE] Internet connection through modem in 9.1 is slow X-Message-Number-for-archive: 200451 In brief, I reported that the modem throughput is in average around 1.5 Kb/s, I can not get over 2. I then routed my connection through another machine using 7.3, and my 9.1 internet connection was fast as it should (with the modem and ppp running in 7.3) - therefore, there is nothing wrong with modem, telephone, line, provider or server, nor with firewall, download software, etc. Only with the part of the software in 9.1 that talks with the modem, ie, pppd and the kernel. My guess is that some acknowledgement packages are not transmitted to the server, so the server stops sending. I did already report this to SuSE's feedback, but as typical, I don't have a clue if they are working on it or not. I can only hope. I know that SuSE 8.2 worked correctly, at least, till last June. I don't know if a later patch broke it, I hope not. I feel tempted to try. Meanwhile, I can not even update this 9.1 machine, unless using another one with 7.3. with the modem. But we can guess that the modification was something added in 9.1 that has been passed on to 9.0 at least; and probably it doesn't affect only kernels of the 2.6 series.
This may be a local issue. Previous boxes have accepted upgrades w/o major problems --RH, Mandrake7-9, Caldera, for instance.
You mean that it only affects SuSE, don't you? It will probably be some patch they applied. I was trying to test another distro with a 2.6 kernel to check. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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