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On 22 Mar 2002, Fred A. Miller wrote:
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Because of the price, SuSE will no longer be able to package StarOffice with SuSE either, at least with Personal. I wonder if SuSE will work out some sort of deal with Sun in order to be able to package it with Professional. -- Karol Pietrzak PGP KeyID: 3A1446A0
Because of the price, SuSE will no longer be able to package StarOffice with SuSE either, at least with Personal. I wonder if SuSE will work out some sort of deal with Sun in order to be able to package it with Professional.
i am in love with hancom office www.hancom.com/en
Hi Landy, Still haven't had time to try your fsck suggestion <grin> I wonder if you could comment on these observations made by Mike Reith today: "The trial version looks very promising. Promising is the operative word, rather than functional. I saved the Word app for last, finding the others very satisfying. When I opened the Word app, the pull-down menus were tucked halfway under the title bar, the fonts within the pull-down aspects were overlapped, and the fonts were absolutely buggy in the internal windows. Thinking this might be anti-aliasing, I disabled it, and tried various other system fonts. No help. Too bad, actually, as the suite looked so promising. Admittedly, HancomWord 6 is a beta." I'm guessing that as you like Hancom ALOT that you aren't seeing these problems is that right? Regards, Jethro [STILL IN SEARCH OF THE PERFECT REPLACEMENT FOR SO5.2] On Sunday 24 March 2002 12:04, Landy Roman wrote:
Because of the price, SuSE will no longer be able to package StarOffice with SuSE either, at least with Personal. I wonder if SuSE will work out some sort of deal with Sun in order to be able to package it with Professional.
i am in love with hancom office
www.hancom.com/en
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:57:02 +0800 Jethro Cramp <jsc@rock-tnsc.com> wrote:
Hi Landy,
Still haven't had time to try your fsck suggestion <grin> I wonder if you could comment on these observations made by Mike Reith today:
try it yourself and you will see it is functional, ready and is the desktop hope for linux
Hi I've been using Hancom Office standard on my own desktop for a month now. Along with Abiword, Koffice and Star Office. Not quite got used to Hancom office yet. Purely from the look alike point of view it looks a lot like MS Word 97 and other parts of the program are similar to the MS stuff. Works well on my notebook which has plug in SuSE and Debian GNU/Linux hard drives. Both Hancom office and Star Office work well under Debian. Recently I had a longish chat to one of the developers in New York. He says that the aim of the whole project is to produce a low cost office suite which will be cross platform and replace propieretary software which is far too expensive .. he says. So, this sounds good to me. My own opinion is that if SuSE Gmbh were to do a deal with the developers and Hancom to include it into the CDs it would be a good thing alongside Koffice, Abiword and Open Office. Thanks -- Richard www.sheflug.co.uk
try it yourself and you will see it is functional, ready and is the desktop hope for linux ================================= I have Hancom Office 2.0 Professional (bought it for $50 at LinuxWorld in NYC). It appears ready, reasonably functinal (quite fast to load actually), but I'm not so sure it's THE desktop hope for linux. I tried importing a 55 page Excel Budget document and the program repeatedly crashed w/o opening it. Admittedly it was a fairly complex budget document, but SO has been opening the same document, edits it, and saves both natively and as a usable Excel file, since 5.0. Flawlessly!! Word docs open quite nicely, although they required a little bit of tweaking to get exactly correct, especially if there are tables or tricky templates. SO typically has needed no tweaking what-so-ever, but takes a bit longer (2 seconds, perhaps) to open the .doc. In opening PowerPoint shows, Hancom opens them and edits them well (I find this portionof the suite more intuitive and easier to use the SO) but does not retain things like slide color (they're all white!!) or animation formatting. SO opens them w/o a hitch and runs them well, if a little bit choppy (as if it's stuttering while it "thinks". Overall, my nod goes to SO (though it too has its flaws) I've been running 6.0 beta for several months now and can't quite
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 06:19:38 -0500 (EST) "Landy Roman" <landy@despiertapr.com> scribbled in frustration: <snip> figure why it's "beta". Without import/export in the equation, Hancom has produced an equally admirable product that I have found to open and run a bit faster than SO. Just my $0.02, Mike -- "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Benjamin Franklin
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:23:37 -0500 Michael Scottaline <mscottaline@mail.nbsd.org> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 06:19:38 -0500 (EST) "Landy Roman" <landy@despiertapr.com> scribbled in frustration:
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try it yourself and you will see it is functional, ready and is the desktop hope for linux================================= I have Hancom Office 2.0 Professional (bought it for $50 at LinuxWorld in NYC). It appears ready, reasonably functinal (quite fast to load
THE hancom office you bought for 50 was not a final release.... maybe the fault is not with hancom but with microsoft excel you see, you can judge an application on the fact the microsoft documents don't open, microsoft puts great effort for that to happend
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:26:16 -0500 (EST) "Landy Roman" <landy@despiertapr.com> scribbled informatively:
THE hancom office you bought for 50 was not a final release.... ============================
True indeed!! But, then again, neither is the SO 6.0 *beta* that I've been using ;o) =============================
maybe the fault is not with hancom but with microsoft excel you see, you can judge an application on the fact the microsoft documents don't open, microsoft puts great effort for that to happend
================================== Yes..., that's why in my last posting I did allow that w/o the import/export issue we can judge both SO and HO on a more even footing. But for me, as an educator, those filters are essential for me. Although a small (but thankfully growing) number of our students use Linux, the overwhelming majority use M$. If they forward me essays and papers to edit or comment on, I have to be able to import and then export just about flawlessly (with my comments in red ;o) ). SO has been doing that for me for several years now. As an administrator I must deal with dozens of secretaries, assistants, and other administrators *ALL* of whom use M$ (I'm the outsider here and I refuse to dual boot; I've been suing Linux exclusively for almost three years now and SO has really made tha possible). I do agree that Hancom is a very nice product. It does some things very impressively and is noticeably faster than SO 6.0 beta. But for my specific needs, right now, SO is more functional. I've downloaded all of the upgrades thus far for HO, but I don't think the *final* version of 2.0 Professional has actually been released yet (they had told me two weeks back at the end of January, but I think all contractors use that as a standard wait ;o) ) At least the Linux world gives us CHOICE, no??? <g> Best, Mike -- "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Benjamin Franklin
for my specific needs, right now, SO is more functional. I've downloaded all of the upgrades thus far for HO, but I don't think the *final* version of 2.0 Professional has actually been released yet (they had told me two weeks back at the end of January, but I think all contractors use that as a standard wait ;o) )
At least the Linux world gives us CHOICE, no??? <g>
i order the professional version online and got an email from customer service that there is a delay and should be ready for mid April. i think they were working on mobile office which will be in the sharp pda coming out soon... so far the valuation version i love!!!!!
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:56:15 -0500 Michael Scottaline <mscottaline@mail.nbsd.org> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:26:16 -0500 (EST) "Landy Roman" <landy@despiertapr.com> scribbled informatively:
those having the seg-fault error in the instalation script try upgrading you qt lib.... i just tried it in my sons pc and got that error my pc is fine but i have a higher qt version
I got the same problem with ovelaps, and almost nonvisible menubuttons... I thought it had something to de woth my "tweaked" X isntalation, and the fact that i am using Xinarama on a Matrox G400DH with the Matrox Pdesk utility. Some other apps misbehave too, but not in that way tho.. Will reinstall Hancom (removed it) and test it some more. As for SO 5.2, it works for me. The 6.0 Beta is NOT behaving properly with Xinerama The fonts get all fckd up if i move or start it on Desktop2 -- /Rikard --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rikard Johnels email : rjhn@linux.nu mob : +46 70 464 99 39 --------------------------Public PGP fingerprint------------------------------ < 15 28 DF 78 67 98 B2 16 1F D3 FD C5 59 D4 B6 78 46 1C EE 56 >
Rikard, I'm running an ancient Nvidia GeForce256. Interesting to note that we have the same problem with overlaps and nonvisible menubuttons. In that the video driver does not seem to be the problem, nor anti-aliased fonts, I am assuming some underling library file that I have failed to upgrade. Mike Reith On Sunday 24 March 2002 11:22, Rikard Johnels wrote:
I got the same problem with ovelaps, and almost nonvisible menubuttons... I thought it had something to de woth my "tweaked" X isntalation, and the fact that i am using Xinarama on a Matrox G400DH with the Matrox Pdesk utility. Some other apps misbehave too, but not in that way tho..
Will reinstall Hancom (removed it) and test it some more.
As for SO 5.2, it works for me. The 6.0 Beta is NOT behaving properly with Xinerama The fonts get all fckd up if i move or start it on Desktop2
On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 10:47:37PM -0500, Karol Pietrzak wrote:
On 22 Mar 2002, Fred A. Miller wrote:
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Because of the price, SuSE will no longer be able to package StarOffice with SuSE either, at least with Personal. I wonder if SuSE will work out some sort of deal with Sun in order to be able to package it with Professional.
One office package I look forward to trying it gobo Productive. http://www.gobe.com/products/productive/gobeproductive.html These people originally created ClarisWorks and then did a highly regarded suite for BeOS. The windows version is available today and I think the Linux version will be out this summer. One of the nice ideas they incorporate is an end to file types. Every document, spreadsheet, presentation, whatever is an object that is filled in with the components that it needs. IMHO this is the right way to do it. The big concern I have is how the filters work, which is what has been holding back every product that tries to compete with MS Office. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MSCE, N+ you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one Got spam? Get SPASTIC http://spastic.sourceforge.net
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