[opensuse] Recent experience with Ubuntu 9.04, Gnome on openSUSE 11.1, and KDE 4.2.
I spent quite a bit of time comparing Ubuntu 9.04, Gnome on openSUSE 11.1, and KDE 4.2 11.1. I wasn't successful in getting Gnome to work with the Intel 3945 wifi, no matter what I did nor how I did it in Ubuntu. It did work in Gnome on openSUSE 11.1, however. ALL installs were clean....formatted partitions. The lack of configurability in Gnome is VERY apparent when one has been using KDE 3.5 AND newer for a long time. Gnome is VASTLY inferior to KDE 4.2, even though it's not a finished product yet. Yes, there are some things that are better....like a LOT of screen savers and they just work, which is not true of KDE 4.2. Now, as to the differences between Ubuntu/Kubuntu and openSUSE. A friend and writer recently said something to the effect that in Linux, Ubuntu is like an old VW and openSUSE 11.1 is like a Cadillac. I agree. The only problem is, that the "Cadillac" needs to be as easy to install and setup as the "VW" is. THEN, openSUSE will really have something to market! Fred -- The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Fred A. Miller wrote:
I spent quite a bit of time comparing Ubuntu 9.04, Gnome on openSUSE 11.1, and KDE 4.2 11.1.
I wasn't successful in getting Gnome to work with the Intel 3945 wifi, no matter what I did nor how I did it in Ubuntu. It did work in Gnome on openSUSE 11.1, however. ALL installs were clean....formatted partitions. The lack of configurability in Gnome is VERY apparent when one has been using KDE 3.5 AND newer for a long time. Gnome is VASTLY inferior to KDE 4.2, even though it's not a finished product yet. Yes, there are some things that are better....like a LOT of screen savers and they just work, which is not true of KDE 4.2.
Now, as to the differences between Ubuntu/Kubuntu and openSUSE. A friend and writer recently said something to the effect that in Linux, Ubuntu is like an old VW and openSUSE 11.1 is like a Cadillac. I agree. The only problem is, that the "Cadillac" needs to be as easy to install and setup as the "VW" is. THEN, openSUSE will really have something to market!
Fred
I use Kubuntu 9.0.4 (with KDE4.2.2), and the configuration options allowed in KDE4 are not that much better than those available in Gnome, and neither can hold a candle to KDE 3.5.10. Flexibility and reconfigurability is slowly eroding from all the modern desktops. My 'buntu installed very cleanly and worked quite well. I've done both gnome and kde versions. For the market Ubuntu is going after, its probably better suited than is OpenSuse. Its a simple install, with simple configuration options (simpler than Win7 by a lot), and generally does the right thing for the new user. Personally, I think KDE 4.2 and Gnome are tweedle-de and tweedle-dum. I see precious little reason to favor one over the other. Both seem to be racing fast toward the lowest common denominator. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
I use Kubuntu 9.0.4 (with KDE4.2.2), and the configuration options allowed in KDE4 are not that much better than those available in Gnome, and neither can hold a candle to KDE 3.5.10.
Flexibility and reconfigurability is slowly eroding from all the modern desktops.
My 'buntu installed very cleanly and worked quite well. I've done both gnome and kde versions.
For the market Ubuntu is going after, its probably better suited than is OpenSuse. Its a simple install, with simple configuration options (simpler than Win7 by a lot), and generally does the right thing for the new user.
Personally, I think KDE 4.2 and Gnome are tweedle-de and tweedle-dum. I see precious little reason to favor one over the other. Both seem to be racing fast toward the lowest common denominator.
Amen! I've spent the past 5 days with Archlinux duplicating what I do with openSuSE on Arch. I like Fred's Cadillac/VW analogy and it is a fitting comparison. For Arch I would liken openSuSE to the same Cadillac and Arch more to a sports car. Fast, cool, really fun to drive, capable as hell, but you have to know a bit more about what you're doing before you take the wheel. As Gnome and KDE4 rapidly seemingly race toward a windows like finish line, it was nice to find arch still offering a full kde 3.5.10 on their current version with a project dedicated to maintaining it. I have a theory on kde4 though and I hope it comes to pass. Once they take the crayons away from the current gee-whiz lookie-lou team and let core kde developers get in to clean up the mess, kde4 will be snatched from the jaws of failure and the missing core functionality restored... Time will tell. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 April 2009, David C. Rankin wrote:
I have a theory on kde4 though and I hope it comes to pass. Once they take the crayons away from the current gee-whiz lookie-lou team and let core kde developers get in to clean up the mess, kde4 will be snatched from the jaws of failure and the missing core functionality restored...
Time will tell.
Tis to bo hoped because the present state of affairs is very very sick . And i do wish they would extract a finger or two and get Quanta ported cus the only way to get it to play ball right now is do an almost complete kde 3.5.10 install as well as 4.2.2 what sense does that make .simple none at all Pete. -- Opensuse 10.3 x86_64 (Linux is like a wigwam no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
I use Kubuntu 9.0.4 (with KDE4.2.2), and the configuration options allowed in KDE4 are not that much better than those available in Gnome, and neither can hold a candle to KDE 3.5.10.
Flexibility and reconfigurability is slowly eroding from all the modern desktops.
My 'buntu installed very cleanly and worked quite well. I've done both gnome and kde versions.
For the market Ubuntu is going after, its probably better suited than is OpenSuse. Its a simple install, with simple configuration options (simpler than Win7 by a lot), and generally does the right thing for the new user.
Personally, I think KDE 4.2 and Gnome are tweedle-de and tweedle-dum. I see precious little reason to favor one over the other. Both seem to be racing fast toward the lowest common denominator.
Amen!
I've spent the past 5 days with Archlinux duplicating what I do with openSuSE on Arch. I like Fred's Cadillac/VW analogy and it is a fitting comparison. For Arch I would liken openSuSE to the same Cadillac and Arch more to a sports car. Fast, cool, really fun to drive, capable as hell, but you have to know a bit more about what you're doing before you take the wheel. As Gnome and KDE4 rapidly seemingly race toward a windows like finish line, it was nice to find arch still offering a full kde 3.5.10 on their current version with a project dedicated to maintaining it.
I have a theory on kde4 though and I hope it comes to pass. Once they take the crayons away from the current gee-whiz lookie-lou team and let core kde developers get in to clean up the mess, kde4 will be snatched from the jaws of failure and the missing core functionality restored...
I certainly hope so. In the mean time, I'm sticking with OpenSUSE 11.0 & KDE 3. If KDE 4 doesn't signifigantly improve, I won't be upgrading for a *LONG* time. As far as I'm concerned, KDE 4 is currently a show stopper. I hope some of those KDE developers are listening. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:23 AM, James Knott
I certainly hope so. In the mean time, I'm sticking with OpenSUSE 11.0 & KDE 3. If KDE 4 doesn't signifigantly improve, I won't be upgrading for a *LONG* time. As far as I'm concerned, KDE 4 is currently a show stopper. I hope some of those KDE developers are listening.
Careful. They'll start telling us the error of our ways again and about how great KDE4 is and about how we don't need what ever is missing since they have a new way of doing things. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
I spent quite a bit of time comparing Ubuntu 9.04, Gnome on openSUSE 11.1, and KDE 4.2 11.1.
I wasn't successful in getting Gnome to work with the Intel 3945 wifi, no matter what I did nor how I did it in Ubuntu. It did work in Gnome on openSUSE 11.1, however. ALL installs were clean....formatted partitions. The lack of configurability in Gnome is VERY apparent when one has been using KDE 3.5 AND newer for a long time. Gnome is VASTLY inferior to KDE 4.2, even though it's not a finished product yet. Yes, there are some things that are better....like a LOT of screen savers and they just work, which is not true of KDE 4.2.
Now, as to the differences between Ubuntu/Kubuntu and openSUSE. A friend and writer recently said something to the effect that in Linux, Ubuntu is like an old VW and openSUSE 11.1 is like a Cadillac. I agree. The only problem is, that the "Cadillac" needs to be as easy to install and setup as the "VW" is. THEN, openSUSE will really have something to market!
Fred
I use Kubuntu 9.0.4 (with KDE4.2.2), and the configuration options allowed in KDE4 are not that much better than those available in Gnome, and neither can hold a candle to KDE 3.5.10.
That is true, however, I disagree about the difference between Gnome and KDE 4.2.
Flexibility and reconfigurability is slowly eroding from all the modern desktops.
Overall, yes. Have you looked at 'Bloze 7?! IMHO, it's a joke!!
My 'buntu installed very cleanly and worked quite well. I've done both gnome and kde versions.
For the market Ubuntu is going after, its probably better suited than is OpenSuse. Its a simple install, with simple configuration options (simpler than Win7 by a lot), and generally does the right thing for the new user.
With the right hardware, it might.
Personally, I think KDE 4.2 and Gnome are tweedle-de and tweedle-dum. I see precious little reason to favor one over the other. Both seem to be racing fast toward the lowest common denominator.
I hope that KDE won't end up that way. Fred -- Gun-toting Americans are clearly more self-sufficient than the sissy Europeans. This is great news for everyone except Barney Frank, who's always secretly wondered what it would be like to be taken by a Somali pirate. --Ann Coulter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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The lack of configurability in Gnome is VERY apparent when one has been using KDE 3.5 AND newer for a long time.
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