[opensuse] KMail Queries
Hello, I have configured KMail and using it in 12.3. Its nice. I have some basic queries as follows: [1] If I have joined more than one mailing lists (for example, this one and off-topic), then is there a way in KMail to create different folders with the filter like I used to create in Gmail.... [2] All those messges (of KMail) occupy the computers' space. Now, during reinstallation/upgradation of the operating system, these all mails are downloaded back or should/must be taken as back-up? -- Regards, AP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 06:34:17 PM AP wrote:
Hello,
I have configured KMail and using it in 12.3. Its nice. I have some basic queries as follows:
[1] If I have joined more than one mailing lists (for example, this one and off-topic), then is there a way in KMail to create different folders with the filter like I used to create in Gmail....
[2] All those messges (of KMail) occupy the computers' space. Now, during reinstallation/upgradation of the operating system, these all mails are downloaded back or should/must be taken as back-up?
I too read this list from Gmail. And any filters I have created via the web interface of Gmail are honored (the messages appear in the proper folders). I set my Gmail account to use Imap, and disable pop. This way all the mail is available on all devices I might use to read it, and it does not take up space on my computer. Therefore I can switch from Kmail to Thunderbird or use my android, and I get a consistent view of the mail, a message marked read in one device shows up as read in all devices and programs. Better yet, there is no significant amount of local storage consumed on my machine, its all on the server. And I don't have to backup the mail. (Unless you have a particular aversion to leaving mail on google's servers, this is a great way to read non-sensitive email such as this mailing list.). If you STARTED using Gmail via POP, gmail may not have any history for you on file, and any local caches on your machine may be all you have as backup and you would be well advised to save them before wiping your machine. --
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On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 09:18:52 AM John M Andersen wrote:
I too read this list from Gmail. And any filters I have created via the web interface of Gmail are honored (the messages appear in the proper folders).
But sometimes accessing messages from web interface breaks the threads and it looks obstinate...
I set my Gmail account to use Imap, and disable pop. This way all the mail is available on all devices I might use to read it, and it does not take up space on my computer.
That's fine. But in my case, I have to see only from the computer and that's why installed KMail...in KDE...becaue of the common K-factor!
Therefore I can switch from Kmail to Thunderbird or use my android, and I get a consistent view of the mail, a message marked read in one device shows up as read in all devices and programs.
Yeah, that seems the property of IMAP...fine.
Better yet, there is no significant amount of local storage consumed on my machine, its all on the server. And I don't have to backup the mail.
This I liked...So you mean I should use IMAP in KMail?
(Unless you have a particular aversion to leaving mail on google's servers, this is a great way to read non-sensitive email such as this mailing list.).
It won't ever breaks any thread?
If you STARTED using Gmail via POP, gmail may not have any history for you on file, and any local caches on your machine may be all you have as backup and you would be well advised to save them before wiping your machine.
Okay, for POP you say this...But there is one option which I saw even in POP which says "Keep a copy on the server"..Then what doest that do...? -- Regards, AP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/4/2013 9:08 AM, AP wrote:
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 09:18:52 AM John M Andersen wrote:
I too read this list from Gmail. And any filters I have created via the web interface of Gmail are honored (the messages appear in the proper folders).
But sometimes accessing messages from web interface breaks the threads and it looks obstinate...
I wasn't suggesting you read mail from the web interface, simply access the Gmail Account settings there. (But I can't confirm thread breakage either, it seems to work for me, even on those rare occasions I use the web interface).
I set my Gmail account to use Imap, and disable pop. This way all the mail is available on all devices I might use to read it, and it does not take up space on my computer.
That's fine. But in my case, I have to see only from the computer and that's why installed KMail...in KDE...becaue of the common K-factor!
Still I would recommend setting Gmail to always use SSL and always use IMAP, even if I always accessed it only from a single computer.
Therefore I can switch from Kmail to Thunderbird or use my android, and I get a consistent view of the mail, a message marked read in one device shows up as read in all devices and programs.
Yeah, that seems the property of IMAP...fine.
Better yet, there is no significant amount of local storage consumed on my machine, its all on the server. And I don't have to backup the mail.
This I liked...So you mean I should use IMAP in KMail?
Yes, in my opinion, that is the best option. Log into the web site, set you Gmail account to only allow Imap, and disable Pop.
(Unless you have a particular aversion to leaving mail on google's servers, this is a great way to read non-sensitive email such as this mailing list.).
It won't ever breaks any thread?
Does this thread look broken? ;-) (The thread breakers are using some version of windows clients (ancient ones) in my investigations).
If you STARTED using Gmail via POP, gmail may not have any history for you on file, and any local caches on your machine may be all you have as backup and you would be well advised to save them before wiping your machine.
Okay, for POP you say this...But there is one option which I saw even in POP which says "Keep a copy on the server"..Then what doest that do...?
Its a functionality left over from the Pleistocene when POP was all there was. It leaves the mail there, but marks it read, and each time you download mail it has to wade thru all of those looking for new emails. It was a primitive attempt to have the functionality of Imap. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:27:47 AM John Andersen wrote:
Still I would recommend setting Gmail to always use SSL and always use IMAP, even if I always accessed it only from a single computer.
Ok, you mean IMAP is better to use in KMail...(as especially compared with POP3)
Yes, in my opinion, that is the best option.
Log into the web site, set you Gmail account to only allow Imap, and disable Pop.
Ok.
Does this thread look broken? ;-) (The thread breakers are using some version of windows clients (ancient ones) in my investigations).
Okay if it doesn't break ever....
POP which says "Keep a copy on the server"..Then what doest that do...?
Its a functionality left over from the Pleistocene when POP was all there was. It leaves the mail there, but marks it read, and each time you download mail it has to wade thru all of those looking for new emails. It was a primitive attempt to have the functionality of Imap.
Ok. But it doesn't marks any mail as read if the mail has been read in KMail...I checked it recently.. -- Regards, AP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Dne St 4. prosince 2013 18:34:17, AP napsal(a):
Hello,
I have configured KMail and using it in 12.3. Its nice. I have some basic queries as follows:
[1] If I have joined more than one mailing lists (for example, this one and off-topic), then is there a way in KMail to create different folders with the filter like I used to create in Gmail....
KMail has it own filters. Check settings menu. Although it's better to created filters on IMAP server. KMail then downloads all IMAP folders with sorted messages.
[2] All those messges (of KMail) occupy the computers' space. Now, during reinstallation/upgradation of the operating system, these all mails are downloaded back or should/must be taken as back-up?
When You upgrade (for example to 13.1), Your mails are kept (as any other data). If You'd delete all Akonadi data (there KMail stores mails), it would be downloaded again. But if You just upgrade and keep old home dir, asi with any other software (Firefox, ...), old data are kept. But of course, it is better to have backup. ;-) All the best, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 07:39:05 PM Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
KMail has it own filters. Check settings menu. Although it's better to created filters on IMAP server. KMail then downloads all IMAP folders with sorted messages.
That's fine but since I have selected the settings as POP3 with the option "Keep a copy in Inbox" (that is, in server) as checked so that even if I delete some mail on KMail, it still resides in Gmail..... Though I see IMAP if it would be more beneficial.....
When You upgrade (for example to 13.1), Your mails are kept (as any other data). If You'd delete all Akonadi data (there KMail stores mails), it would be downloaded again. But if You just upgrade and keep old home dir, asi with any other software (Firefox, ...), old data are kept. But of course, it is better to have backup. ;-)
Ok. Thanks. -- Regards, AP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Čt 5. prosince 2013 14:17:37, AP napsal(a):
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 07:39:05 PM Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
KMail has it own filters. Check settings menu. Although it's better to created filters on IMAP server. KMail then downloads all IMAP folders with sorted messages.
That's fine but since I have selected the settings as POP3 with the option "Keep a copy in Inbox" (that is, in server) as checked so that even if I delete some mail on KMail, it still resides in Gmail..... Though I see IMAP if it would be more beneficial.....
Use IMAP. It is much better. If You have some e-mails only in Your local mailbox (because they were downloaded by POP3 and deleted from the server), You can upload them from KMail to any GMail IMAP folder to keep all of them on the server as well as in Your computer.
When You upgrade (for example to 13.1), Your mails are kept (as any other data). If You'd delete all Akonadi data (there KMail stores mails), it would be downloaded again. But if You just upgrade and keep old home dir, asi with any other software (Firefox, ...), old data are kept. But of course, it is better to have backup. ;-)
Ok. Thanks.
All the best, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:22:39 AM Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Use IMAP. It is much better. If You have some e-mails only in Your local mailbox (because they were downloaded by POP3 and deleted from the server), You can upload them from KMail to any GMail IMAP folder to keep all of them on the server as well as in Your computer.
Oh okay. I try to use IMAP from now. When you say "IMAP folder" you perhaps mean the Gmail folder which I have created in my Ibox which now become IMAP folder after activating IMAP..... Thanks. -- Regards, AP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Čt 5. prosince 2013 16:20:19, AP napsal(a):
On Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:22:39 AM Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Use IMAP. It is much better. If You have some e-mails only in Your local mailbox (because they were downloaded by POP3 and deleted from the server), You can upload them from KMail to any GMail IMAP folder to keep all of them on the server as well as in Your computer.
Oh okay. I try to use IMAP from now. When you say "IMAP folder" you perhaps mean the Gmail folder which I have created in my Ibox which now become IMAP folder after activating IMAP.....
Yes. :-) And it works in both directions. If You create folder in KMail within Your GMail account, it appears as new folder within GMail.
Thanks.
All the best, Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
On Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:53:16 AM you wrote:
Yes. And it works in both directions. If You create folder in KMail within Your GMail account, it appears as new folder within GMail.
Ok well. Thanks dude. And I guess IMAP too uses encryption like POP3.....;)- Some small queries I would ask you personally, if you don't mind, not now....but when the doubt(s) arrise(s). Thanks. -- Regards, AP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday, December 05, 2013 04:59:29 PM you wrote:
Some small queries I would ask you personally, if you don't mind, not now....but when the doubt(s) arrise(s).
I am sorry I meant here itself.....because many knowledgeable persons are there.... -- Regards, AP -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
AP wrote:
Ok well. Thanks dude. And I guess IMAP too uses encryption like POP3.....;)-
IMAPS does. Plain IMAP does not. Same with SMTP & SMTPS etc. Originally mail did not use encryption, but later SSL/TLS was added to encrypt between the user and server. It does not replace email encryption, such as X.509 or PGP/GPG when you want to keep something secret from all but the recipient. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/5/2013 4:46 AM, James Knott wrote:
AP wrote:
Ok well. Thanks dude. And I guess IMAP too uses encryption like POP3.....;)-
IMAPS does. Plain IMAP does not. Same with SMTP & SMTPS etc. Originally mail did not use encryption, but later SSL/TLS was added to encrypt between the user and server. It does not replace email encryption, such as X.509 or PGP/GPG when you want to keep something secret from all but the recipient.
But for the OP, er, ah AP, Gmail uses encryption by default these days. In fact, a quick check seems to suggest there is no way to turn it off anymore. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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