On 10/15/2010 08:42 PM, Mark Misulich wrote:
Not to open up another can of worms, but I haven't been able to install Opensuse 11.3 on any of my computers using the dvd. The dvd isn't recognized by the computer when I try to boot from it. The same computers will recognize the 11.1 and 11.2 install disks. I have to install 11.3 using the net install cd, because the computer will recognize the presence of the cd when I try to boot from it. Any ideas about why this is? If there is no quick easy answer to this I will open another thread on this issue.
What did you use to burn the 11.3 DVD? I have always had success burning from konsole or an xterm with: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso No coasters at all... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. I burned them on my old desktop, the one that I rebuilt. It had a Pentium 4 and 4mb ram. I burned them on 11.1 suse using k3b. This was the same box that I burned the 11.1 and 11.2 dvd's on. I burned two copies at differant times of the 11.3 dvd, neither worked. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/16/2010 07:45 AM, Mark Misulich wrote:
I burned them on my old desktop, the one that I rebuilt. It had a Pentium 4 and 4mb ram. I burned them on 11.1 suse using k3b. This was the same box that I burned the 11.1 and 11.2 dvd's on. I burned two copies at differant times of the 11.3 dvd, neither worked.
Check the md5sums, and if good, the try groisofs for burning. k3b for kde3 burns fine for me, but I will not vouch for kde4. If the md5sums don't match --> that's your problem. But seriously, burn it from the command line to make sure. That way you will get the precise error, if any, that you can post here. growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=whatever_the_image_name_is.iso Other options of interest: -dry-run -speed=N -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 16 October 2010 14:45:47 Mark Misulich wrote:
I burned them on my old desktop, the one that I rebuilt. It had a Pentium 4 and 4mb ram. ^^^ Put the rest of the ram back in and you'll be fine. If you can't find it, we'll have a whipround - I'm sure I've got some old 1MB SIMM modules knocking around somewhere.
SCNR, have a good Sunday all and I hope Mark gets his disks burned successfully. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2010-10-17 at 10:51 +0200, Will Stephenson wrote:
On Saturday 16 October 2010 14:45:47 Mark Misulich wrote:
I burned them on my old desktop, the one that I rebuilt. It had a Pentium 4 and 4mb ram. ^^^ Put the rest of the ram back in and you'll be fine. If you can't find it, we'll have a whipround - I'm sure I've got some old 1MB SIMM modules knocking around somewhere.
It has to be a typo... P-IV are from the year 2000, when common sizes for memory where 128 megs and up. Minimum 64 megs. The size 4mb were typical from late msdos times, when Win 3.x started, year 1992 or so - and the mos modern cpus were the 386 or perhaps 486 - no pentiums, even less the IV. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAky65QwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UvpACfbhxvXnmdo8h+sMvxG0T201jN aOMAnio1zYrKiDFwKcW9O2R5P8GFJwz3 =NlTj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 17 October 2010 13:59:07 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2010-10-17 at 10:51 +0200, Will Stephenson wrote:
On Saturday 16 October 2010 14:45:47 Mark Misulich wrote:
I burned them on my old desktop, the one that I rebuilt. It had a Pentium 4 and 4mb ram.
^^^
Put the rest of the ram back in and you'll be fine. If you can't find it, we'll have a whipround - I'm sure I've got some old 1MB SIMM modules knocking around somewhere.
It has to be a typo... P-IV are from the year 2000, when common sizes for memory where 128 megs and up. Minimum 64 megs.
The size 4mb were typical from late msdos times, when Win 3.x started, year 1992 or so - and the mos modern cpus were the 386 or perhaps 486 - no pentiums, even less the IV.
The presence of the acronym SCNR in a discussion should be a strong clue that the writer is not entirely serious. I'm guessing there were probably P-IV systems shipped with a 4MB BIOS ;). Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2010-10-17 at 18:29 +0200, Will Stephenson wrote:
The presence of the acronym SCNR in a discussion should be a strong clue that the writer is not entirely serious.
Ah! Well, that one is new to me.
I'm guessing there were probably P-IV systems shipped with a 4MB BIOS ;).
Bios? That big is enough to have graphics and mouse support :-p - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAky7Q1IACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UY5QCffDKbmnJoigwII93fJvmTlNBN L1oAoI2cXXcDpkLPEGRNgtSegG2ilV59 =mcY2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
El 17/10/10 15:41, Carlos E. R. escribió:
Bios? That big is enough to have graphics and mouse support :-p
Dont hold your breath, they will be soon coming with an embeeded OS instead of that old blue screen ... ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2010-10-19 at 15:55 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 17/10/10 15:41, Carlos E. R. escribió:
Bios? That big is enough to have graphics and mouse support :-p
Dont hold your breath, they will be soon coming with an embeeded OS instead of that old blue screen ... ;-)
With fully reliable antivirus included. Hum... I think they have the word "linux" in the database.
:-P
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On 10/19/2010 02:55 PM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 17/10/10 15:41, Carlos E. R. escribió:
Bios? That big is enough to have graphics and mouse support :-p
Dont hold your breath, they will be soon coming with an embeeded OS instead of that old blue screen ... ;-) And you know just whose OS that will be, don't you!
--doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/17/2010 06:59 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The size 4mb were typical from late msdos times, when Win 3.x started, year 1992 or so - and the mos modern cpus were the 386 or perhaps 486 - no pentiums, even less the IV.
Memory lane - my first box (still runs) 386/33 w/math coprocessor, 4 meg. and 120m drive. DOS 4.01 (yea! no 33m partition limitations), Win 3.1 & word all installed in less than 4 meg of drive space. Trumpet winsock, handled internet over 2400 baud dial-up, Mosaic had not yet been born and the c-shell/ftp and text-interface to compuserve or bulletin boards were the only game in town. A big step up from the dual-1.2M/360k drive setups on the 286 boxes at work. And just 2-3 years prior at A&M, the VAX cluster was the only game going. (FORTRAN for numerical methods/common-blocks - yuk!) (we've come a long way in 20 years) I was at NASA when the first Mosaic appeared ('91?) and at the time there were very few sites, no graphics, just links, but man was that better than hand-typing all the urls.... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/17/2010 03:47 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 10/17/2010 06:59 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The size 4mb were typical from late msdos times, when Win 3.x started, year 1992 or so - and the mos modern cpus were the 386 or perhaps 486 - no pentiums, even less the IV.
Memory lane - my first box (still runs) 386/33 w/math coprocessor, 4 meg. and 120m drive. DOS 4.01 (yea! no 33m partition limitations), Win 3.1& word all installed in less than 4 meg of drive space. Trumpet winsock, handled internet over 2400 baud dial-up, Mosaic had not yet been born and the c-shell/ftp and text-interface to compuserve or bulletin boards were the only game in town.
A big step up from the dual-1.2M/360k drive setups on the 286 boxes at work. And just 2-3 years prior at A&M, the VAX cluster was the only game going. (FORTRAN for numerical methods/common-blocks - yuk!) (we've come a long way in 20 years)
I was at NASA when the first Mosaic appeared ('91?) and at the time there were very few sites, no graphics, just links, but man was that better than hand-typing all the urls....
You are a late-comer. I can remember when 16K was the standard ram, and 64K was the biggest expansion you could get. My Big Board CPM machine came with 16K, and I expanded it immediately. You could get the os and Wordstar on one side of an 8" floppy, and still have space to write a few pages! Oh, yes--the Big Board came as a kit of parts, and you got out your soldering iron and built it. Then you bought a power supply somewhere, and a case, and floppy dirves, and a keyboard and a display. (The rich bought a used terminal.) I think Bill Gates said that no-one would ever want more than 128K! That was a year or two _after_ the Big Board. I think the Commodore and the Atari both came with 16K; I sort of remember that you could expand the Atari. The Big Board ran at 2.5 MHz on an 8080, convertible to a Z80, at 4 MHz, and the two commercial machines ran on a Motorla chip. I don't rememeber the type. (Some guys at the shop had built a mil-spec machine with the Z80, and the QPL version of the chip ran about $ 230! This was earlier, around 1975. ) There was also an Apple II around just about 1980--the screen was only 40 characters wide. What a screw-up, but look how they pulled out of it! And Radio Shack had a machine--I think it also ran CPM, but not sure. The company that I worked for at that time (~1980) was Cardion, and there was just one RS machine that a secretary used with RS's proprietary word processor. They also had some kind of HP machine that ran BASIC, but you had to take a ticket to get on it! The entire engineering department used it. They also had remote access to a mainframe somewhere, by acoustic modem, but that was "modern" at the time-- the first time I used that kind of system was in the late 60's. That dial-up machine ran BASIC and Fortran. Most of us engineers used BASIC, since we were in school before Fortran was taught--only a couple of the younger guys programmed in Fortran. (In 1983 I got really up-to-date, and took a course in Pascal! But the real programmers were doing C by that time.) Well, I've been retired for 8 years now, and I'm just trying to learn some Linux! Altho I've been "fooling" with it for about 15 years. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Doug wrote:
You are a late-comer. I can remember when 16K was the standard ram, and 64K was the biggest expansion you could get.
My first computer, an IMSAI 8080, came with no memory. I initially bought a 16K board, loaded with 4K, but later filled that board and added a 4K board for a total of 20KB! That computer had an Intel 8080 CPU and I bought it in Nov. 1976. No disks for be back then. A pair of floppy drives, case controller etc., would have doubled the cost of the computer. I used audio cassettes and paper tape (I also had a Teletype Corp. model 35 ASR, which I bought as surplus from my employer). For display, I had a video card that could do 16 lines of 64 characters to a video monitor or 16 x 32 to a portable TV. That computer came as a bare board and bag of parts that had to be soldered to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSAI_8080 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday, October 18, 2010 11:26 James Knott wrote: <snip a LOT "OT", not this "slight" baloney> All this garbage thread about nothing to do with Opensuse. Where's all the "Stick on topic damn you!" list police suddenly, to shout this useless thread and its contributors down? Gotta love the rampant hypocrisy and little boys club of hypocrites on this list, eh Patrick and Mike? -- Μολὼν λαβέ Top-posters: The Village Idiots of the computer world. Religion: The longest running scam known to mankind. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/18/2010 04:25 PM, John wrote:
<snip a LOT "OT", not this "slight" baloney>
All this garbage thread about nothing to do with Opensuse. Where's all the "Stick on topic damn you!" list police suddenly, to shout this useless thread and its contributors down?
Gotta love the rampant hypocrisy and little boys club of hypocrites on this list, eh Patrick and Mike?
We all get a pass on Sunday afternoon :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:25:23 -0500, John <yochanon@intergate.com> wrote:
Where's all the "Stick on topic damn you!" list police suddenly, to shout this useless thread and its contributors down?
One of them just returned from holiday in the south of France and had thus better things to do. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 05:19 Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:25:23 -0500, John <yochanon@intergate.com>
wrote:
Where's all the "Stick on topic damn you!" list police suddenly, to shout this useless thread and its contributors down?
One of them just returned from holiday in the south of France and had thus better things to do.
Philipp
And with that, you've just given permission to one and all to tell you and any of the other hypocrites to FOAD when you all get your panties in a bunch over a thread being/getting 'off topic' or not to your likings. Quick....scream for Chris now! -- Μολὼν λαβέ Top-posters: The Village Idiots of the computer world. Religion: The longest running scam known to mankind. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:49:58 -0500, John <yochanon@intergate.com> wrote:
tell you and any of the other hypocrites to FOAD when you all get your panties in a bunch over a thread being/getting 'off topic' or not to your likings.
Hmm, why bother with top posting when you don't care about topics? And why is everybody that tries to keep a list on topic a hypocite? Do you also tell that to the developers in a bug reporting mailing list when they tell you that you sent your mail to the wrong list? If not, why? Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Philipp Thomas <Philipp.Thomas2@gmx.net> [10-19-10 16:10]:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:49:58 -0500, John <yochanon@intergate.com> wrote:
tell you and any of the other hypocrites to FOAD when you all get your panties in a bunch over a thread being/getting 'off topic' or not to your likings.
Hmm, why bother with top posting when you don't care about topics? And why is everybody that tries to keep a list on topic a hypocite? Do you also tell that to the developers in a bug reporting mailing list when they tell you that you sent your mail to the wrong list? If not, why?
The OP has only just subscribed here and apparently is bent on trolling. Let's not feed him :^). -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 15:14 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Philipp Thomas <Philipp.Thomas2@gmx.net> [10-19-10 16:10]:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:49:58 -0500, John <yochanon@intergate.com>
wrote:
tell you and any of the other hypocrites to FOAD when you all get your panties in a bunch over a thread being/getting 'off topic' or not to your likings.
Hmm, why bother with top posting when you don't care about topics? And why is everybody that tries to keep a list on topic a hypocite? Do you also tell that to the developers in a bug reporting mailing list when they tell you that you sent your mail to the wrong list? If not, why?
The OP has only just subscribed here and apparently is bent on trolling. Let's not feed him :^).
Patrick's standard answer when he can't man up to being wrong. I've had to put up with reading your pseudo-intellectual pompous diatribe for years. I come back after a long hiatus and see you're still thinking people should believe you're more important than you think you yourself are. -- Μολὼν λαβέ Top-posters: The Village Idiots of the computer world. Religion: The longest running scam known to mankind. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Philipp Thomas <Philipp.Thomas2@gmx.net> wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:49:58 -0500, John <yochanon@intergate.com> wrote:
tell you and any of the other hypocrites to FOAD when you all get your panties in a bunch over a thread being/getting 'off topic' or not to your likings.
Hmm, why bother with top posting when you don't care about topics? And why is everybody that tries to keep a list on topic a hypocite?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite?show=0&t=1287519185 2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings so whereas you were hell on wheels for people being offtopic for a 'KDE sucks rant', you're perfectly fine with the nostalgia trip somewhat akin to 'mine's bigger than yours cuz I had hardware that sucked so much more than yours' that would be the hypocritical part.
Do you also tell that to the developers in a bug reporting mailing list when they tell you that you sent your mail to the wrong list? If not, why?
I'd suspect if developers for said list (say it's for widgets), responded as 'thats OT, take it to another list' for and only for discussions started about wingdings, but never about foobars - then yes, they would be hypocrites as well. -- Even the Magic 8 ball has an opinion on email clients: Outlook not so good. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
My very last comment on this thread which I've now set to ignore in my MUA. On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:18:16 -0400, zGreenfelder <zgreenfelder@gmail.com> wrote:
so whereas you were hell on wheels for people being offtopic for a 'KDE sucks rant', you're perfectly fine with the nostalgia trip somewhat akin to 'mine's bigger than yours cuz I had hardware that sucked so much more than yours'
What tells you I'm fine with that? Somehow you didn't read my mail. Had you done so you would have read that I was on holiday where I make it a habit of only using my macbook for archiving and touching up the photos I make and maybe watching a DVD. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, October 19, 2010 15:09 Philipp Thomas wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:49:58 -0500, John <yochanon@intergate.com>
wrote:
tell you and any of the other hypocrites to FOAD when you all get your panties in a bunch over a thread being/getting 'off topic' or not to your likings.
Hmm, why bother with top posting when you don't care about topics?
That loud whoosh noise passing swiftly over your head was you missing the point of my bashing you guys. -- Μολὼν λαβέ Top-posters: The Village Idiots of the computer world. Religion: The longest running scam known to mankind. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/17/2010 03:46 PM, Doug wrote:
by acoustic modem, but that was "modern" at the time
Ahh, remember it well, some time in junior high, southwester bell rolled in the podium with 2 foam cups where the phone handle would be place to "dial-in" to the main office in Richardson. At 12 or so, I didn't get the significance of the few characters that went back and forth over the line (this must have been '78 or so) It just looked like a whole lot of trouble to go though to get a few characters, when all you had to do was pick up the phone and call the operator and ask :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 13:59 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Sunday, 2010-10-17 at 10:51 +0200, Will Stephenson wrote:
On Saturday 16 October 2010 14:45:47 Mark Misulich wrote:
I burned them on my old desktop, the one that I rebuilt. It had a Pentium 4 and 4mb ram. ^^^ Put the rest of the ram back in and you'll be fine. If you can't find it, we'll have a whipround - I'm sure I've got some old 1MB SIMM modules knocking around somewhere.
It has to be a typo... P-IV are from the year 2000, when common sizes for memory where 128 megs and up. Minimum 64 megs.
The size 4mb were typical from late msdos times, when Win 3.x started, year 1992 or so - and the mos modern cpus were the 386 or perhaps 486 - no pentiums, even less the IV.
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