[opensuse] Suse 11 to 11.1 upgrade
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dave Feustel escribió:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
a) Using the "upgrade" option during installation b) using zypper dup in the command line interface. -- "We have art in order not to die of the truth" - Friedrich Nietzsche Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 06:11:02PM -0300, Cristian Rodr?guez wrote:
Dave Feustel escribió:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
a) Using the "upgrade" option during installation b) using zypper dup in the command line interface.
Option a seems easy enough. Thanks! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Dave Feustel <dfeustel@mindspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 06:11:02PM -0300, Cristian Rodr?guez wrote:
Dave Feustel escribió:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
a) Using the "upgrade" option during installation b) using zypper dup in the command line interface.
Option a seems easy enough. Thanks!
Will we also be able to use zypper dup from 10.3? 10.2? I still have a few machines behind the times. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.00.0811240257300.5078@nimrodel.valinor> On Sunday, 2008-11-23 at 20:47 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Dave Feustel <dfeustel@mindspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 06:11:02PM -0300, Cristian Rodr?guez wrote:
Dave Feustel escribió:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
a) Using the "upgrade" option during installation b) using zypper dup in the command line interface.
Option a seems easy enough. Thanks!
Will we also be able to use zypper dup from 10.3? 10.2?
I still have a few machines behind the times.
I think you first have to, or can, upgrade rpm, manually, then zypper and its deps, and then, using that new zypper, all of it. You need to upgrade the rpm command because 11.0 uses a new compression method, lzma; maybe some other library needs to be updated, too. And upgrading rpm itself will be difficult as the old rpm command can not read the new rpm compression method. You might have to upgrade to an alternative rpm command prepared for 10.3... wait, I have it archived: ] Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:29:22 +0200 ] From: Philipp Thomas <p ] Subject: Re: [opensuse] 10.3 rpm version problem? ] ]On Fri, 30 May 2008 01:55:26 -0400, Michael Fischer wrote: ] ]>On Sat. May 10, in reply to a different thread, Philipp Thomas said: ]> ]>> Update rpm. We switched to compressing the rpm payload with lzma because ]>> that yields noticeable better compression. ]> ]>So.... ] ]Sorry, I thought there was an updated rpm available. But try the rpm ]package from Coolo's OBS project, it has lzma support. Simply go to ]http://software.opensuse.org/search and search for rpm for openSUSE ]10.3. The second hit listed is home:coolo/openSUSE_10.3. ] - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkqCqcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UZRACeIl7pk457mjhWSaqpMTTDlZWC vioAn2uSs/LYxkMhQFIveHpu3isQMBkf =ADjw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Greg Freemyer escribió:
Will we also be able to use zypper dup from 10.3? 10.2?
Yes, but serious dragons may appear ;) -- "We have art in order not to die of the truth" - Friedrich Nietzsche Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/
Am 24.11.2008 um 03:50 schrieb Cristian Rodríguez:
Greg Freemyer escribió:
Will we also be able to use zypper dup from 10.3? 10.2?
Yes, but serious dragons may appear ;)
Is there a zypper version for 10.2 that is actually able to do "zypper dup"? I'm currently in the process of updating several XEN domU's from Suse 10.0 to 11.0 and I decided to update version to version 10.0 to 10.1 - easy - Yast->System update, some clean ups - ok 10.1 to 10.2 - the same 10.2 to 10.3 - pure hell - 10.3 dvd is not recognized as installation source for "System update" in yast and immediatly disabled - booting 10.3 installer from DVD is - say an adventure - at least when you can't do a fully virtualized boot on the system - it crashes when there is an XFS filesystem near, it does not recognize an ISO image given as CDROM as installation source (had to copy the contents to a virtual hard disc) ... 10.3 to 11.0 - via zypper should be ok - I did it for some "real" systems and don't expect too much problems. So yes - a working zypper version for 10.2 would be great. Any hints? Ralf -- Van Roy's Law: ------------------------------------------------------- An unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.00.0811261318200.5078@nimrodel.valinor> On Wednesday, 2008-11-26 at 11:28 +0100, Ralf Müller wrote:
10.2 to 10.3 - pure hell
You have to manually upgrade rpm and zypper before running zypper dup. You can find references to this in the factory list when the change to lzma was applied. And there are special rpm and zypper packages by coolo, that I mentioned in this very same thread the other day, which were made for this purpose.
- booting 10.3 installer from DVD is - say an adventure - at least when you can't do a fully virtualized boot on the system - it crashes when there is an XFS filesystem near, it does not recognize an ISO image given as CDROM as installation source (had to copy the contents to a virtual hard disc) ...
I don't know about virtualized, but in a real system it worked fine. Dunno about xfs as root filesystem... I think I heard somethings at the time. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkktPtUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UKVQCeNk1a0Mtp2+RvCF6l6jdLTpKA 7v4An07Z6Jkp8ImVM7u0HozXcamJuLn3 =wev+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Monday 24 November 2008 12:17:03 Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Dave Feustel <dfeustel@mindspring.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 06:11:02PM -0300, Cristian Rodr?guez wrote:
Dave Feustel escribió:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
a) Using the "upgrade" option during installation b) using zypper dup in the command line interface.
Option a seems easy enough. Thanks!
Will we also be able to use zypper dup from 10.3? 10.2?
I still have a few machines behind the times.
Greg
Greg, This url gives instructions on how to upgrade from 10.2/10.3 to 11.0 - you can adapt it to 11.1 easily enough... http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/bweber/entry/upgrading_opensuse_103/ I followed it and it worked fine (with the slight change from the published procedure that I added the 11.0 version of all of the repositories that I have enabled and disabled the 10.3 versions before running zypper -dup). Try it on a non-critical machine first. Oh, make sure you have plenty of space in /var for the zypper package cache (not currently kept in 10.2/10.3). I ran out of space on /var part way through which caused me some problems (that were easily resolved once I realised what was going on). YMMV. Cheers, Rodney. -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================
Hi! Am Samstag 22 November 2008 schrieb Cristian Rodríguez:
Dave Feustel escribió:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
[...] b) using zypper dup in the command line interface.
Has anybody tried this path to 11.1 yet. Anything special one has be aware of. Would be nice if we had a One-Click for that ;) Regards, Matthias -- Matthias Bach www.marix.org „Der einzige Weg, die Grenzen des Möglichen zu finden, ist ein klein wenig über diese hinaus in das Unmögliche vorzustoßen.“ - Arthur C. Clarke
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Dave Feustel escribió:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
a) Using the "upgrade" option during installation b) using zypper dup in the command line interface.
Unfortunately zypper dup doesn't upgrade whole distribution 11 to 11.1 which seems to be ridiculous. I'm waiting for sudo apt-get dist-upgrade tool in Suse like in good old Ubuntu -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Suse-11-to-11.1-upgrade-tp20639758p21118235.html Sent from the openSUSE community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2008/12/21 Beyo <beyonder7@tlen.pl>:
Unfortunately zypper dup doesn't upgrade whole distribution 11 to 11.1 which seems to be ridiculous. I'm waiting for sudo apt-get dist-upgrade tool in Suse like in good old Ubuntu
Over the years, some upgrades of things like RAID or filesystems have required conversions of on disk data. That kind of thing isn't handled very well, by a tool running on a live system. So the YaST method, booting from another source and running in memory has it's place. If you're running 11.0 then it's supported for a very long time still, 11.1 won't be as solid for a while, and with the OBS I'm wondering why you're so keen to add 0.1 to the release number. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Over the years, some upgrades of things like RAID or filesystems have required conversions of on disk data. That kind of thing isn't handled very well, by a tool running on a live system.
Hm...but in ubuntu somehow it works..I have only once problem when after upgrade from 5.10 to 6.06 X crashed. In Suse upgrading from 10.3 to 11.0 resulted in reinstallation the system.
So the YaST method, booting from another source and running in memory has it's place. If you're running 11.0 then it's supported for a very long time still, 11.1 won't be as solid for a while, and with the OBS I'm wondering why you're so keen to add 0.1 to the release number.
Ok 11.1 is whole created in OBS so I hope that using previous version will not complicate things with use OBS. if all 11.1 packages will be available to 11.0 by update than this is ok. However I think that Suse developers could learn much from gentoo team - their emerge is best tool for handling packages. Sebastian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2008/12/21 Sebastian Szwarc <beyonder7@tlen.pl>:
Hm...but in ubuntu somehow it works..I have only once problem when after upgrade from 5.10 to 6.06 X crashed. In Suse upgrading from 10.3 to 11.0 resulted in reinstallation the system.
Ubuntu are new kids on the block, they haven't had the sort of change, that was faced by the oldest estabilished distro suppliers, like Red Had, SuSE and Slack (oh and Mandriva to to some extent). Personally I'd prefer a Rolling Release model, where I would generally get software packages upgraded, and keep "current" on desktop with the newest release. But there are somethings you have to do, off of a live system, YaST can accomodate that, whereas the "zypper dup" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" would require compatability modes in the software used, or impose extra steps on the users. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 21 December 2008 02:04:44 pm Sebastian Szwarc wrote:
However I think that Suse developers could learn much from gentoo team - their emerge is best tool for handling packages.
I'm sure they looked at it. I'm sure that tool one knows has advantages to one that has to be learned, but that is not all that one takes in consideration creating one tool. Emerge works fine, but one day when adding some USE flag would take computer off line for another day, I quitted. Taking all the time computer was busy with emerge, computer speedup because of more efficient CPU usage wasn't that great, if there was any advantage left. Package management is part of the computer system, it should not keep it busy that long, as emerge does. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 21 December 2008 01:25:40 pm Beyo wrote:
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Dave Feustel escribió:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
a) Using the "upgrade" option during installation b) using zypper dup in the command line interface.
Unfortunately zypper dup doesn't upgrade whole distribution 11 to 11.1 which seems to be ridiculous. I'm waiting for sudo apt-get dist-upgrade tool in Suse like in good old Ubuntu
Any details how zypper dup doesn't upgrade 11.0 to 11.1, so that somebody else can try that. What is not updated? What repositories you have configured and in what order? zypper lr -e repolist and post it here. Also it is worth to mention is that only openSUSE package management provides real security: http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/faq.html note section about openSUSE. http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Linux-package-management-systems-not-... see their comment on Ubuntu. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rajko M. wrote:
Any details how zypper dup doesn't upgrade 11.0 to 11.1, so that somebody else can try that.
What is not updated?
for example, pam. You get errors there, there remain files wanting resmngr, which is no longer installed, and you can not login with a message about a missing module. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.1-ex-factory) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklOx2sACgkQU92UU+smfQVTkgCcDYOZAVbZ6CyCML73qgJbVP28 ylYAnRADrCaONirKC9o3mAuH/CeubGEb =cg2w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 21 December 2008 04:47:07 pm Carlos E. R. wrote:
for example, pam. You get errors there, there remain files wanting resmngr, which is no longer installed, and you can not login with a message about a missing module.
That should be the update configuration error, not "zypper dup". -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 21 December 2008 04:47:07 pm Carlos E. R. wrote:
for example, pam. You get errors there, there remain files wanting resmngr, which is no longer installed, and you can not login with a message about a missing module.
That should be the update configuration error, not "zypper dup".
I'm not sure if "zypper dup" can edit the files in /etc/pam.d/ to prevent this problem. I think it just leaves there the config.rpmnew files and that's it. I don't know yet wether upgrading from the DVD has this problem or not. The fact is, people are complaining that zypper dup of 11.0 to 11.1 leaves the system unusable because of that problem - whatever the cause is. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.1-ex-factory) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklOzj0ACgkQU92UU+smfQUb0QCfV9qSsOtK//mEmMljZCTPkn85 r8oAn1389/lyRzEHcf3WjvUeHjYNZwjp =DGRR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:16:13 +0100, you wrote:
I'm not sure if "zypper dup" can edit the files in /etc/pam.d/ to prevent this problem. I think it just leaves there the config.rpmnew files and that's it. I don't know yet wether upgrading from the DVD has this problem or not.
It's not zypper, it's rpm that won't do it. These files are marked in their packages as configuration files that must not be overwritten, so rpm doesn't touch them. The only thing that could have been done would have been to check in the post install script of hte package(s) whether or not the pam script contained calls to resmgr and warn the user. BTW, if 'zypper dup' has this problem, so should any other method of updating have. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2008-11-22 at 20:36 +0100, Dave Feustel wrote:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
The same as users of 6.1 upgraded to 6.2 - things haven't changed that much :-p Oh, well we have zypper now. Forgot. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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Andrew Joakimsen schreef:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 14:36, Dave Feustel <dfeustel@mindspring.com> wrote:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
On a blank hard drive.
Seriously? I might as well switch back to an apt-based distro. Those have no problem at all with dist-upgrades. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 November 2008 15:58:18 Amedee Van Gasse wrote:
Andrew Joakimsen schreef:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 14:36, Dave Feustel <dfeustel@mindspring.com> wrote:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1?
On a blank hard drive.
Seriously? I might as well switch back to an apt-based distro. Those have no problem at all with dist-upgrades.
He's just yanking your chain. The distribution DVD will have an "upgrade existing system" option, and if my past experience with them is any indication, it will be well tested and painless to use. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jerry Houston schreef:
On Friday 28 November 2008 15:58:18 Amedee Van Gasse wrote:
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 14:36, Dave Feustel <dfeustel@mindspring.com> wrote:
How will users of Suse 11.0 upgrade to 11.1? On a blank hard drive. Seriously? I might as well switch back to an apt-based distro. Those have no
Andrew Joakimsen schreef: problem at all with dist-upgrades.
He's just yanking your chain. The distribution DVD will have an "upgrade existing system" option, and if my past experience with them is any indication, it will be well tested and painless to use.
Phew! I'm not new to Linux, but I'm new to OpenSuse. Even with /home on a separate partition, reinstalling from scratch is always a PITA. -- Amedee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 29 November 2008, Amedee Van Gasse wrote:
Phew! I'm not new to Linux, but I'm new to OpenSuse. Even with /home on a separate partition, reinstalling from scratch is always a PITA.
-- Amedee
Yeah. But just as when moving, it's the oportunity to get rid of old stuff you did not even remember you had installed (or never knew) Beside: I'm allways surprised that everyone thinks "newer is better". I tried 11.0. but kept 10.3. I will do the same with 11.1: install on a free partition, test. Perhaps I would then upgrade my main install, more probably I will slowly setup the new 11.1 until I change priorities in grub. If you *do* upgrade, backup first.... Thierry -- “Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems.” Linus Torvald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Beside: I'm allways surprised that everyone thinks "newer is better". I tried 11.0. but kept 10.3. I will do the same with 11.1: install on a free partition, test. Perhaps I would then upgrade my main install, more probably I will slowly setup the new 11.1 until I change priorities in grub.
In the case of 10.3 vs 11.0... 11.0 is definitely better.. by a lot if you only look at the improvements in design and more importantly performance of the package manager... it works, and it works VERY well in 11.0. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sorry Clayton, sent PM first, so you will get this twice... Don't know why kmail some time takes the list address and nome time the private address... On Saturday 29 November 2008, Clayton wrote:
In the case of 10.3 vs 11.0... 11.0 is definitely better.. by a lot if you only look at the improvements in design and more importantly performance of the package manager... it works, and it works VERY well in 11.0.
C.
Probably yes. In my case I did not notice the design improvements in my use. The point about the package manager is absolutely true, but I don't use it enough to feel I must setup my complete system new just to get it. The decision to upgrade is allways a very personal matter :) Thierry -- “Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems.” Linus Torvald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sorry Clayton, sent PM first, so you will get this twice...
No worries... happens to me too.
The point about the package manager is absolutely true, but I don't use it enough to feel I must setup my complete system new just to get it.
The decision to upgrade is allways a very personal matter :)
I use the package manager all the time.. I'm a "new version junkie"... I have to have the latest and greatest.. and often broken versions. I guess that's why I use KDE4.1 :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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