[opensuse] Should I be worried about my disk?
Hello list mates, Recently, I have been seeing the following log entries from smartd: Oct 7 10:07:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 107 to 105 Oct 7 10:07:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 187 Reported_Uncorrect changed from 32 to 26 Oct 7 10:07:57 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], ATA error count increased from 68 to 74 Oct 7 10:37:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors Oct 7 10:37:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 2 Offline uncorrectable sectors Especially the last two lines worry me. However, Googling tells me that it's not really an issue and that the two pending sectors should be remapped when the system does another read of the sector. Smartctl after a long test tells me the disk passes the test, so a failure is not imminent. The disk is about a year old now. Thoughts? Ideas? Thanks in advance, Joop -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Joop Beris
Especially the last two lines worry me. However, Googling tells me that it's not really an issue and that the two pending sectors should be remapped when the system does another read of the sector. Smartctl after a long test tells me the disk passes the test, so a failure is not imminent. The disk is about a year old now.
All hard drives have a percentage of extra sectors that are used to remap bad sectors to. It's not uncommon for bad sectors to appear and for the drive to still be fine. I would be more worried about the drive temp. That could indicate a mechanical failure if it gets over 50C under load. As always, a backup is a good idea. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 October 2009 04:18:58 am Joop Beris wrote:
Hello list mates,
Recently, I have been seeing the following log entries from smartd: Oct 7 10:07:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 107 to 105 Oct 7 10:07:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 187 Reported_Uncorrect changed from 32 to 26 Oct 7 10:07:57 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], ATA error count increased from 68 to 74 Oct 7 10:37:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors Oct 7 10:37:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 2 Offline uncorrectable sectors
Especially the last two lines worry me. However, Googling tells me that it's not really an issue and that the two pending sectors should be remapped when the system does another read of the sector.
Smartctl after a long test tells me the disk passes the test, so a failure is not imminent. The disk is about a year old now.
Thoughts? Ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Joop
Err, I aways hate to say no, so I won't. But I will tell you that on one very old 10.3 box I have, I have been receiving the following disk errors for at least the past 4 years and it is still just fine: Oct 7 05:23:45 lakehouse smartd[3500]: Device: /dev/sda, 10 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors Oct 7 05:23:45 lakehouse smartd[3500]: Device: /dev/sda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 237 to 243 Oct 7 05:53:45 lakehouse smartd[3500]: Device: /dev/sda, 10 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors Oct 7 05:53:45 lakehouse smartd[3500]: Device: /dev/sda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 243 to 242 You will notice these messages repeat like clockwork every 30 minutes. And, no I am not worried about the data on this box. I'm really kind of curious to see how long it lives like this. It's an ancient dell P3-866 box w(512M) with an old NVidia 5700 Ultra card in it. Runs KDE3+Compiz at blazing speed, even pushing it to a 22" monitor. (I don't want to know what kde4 would do to it:) So, If you are concerned about your data, get a new drive, if this is like a machine for your kids or something and they are just in the playing ages (3-10), then just let it keep going and see what happens. I've been waiting for 4 years and still no melt-down... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 October 2009 09:29:16 am David C. Rankin wrote:
Oct 7 05:23:45 lakehouse smartd[3500]: Device: /dev/sda, 10 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
My understanding of that message when I have seen it is that the drive needs 10 sectors to fix currently unreadable sectors, but in the absence of any more reserved sectors, (reserve exhausted) it has fallen back to simply not using those unreadable sectors. Even tho linux has had the ability to avoid bad sectors for many many years, this is not a good situation to be in. -- __________________________________________________________ Somebody stoled my tag line, so now I have this rental... JSA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 October 2009 01:18:35 pm jsa wrote:
Oct 7 05:23:45 lakehouse smartd[3500]: Device: /dev/sda, 10 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
My understanding of that message when I have seen it is that the drive needs 10 sectors to fix currently unreadable sectors, but in the absence of any more reserved sectors, (reserve exhausted) it has fallen back to simply not using those unreadable sectors.
Even tho linux has had the ability to avoid bad sectors for many many years, this is not a good situation to be in.
I keep trying to kill it, but it won't die! As long as it makes it until November, then I'll buy a new drive for 11.2 ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 October 2009, David C. Rankin wrote:
Err, I aways hate to say no, so I won't. But I will tell you that on one very old 10.3 box I have, I have been receiving the following disk errors for at least the past 4 years and it is still just fine:
Four years!? That's a long time, I was worried that the disk would fail quite soon. Although of course your disk is not my disk... Seeing as yours is an older disk, it might not be uncommon to get bad sectors. However, mine is relatively new, so I think it's a bit early to get bad sectors that can't be remapped.
You will notice these messages repeat like clockwork every 30 minutes. And, no I am not worried about the data on this box. I'm really kind of curious to see how long it lives like this.
Yes, they do appear like clockwork, every 30 minutes. If it was an older system, I think I would be inclined to just let it run.
So, If you are concerned about your data, get a new drive, if this is like a machine for your kids or something and they are just in the playing ages (3-10), then just let it keep going and see what happens. I've been waiting for 4 years and still no melt-down...
I have a good back-up, and can go back four weeks if needed. However, reading the comments in this thread, I will be looking into getting a replacement. Thanks for the advice, Joop -- "When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; when you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft."
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009, 11:18:58 +0200, Joop Beris wrote:
Hello list mates,
Recently, I have been seeing the following log entries from smartd: Oct 7 10:07:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 107 to 105 Oct 7 10:07:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 187 Reported_Uncorrect changed from 32 to 26 Oct 7 10:07:57 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], ATA error count increased from 68 to 74 Oct 7 10:37:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors Oct 7 10:37:56 zaphod smartd[4623]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 2 Offline uncorrectable sectors
Especially the last two lines worry me. However, Googling tells me that it's not really an issue and that the two pending sectors should be remapped when the system does another read of the sector.
Smartctl after a long test tells me the disk passes the test, so a failure is not imminent. The disk is about a year old now.
Thoughts? Ideas?
Similarly to what others have suggested, go and order replacement disks! I had similar issues with a bunch of 1TB disks (I don't want to be officially blamed by the company, so I'm not going to disclose them here, but it's a company from Korea starting with an S...) - I wanted to get 4 new disks, including all the failing disks, I had 14! disks in the end which I had to test myself and manage returning the failing ones... If you don't mind, I'd like to know what kind of model your failing one is; if you don't want to be explicit (like I didn't want to be), just find a smart description, like I did ;-) FWIW, I'm not going to buy any new HD from the not named company!
Thanks in advance,
Joop
HTH, cheers. l8er manfred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello Manfred,
Similarly to what others have suggested, go and order replacement disks!
I will run a full offline test with a utility from the company in question. Should that reveal ANY trouble with the disk, I will order a replacement. After all, it's still under warranty.
I had similar issues with a bunch of 1TB disks (I don't want to be officially blamed by the company, so I'm not going to disclose them here, but it's a company from Korea starting with an S...) - I wanted to get 4 new disks, including all the failing disks, I had 14! disks in the end which I had to test myself and manage returning the failing ones... If you don't mind, I'd like to know what kind of model your failing one is; if you don't want to be explicit (like I didn't want to be), just find a smart description, like I did ;-) FWIW, I'm not going to buy any new HD from the not named company!
Well, smartcl says the following, hope that will satisfy your curiosity: # smartctl -i /dev/sda smartctl 5.39 2008-10-24 22:33 [i686-suse-linux-gnu] (openSUSE RPM) Copyright (C) 2002-8 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 Device Model: ST3500320AS Serial Number: 5QM2V5VX Firmware Version: SD15 User Capacity: 500,107,862,016 bytes Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is: Thu Oct 8 10:04:23 2009 CEST SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled That should satisfy your curiosity, I think? ;-) Thanks for the help, Joop -- "When you just want a system that works, you choose Linux; when you want a system that just works, you choose Microsoft."
Hi Joop, On Thu, 08 Oct 2009, 10:09:29 +0200, Joop Beris wrote:
Hello Manfred,
Similarly to what others have suggested, go and order replacement disks!
I will run a full offline test with a utility from the company in question. Should that reveal ANY trouble with the disk, I will order a replacement. After all, it's still under warranty.
I had similar issues with a bunch of 1TB disks (I don't want to be officially blamed by the company, so I'm not going to disclose them here, but it's a company from Korea starting with an S...) - I wanted to get 4 new disks, including all the failing disks, I had 14! disks in the end which I had to test myself and manage returning the failing ones... If you don't mind, I'd like to know what kind of model your failing one is; if you don't want to be explicit (like I didn't want to be), just find a smart description, like I did ;-) FWIW, I'm not going to buy any new HD from the not named company!
Well, smartcl says the following, hope that will satisfy your curiosity:
# smartctl -i /dev/sda smartctl 5.39 2008-10-24 22:33 [i686-suse-linux-gnu] (openSUSE RPM) Copyright (C) 2002-8 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 Device Model: ST3500320AS Serial Number: 5QM2V5VX Firmware Version: SD15 User Capacity: 500,107,862,016 bytes Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is: Thu Oct 8 10:04:23 2009 CEST SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled
That should satisfy your curiosity, I think? ;-)
Yep, thanks for sending that info. That means there's another company starting with S from which I wouldn't buy a new harddisk anymore... as mine weren't Seagate ones... ;-)
Thanks for the help,
Joop
Cheers. l8er manfred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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