Thunderbird NNTP permission denied error.
Opening the Thunderbird mail client today I was greeted with the following message. A news (NNTP) error occured: Permission denied: To much connection time. 1. I have been having some on again off again issues with the Eternal September Newsgroup server. I will send a message and get a notice that the message can not be sent. I have ended up sending messages message multiple times. Possibly causing distress to the specific group users. Eternal September Server Settings: Server Name > new.eternal-september.org > Port > 119 Eternal September Security Settings: Security Settings > Connection security > none I have added Newsgroup "news.aioe.org" and with this Newsgroup server test messages seem to be sent without error. The test messages sent through "news.aioe.org" do not seem to show in the Eternal September (news.eternal-september.org) mailbox promptly though. This seems to happen intermittently. Obviously due to my lack of experience this could be a settings issue of some nature on my end. I wanted to get your opinions on some possible solutions that I may be able to try to implement here. -Regards
On 10/05/2021 23.51, -pj wrote:
Opening the Thunderbird mail client today I was greeted with the following message.
A news (NNTP) error occured: Permission denied: To much connection time.
Remember to don't leave Thunderbird sitting on the nntp server and close it, perhaps. Or use leafnode instead.
1. I have been having some on again off again issues with the Eternal September Newsgroup server. I will send a message and get a notice that the message can not be sent. I have ended up sending messages message multiple times. Possibly causing distress to the specific group users.
Eternal September Server Settings: Server Name > new.eternal-september.org > Port > 119
Eternal September Security Settings: Security Settings > Connection security > none
I have added Newsgroup "news.aioe.org" and with this Newsgroup server test messages seem to be sent without error. The test messages sent through "news.aioe.org" do not seem to show in the Eternal September (news.eternal-september.org) mailbox promptly though.
This seems to happen intermittently. Obviously due to my lack of experience this could be a settings issue of some nature on my end. I wanted to get your opinions on some possible solutions that I may be able to try to implement here.
Free nntp servers have "quirks" and limitations. They may limit how many posts you send per minute, hour, or day, for instance. I have no personal experience with Eternal September, except that I did not succeed using it. I used nntp.aioe.org (news.aioe.org is their secondary server). You could try freenews.netfront.net, perhaps. Others I had in my list were: xsusenet.com news.mixmin.net www.supernews.com I can not vouch for any. But being free, several nutheads and spammers use it, and as a consequence veteran posters filter out (ie, delete immediately) any post coming from aioe - till they know you and make an exception for you (which is difficult to get, as they don't see you). So in the end I had to use a pay server. News.Individual.NET is only 10€ a year. Or, you may want to set up a proxy nntp server. leafnode is the best. I use it since decades. One advantage is that you can configure several outside servers: if one fails it will try another. However, if a post is rejected you will have to inspect the log or the output directory to find out why and retry (move the file to certain dir, and edit the date) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 5/10/21 7:58 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 10/05/2021 23.51, -pj wrote: >> Opening the Thunderbird mail client today I was greeted with the >> following message. >> >> A news (NNTP) error occured: Permission denied: To much connection time. > > Remember to don't leave Thunderbird sitting on the nntp server and > close it, perhaps. Or use leafnode instead. 1. How can I properly close it? 2. You mean by not leaving Thunderbird on nntp server to maybe adjust the port by one up or down for instance Aioe to 120 from 119? I created some other Thunderbird profiles each containing just one newsgroup. I believe you said that you use News.Individual.Net which costs 10 euros + vat each year: http://news.individual.net/overview.php > >> >> 1. I have been having some on again off again issues with the Eternal >> September Newsgroup server. I will send a message and get a notice that >> the message can not be sent. I have ended up sending messages >> multiple times. Possibly causing distress to the specific group users. >> >> Eternal September Server Settings: Server Name > >> new.eternal-september.org > Port > 119 >> >> Eternal September Security Settings: Security Settings > Connection >> security > none >> >> I have added Newsgroup "news.aioe.org" and with this Newsgroup server >> test messages seem to be sent without error. The test messages sent >> through "news.aioe.org" do not seem to show in the Eternal September >> (news.eternal-september.org) mailbox promptly though. >> >> This seems to happen intermittently. Obviously due to my lack of >> experience this could be a settings issue of some nature on my end. I >> wanted to get your opinions on some possible solutions that I may be >> able to try to implement here. > > Free nntp servers have "quirks" and limitations. > > They may limit how many posts you send per minute, hour, or day, for > instance. I have no personal experience with Eternal September, except > that I did not succeed using it. I used nntp.aioe.org (news.aioe.org > is their secondary server). You could try freenews.netfront.net, > perhaps. Others I had in my list were: > > xsusenet.com Signed up - waited about an hour for verification email. Tons of newsgroups available 130,000 or so. Alas after initial subscription to alt.os.linux.suse > a restart of Thunderbird > xsusenet > get messages is...well not getting messages again as of yet. There is a script error that appears. I will have to look into this more deeply. > news.mixmin.net Didn't test yet. > www.supernews.com Didn't test yet > > I can not vouch for any. > > > But being free, several nutheads and spammers use it, and as a > consequence veteran posters filter out (ie, delete immediately) any > post coming from aioe - till they know you and make an exception for > you (which is difficult to get, as they don't see you). > > So in the end I had to use a pay server. News.Individual.NET is only > 10€ a year. You are able to use SSL then with NEWS.INDIVIDUAL.NET? Do you have this set up with a completely separate profile on Thunderbird? > > > > > > Or, you may want to set up a proxy nntp server. leafnode is the best. > I use it since decades. One advantage is that you can configure > several outside servers: if one fails it will try another. However, if > a post is rejected you will have to inspect the log or the output > directory to find out why and retry (move the file to certain dir, and > edit the date) Would you happen to have any suggestions on what my next possible solution to setting up leafnode in openSUSE (I have not performed searches on this yet)? I installed the leafnode package through YaST. Looks like more of an advanced setup will be required perhaps something in /etc/host/*hosts*. I started some notes on this. Currently bash output is as follows: ~> leafnode absolute path to 'leafnode' is '/usr/sbin/leafnode', so running it may require superuser privaledges (eg, root). I do not think I should run this as root. I am going to have to look more deeply into this. -Kind Regards > >
On 11/05/2021 09.30, -pj wrote:
> On 5/10/21 7:58 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 10/05/2021 23.51, -pj wrote:
>>> Opening the Thunderbird mail client today I was greeted with the
>>> following message.
>>>
>>> A news (NNTP) error occured: Permission denied: To much connection time.
>>
>> Remember to don't leave Thunderbird sitting on the nntp server and
>> close it, perhaps. Or use leafnode instead.
> 1. How can I properly close it?
>
> 2. You mean by not leaving Thunderbird on nntp server to maybe adjust
> the port by one up or down for instance Aioe to 120 from 119? I created
> some other Thunderbird profiles each containing just one newsgroup.
Wow. One profile per newsgroup? Why? There is no need for that. I just
have a single profile with one nntp server and perhaps thirty
newsgroups. And several mail accounts.
I just move the position on the left panel to a mail account.
You could, in "server settings" of the Usenet account disable the "check
every 15 minutes"
I understand that by Thunderbird profile you actually mean a profile and
not an account.
These is the command to see the profiles or start a different one:
thunderbird--ProfileManager --no-remote
>
> I believe you said that you use News.Individual.Net which costs 10 euros
> + vat each year: http://news.individual.net/overview.php
Correct.
...
>> So in the end I had to use a pay server. News.Individual.NET is only
>> 10€ a year.
> You are able to use SSL then with NEWS.INDIVIDUAL.NET? Do you have this
> set up with a completely separate profile on Thunderbird?
I use a single profile for everything.
I don't use ssl. There is little point, as all the conversations on
Usenet are public. Wait, maybe the old version of leafnode does not
support ssl and that's why I don't use it.
But this server does offer SSL, see their config page:
http://news.individual.net/config.php
>> Or, you may want to set up a proxy nntp server. leafnode is the best.
>> I use it since decades. One advantage is that you can configure
>> several outside servers: if one fails it will try another. However, if
>> a post is rejected you will have to inspect the log or the output
>> directory to find out why and retry (move the file to certain dir, and
>> edit the date)
> Would you happen to have any suggestions on what my next possible
> solution to setting up leafnode in openSUSE (I have not performed
> searches on this yet)?
>
> I installed the leafnode package through YaST. Looks like more of an
> advanced setup will be required perhaps something in /etc/host/*hosts*.
> I started some notes on this. Currently bash output is as follows: ~>
> leafnode
>
> absolute path to 'leafnode' is '/usr/sbin/leafnode', so running it may
> require superuser privaledges (eg, root). I do not think I should run
> this as root. I am going to have to look more deeply into this.
No, you don't call "leafnode" directly.
1) A daemon is started automatically when thunderbird tries to connect
to "localhost" at 119. This should be done automatically by leafnode.socket:
Telcontar:~ # systemctl status leafnode.socket
● leafnode.socket - Leafnode NNTP server
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/leafnode.socket; enabled;
vendor preset: disabled)
Active: active (listening) since Tue 2021-05-04 19:49:30 CEST; 6
days ago
Listen: [::]:119 (Stream)
Accepted: 674; Connected: 2
Tasks: 0
CGroup: /leafnode.socket
May 04 19:49:30 Telcontar systemd[1]: Listening on Leafnode NNTP server.
Telcontar:~ #
2) You add a news account on Thunderbird that simply points to localhost
at 119, no security.
3) You configure "/etc/leafnode/config" adding one or more external news
servers. The file has many comments explaining things.
4) Have a look at
/usr/share/doc/packages/leafnode/examples/leafnode-fetch.cron
Copy (and edit) that file to /etc/cron.d/leafnode-fetch.cron
I see missing another cron job that I have and I don't see in the
current rpm, that calls /usr/sbin/texpire once a day. I don't know why
it is missing. If need be, I can share my cron file.
*HOWEVER*
This leafnode is *ancient* and barely maintained. There is a much newer
version (a fork) on the "server:proxy" repository. Version 1 and 2 are
so different that it is impossible to upgrade from one to the other, so
I would recommend you go directly to version 2. Yes, it is not a stable
version. I think I have it installed on another computer, for testing
it. I want to migrate to it this computer but it is a chore.
(version 2 supports ssl, for instance, IIRC)
http://krusty.dt.e-technik.tu-dortmund.de/~ma/leafnode/beta/FAQ.html
There may be a newer one somewhere. Perhaps:
http://krusty.dt.e-technik.tu-dortmund.de/~ma/leafnode/leafnode-2.git/
--
Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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