* Cristian Rodríguez [12-16-10 09:47]:

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first page http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=server%3A%2Fmail%2FopenSUSE_11.3_standard%2Fx86_64%2Fimap-2007e_suse-6.1.x86_64.rpm&query=imap

Stay, far, far away from that thing, it is crap AND it is no longer maintained.

What replaces it as it is required? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Op 16-12-10 16:04, Adam Tauno Williams schreef:

On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 09:52 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Cristian Rodríguez [12-16-10 09:47]:

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first page http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=server%3A%2Fmail%2FopenSUSE_11.3_standard%2Fx86_64%2Fimap-2007e_suse-6.1.x86_64.rpm&query=imap

Stay, far, far away from that thing, it is crap AND it is no longer maintained.

What replaces it as it is required?

Cyrus IMAP - the one true IMAP server, accept no substitutes. Fast, stable, and feature complete [full text indexing, separate meta-data databases, shared folders, delayed expunge, SIEVE, duplicate supression, everything else too...] And did I mention *FAST*? Oh, and it actually has management tools as well.

http://www.cyrusimap.org/

hi all who reacted, my mail is a total mess atm... this mail, where i am reacting to is the only mail i got returned; as the rest is probably in /var/mail/ on my unreachable, in a sense of: i cannot login through squirrelmail, to become my mailserver...... so, i have completely lost track of what is written in this thread.... ;-) I am total lost atm, trying to get a password set in dovecot, to be able to loginto squirrelmail.... My whole browser here is full of wiki pages to try to setup a plaintekst password to get in...., to figure out why my mail is not in my home mailbox, and to get it working.. i would prefer a ssl login, but that seems still faraway.... pffff, -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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first page http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=server%3A%2Fmail%2FopenSUSE_11.3_standard%2Fx86_64%2Fimap-2007e_suse-6.1.x86_64.rpm&query=imap

this is for x86_64, will it work on i586? -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Op 16-12-10 18:05, Patrick Shanahan schreef:

* Oddball [12-16-10 11:37]:

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Geeezsh!

GO TO software.opensuse.org/search and search for imap

And CHOOSE the one you think you need.

YOU need to do some thinking, YOURSELF.

accept my frustration and drive on.

frustration accepted, drivin'on...;-) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Cristian Rodríguez [12-16-10 10:11]:

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What replaces it as it is required?

Dovecot

I have/had dovecot installed when I went to xinitd to enable imaps and it still required the install of imaps and offered (I accepted) to automagically install the required package. Does the dovecot package need a bug report and should I remove the imaps package? tks, -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Op 16-12-10 15:45, Cristian Rodríguez schreef:

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Stay, far, far away from that thing, it is crap AND it is no longer maintained.

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Found this in the junkfolder.... I am using 11.2, on i586. Maybe i have to start from scratch, format the server, and startover 'clean'.. All howto's i followed had things that did not work, which was the cause of searching for and following, more than one howto... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Patrick Shanahan [12-16-10 09:42]:

* Oddball [12-16-10 06:27]:

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xinetd needs a package called imap, to enable the service, which can not be found. If this package exists: where would this be? if not: and this should/could be a script: what should be in there, and where should it reside?

Well, you are not looking hard enough!

software.opensuse.org/search imap

first page http://software.opensuse.org/search/download?base=openSUSE%3A11.3&file=server%3A%2Fmail%2FopenSUSE_11.3_standard%2Fx86_64%2Fimap-2007e_suse-6.1.x86_64.rpm&query=imap

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some help greatly appreciated, even from 'oldtimers' who consider me a 'youngster' :-)

I rezembul that remarck

ps: Just to try it, I installed dovecot and squirrelmail, set them up and have them working and enabled the imaps service via yast2/xinitd. I can remotely and locally access my email via mutt/squirrellmail/seamonkey -mail/eudora (on windoz systems only) and my vboxes. It works. But I still prefer sshing into the home machine and accessing my email via mutt in a remote xterm session(putty or ssh). -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [12-16-10 15:09]:

On Thursday, 2010-12-16 at 09:51 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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ps: Just to try it, I installed dovecot and squirrelmail, set them up and have them working and enabled the imaps service via yast2/xinitd.

Are you sure that the imaps service that xinit triggers is dovecot? I don't think so, you probably have set up different imaps services at the same time.

16:13 wahoo:~ > ps aux |grep imap pat 20116 2.2 1.3 393436 54012 ? Sl Dec15 24:41 /usr/bin/akonadi_imap_resource --identifier akonadi_imap_resource_1 dovecot 23009 0.0 0.0 14968 2724 ? S Dec15 1:04 imap-login pat 23012 0.0 0.0 11380 1460 ? S Dec15 0:01 imap dovecot 23013 0.0 0.0 14416 1888 ? S Dec15 0:00 imap-login pat 23015 0.1 0.0 11888 2052 ? S Dec15 1:53 imap dovecot 23016 0.0 0.0 14416 1888 ? S Dec15 0:00 imap-login dovecot 23248 0.0 0.0 14416 1488 ? S Dec14 0:00 imap-login dovecot 23341 0.0 0.0 14968 2556 ? S Dec14 0:00 imap-login -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [12-16-10 16:38]:

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Are you sure that the imaps service that xinit triggers is dovecot? I don't think so, you probably have set up different imaps services at the same time.

16:13 wahoo:~ > ps aux |grep imap pat 20116 2.2 1.3 393436 54012 ? Sl Dec15 24:41 /usr/bin/akonadi_imap_resource --identifier akonadi_imap_resource_1 dovecot 23009 0.0 0.0 14968 2724 ? S Dec15 1:04 imap-login pat 23012 0.0 0.0 11380 1460 ? S Dec15 0:01 imap dovecot 23013 0.0 0.0 14416 1888 ? S Dec15 0:00 imap-login pat 23015 0.1 0.0 11888 2052 ? S Dec15 1:53 imap dovecot 23016 0.0 0.0 14416 1888 ? S Dec15 0:00 imap-login dovecot 23248 0.0 0.0 14416 1488 ? S Dec14 0:00 imap-login dovecot 23341 0.0 0.0 14968 2556 ? S Dec14 0:00 imap-login

The "imap-login" is surely from dovecot, but the other one I don't know, but it must also be from dovecot - as I don't have wu-imap and I get an output similar to yours. It shows without grep:

root 21228 0.0 0.0 6128 712 ? Ss Dec09 0:00 /usr/sbin/dovecot root 21229 0.0 0.0 68788 1660 ? S Dec09 0:00 \_ dovecot-auth root 1638 0.0 0.0 79340 3136 ? S Dec15 0:00 \_ dovecot-auth -w dovecot 11004 0.0 0.0 14408 2272 ? S Dec15 0:00 \_ imap-login dovecot 16832 0.0 0.0 14408 2272 ? S Dec15 0:00 \_ imap-login cer 16884 0.0 0.0 11356 1716 ? S Dec15 0:00 \_ imap

And I certainly do not have imap in xinit.

I removed imap package and dovecot still works and I still have access to remote/local mail via imap. I now have no /etc/init.d/imap*, either, and the service is no longer running. I believe I was following instructions from the internet (?) that included starting imap service via xinit.d and enabling that service required installing imap. Anyway, it apparently is *not* necessary and is now gone :^) And mail still works. Unless I begin serving mail for someone other than myself, I see *no* need for the hoops, dovecot/squirrelmail/imap. Remote access via ssh is sufficient. The only possibility I see atm is being somewhere with *slow* internet service, and that would cause difficulty in either case. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [12-16-10 18:56]:

If mutt serves all your needs, then certainly, mutt via ssh is fine. But there are more uses than accessing email from another machine: I use it because I can read an email with Alpine, then also start Thunderbird and read another email with html, and have both Th and alpine at the same time reading the same folder.

And I can start multiple ssh instances and do the same and/or open multiple xterm screens from a single ssh instance and do the same and/or I can open an ssh instance of screen/tmux and do the same :^)

And the advantage of dovecot for us is that it can read mail folders on your home, and you still can use mutt/alpine to access those folders in the old way, directly. Dovecot can share.

But I can still do the same with less installed software and fewer open ports via ssh :^)

That is, I still can use mail exactly as I did before installing dovecot. The rest of the chain is the same one, unmodified: fetchmail, postfix, amavis, spamassassin, procmail.

This is the primary reason that I began using ssh and I can also open a vncviewer instance and run X directly from my home machine. How is it said, "Many ways to skin a cat" :^) I still find that ssh [-Y} is the simplest. And you could do the same with ssh/pine/alpine/????. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [12-17-10 08:15]:

On 2010-12-17 02:57, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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How is it said, "Many ways to skin a cat" :^)

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And, to add to what I say in the other email, still opened in Alpine, I'm replying to the same post with thunderbird, as you can see in the headers - which you can not do :-)

oh yes, all in multiple sessions with mutt. Mutt opens in read mode and does not lock the files if the external editor is configured. I have never used the internal editor and do not know anyone who does. I have always used jed (preferred as it understands and reformats quoting when edited) or joe, both in ws modes. Many prefer vi/emacs but I come from cp/m. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Carlos E. R. [12-17-10 08:15]:

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I still find that ssh [-Y} is the simplest. And you could do the same with ssh/pine/alpine/????.

No, it doesn't work. Alpine sees the previous alpine session, takes the lock, and the first session becomes read-only. The inbox file is what it checks. It should be possible to work r/w on different folders, but the detection is done on the inbox only.

Ah, a mutt plus :^) Mutt opens in the read mode and initiates editing (if external editor is configured) externally. I can opens and read/reply to the same msg as many instances as I wish and/or tag several msgs to combine into a single reply with each quoted. but we have wandered far from the posted Subject and should start another thread or stop :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org