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Dear All, it is my understanding that in OpenSUSE 11.4 the Liberation Fonts are used as default fonts and aliased to Sans, Sans Serif and Monospace. I would like to change this to use DejaVu fonts on my system. I know I can change the fonts in the Gnome and KDE appearance panels, and I already did that, but I would also like to change them in the whole system, so that when a 'Serif' or 'Monospace' font is required, it defaults to DejaVu. I read up a bit and I understand that this kind of configuration is in the /etc/fonts/ subdirectory. However, I don't understand exactly where the aliases are defined. It seems to me that the file suse-post-user.conf is where these are defined. However, if I look at the file, DejaVu fonts are already in the aliased lists and are actually higher in the lists than Liberation. So shouldn't they be used as default if available? Nevertheless this doesn't seem to be the case to me. Can someone help me please? Valerio -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Hi; On Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:07:50 PM Valerio Mariani wrote:
Dear All,
it is my understanding that in OpenSUSE 11.4 the Liberation Fonts are used as default fonts and aliased to Sans, Sans Serif and Monospace. I would like to change this to use DejaVu fonts on my system. I know I can change the fonts in the Gnome and KDE appearance panels, and I already did that, but I would also like to change them in the whole system, so that when a 'Serif' or 'Monospace' font is required, it defaults to DejaVu.
I read up a bit and I understand that this kind of configuration is in the /etc/fonts/ subdirectory. However, I don't understand exactly where the aliases are defined. It seems to me that the file suse-post-user.conf is where these are defined. However, if I look at the file, DejaVu fonts are already in the aliased lists and are actually higher in the lists than Liberation. So shouldn't they be used as default if available? Nevertheless this doesn't seem to be the case to me.
Are you sure its not the case already? On my 11.4ish system; [~]> fc-match serif DejaVuSerif.ttf: "DejaVu Serif" "Book" [~]> fc-match sans DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" Regards. -- İsmail Dönmez - openSUSE Booster SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Dear Ismail, thanks for the super-fast answer. This does not seem to be the case here. I installed the MS fonts, so I get:
fc-match sans arial.ttf: "Arial" "Normal" fc-match serif times.ttf: "Times New Roman" "Normal"
This actually would seem to make sense, because the aliasing list for serif, for example, goes like this: <alias> <family>serif</family> <prefer> <family>Times New Roman</family> <family>Thorndale AMT</family> <family>DejaVu Serif</family> <family>Liberation Serif</family> <family>SUSE Serif</family> So, I would just need to move DejaVu to a higher position, right? Valerio PS: by the way, what is SUSE serif? I have never seen this font...
Are you sure its not the case already? On my 11.4ish system;
[~]> fc-match serif DejaVuSerif.ttf: "DejaVu Serif" "Book"
[~]> fc-match sans DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On 2011/03/30 12:31 (GMT+0200) Valerio Mariani composed:
I installed the MS fonts, so I get:
fc-match sans arial.ttf: "Arial" "Normal" fc-match serif times.ttf: "Times New Roman" "Normal"
This actually would seem to make sense, because the aliasing list for serif, for example, goes like this:
<alias> <family>serif</family> <prefer> <family>Times New Roman</family> <family>Thorndale AMT</family> <family>DejaVu Serif</family> <family>Liberation Serif</family> <family>SUSE Serif</family>
So, I would just need to move DejaVu to a higher position, right?
That's the way I remember it. It's no big deal to try. Why don't you?
PS: by the way, what is SUSE serif? I have never seen this font...
IIRC, it was a SuSE customized variant of Bitstream Vera Serif predating DejaVu, which was the starting basis for the DejaVu project. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:31:34 PM Valerio Mariani wrote:
Dear Ismail,
thanks for the super-fast answer. This does not seem to be the
case here. I installed the MS fonts, so I get:
fc-match sans
arial.ttf: "Arial" "Normal"
fc-match serif
times.ttf: "Times New Roman" "Normal"
This actually would seem to make sense, because the aliasing list for serif, for example, goes like this:
<alias> <family>serif</family> <prefer> <family>Times New Roman</family> <family>Thorndale AMT</family> <family>DejaVu Serif</family> <family>Liberation Serif</family> <family>SUSE Serif</family>
So, I would just need to move DejaVu to a higher position, right?
Yeah just move it up. Regards. -- İsmail Dönmez - openSUSE Booster SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On 2011/03/30 12:07 (GMT+0200) Valerio Mariani composed:
I would also like to change them in the whole system, so that when a 'Serif' or 'Monospace' font is required, it defaults to DejaVu.
Just curious, is your preference for DejaVu because of its larger than average size? Have look at http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesL.html to compare the relative sizes of common Linux fonts. When I open it, DejaVu Serif is clearly the widest of all, and few proportional fonts are larger than DejaVu Sans. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Yes! Of course there are several factors weighting in, and in the end it is down to personal taste. In general I like an Apple-style rendering, with slight hinting. So I like "fatty" fonts. Liberation renders beautifully on my screen, but I have a problem with the task bar: I use a relatively dark wallpaper (spaceman goldrush, from the SUSE Gnome Ayatana Project), and I use it with KDE. The task bar fonts are super hard to read, even with the back blur. This is, in my opinion, the only big UI problem of KDE 4.6.1, and I hope it get addressed in the next KDE version. The problem is that Liberation Fonts, being thin, are harder to read in the task bar. DejaVu are instead a little larger and more readable. However, they render awfully on my low-quality Dell screen. It is so bad that I can see the colour bleeding from the anti-aliasing. This is particularly true with DejaVu fonts, so if anyone has a suggestion for another nice font, it is very welcome. The DejaVu Mono particularly suffers from this problem. I tried using the Droid fonts for everything, but in my opinion the height/width ratio is a little bit unpleasant. By the way, I use the patched font rpms from the build service, from a user called Muzlocker. I don't know what he does, but the rendering is really superb! Thanks muzlocker, if you are on the list! Valerio On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
Just curious, is your preference for DejaVu because of its larger than average size? Have look at http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesL.html to compare the relative sizes of common Linux fonts. When I open it, DejaVu Serif is clearly the widest of all, and few proportional fonts are larger than DejaVu Sans. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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