[opensuse] 12.3 -- why USB HDD not being seen by Midnight Commander?
I have an external SATA3 2TB Western Digital HDD which is formatted (at the moment) in ntfs. When I switch it on Dolphin opens this HDD and I can see all the files it contains. But unlike what I got in 12.2 when I start mc (Midnight Commander, my much preferred file manager) mc doesn't 'see' this HDD. In 12.2 it used to be mounted in /media/<name of HDD> . In /etc/filesystem I have 'ntfs' as an addition to the list of file systems. So, why isn't the HDD mounted in /media as in the past? Any clues, please? BC PS The HDD is also recognised in XP and accessible by all file managers (which I have in XP). -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.10.1 & kernel 3.8.2-2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-03-16 16:46 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:
I have an external SATA3 2TB Western Digital HDD which is formatted (at the moment) in ntfs.
When I switch it on Dolphin opens this HDD and I can see all the files it contains.
But unlike what I got in 12.2 when I start mc (Midnight Commander, my much preferred file manager) mc doesn't 'see' this HDD. In 12.2 it used to be mounted in /media/<name of HDD> .
In /etc/filesystem I have 'ntfs' as an addition to the list of file systems.
So, why isn't the HDD mounted in /media as in the past?
Any clues, please?
Since I nearly always mount my externals manually, and in runlevel 3, I'm unfamiliar how in X auto-mounting does or should work with eSATA devices. MC only fails for me if I forget to mount first. :-) Nevertheless I'm going to take a stab in hopes of getting you going somewhere and say it's likely to do with udisks and/or udisks2. On 12.3 you may have one installed and need the other either also or instead. [on 12.2] gx280# zypper se -s udisk S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository --+------------------------+------------+--------------+--------+----------- i | libudisks2-0 | package | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | i586 | Updates v | libudisks2-0 | package | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | i586 | Updates v | libudisks2-0 | package | 1.97.0-2.2.2 | i586 | OSS | typelib-1_0-UDisks-2_0 | package | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | i586 | Updates | typelib-1_0-UDisks-2_0 | package | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | i586 | Updates | typelib-1_0-UDisks-2_0 | package | 1.97.0-2.2.2 | i586 | OSS i | udisks | package | 1.0.4-7.2.2 | i586 | OSS | udisks-devel | package | 1.0.4-7.2.2 | i586 | OSS i | udisks-glue | package | 1.3.1-84.1.2 | i586 | OSS i | udisks2 | package | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | i586 | Updates v | udisks2 | package | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | i586 | Updates v | udisks2 | package | 1.97.0-2.2.2 | i586 | OSS | udisks2 | srcpackage | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | noarch | Updates | udisks2 | srcpackage | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | noarch | Updates | udisks2-devel | package | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | i586 | Updates | udisks2-devel | package | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | i586 | Updates | udisks2-devel | package | 1.97.0-2.2.2 | i586 | OSS | udisks2-lang | package | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | noarch | Updates | udisks2-lang | package | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | noarch | Updates | udisks2-lang | package | 1.97.0-2.2.2 | noarch | OSS [on 12.3] gx280# zypper se -s udisk S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository --+------------------------+---------+--------------+--------+----------- i | libudisks2-0 | package | 2.0.0-5.1.1 | i586 | OSS | typelib-1_0-UDisks-2_0 | package | 2.0.0-5.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks | package | 1.0.4-11.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks-devel | package | 1.0.4-11.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks-glue | package | 1.3.1-86.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks2 | package | 2.0.0-5.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks2-devel | package | 2.0.0-5.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks2-lang | package | 2.0.0-5.1.1 | noarch | OSS -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/03/13 17:51, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-03-16 16:46 (GMT+1100) Basil Chupin composed:
I have an external SATA3 2TB Western Digital HDD which is formatted (at the moment) in ntfs.
When I switch it on Dolphin opens this HDD and I can see all the files it contains.
But unlike what I got in 12.2 when I start mc (Midnight Commander, my much preferred file manager) mc doesn't 'see' this HDD. In 12.2 it used to be mounted in /media/<name of HDD> .
In /etc/filesystem I have 'ntfs' as an addition to the list of file systems.
So, why isn't the HDD mounted in /media as in the past?
Any clues, please?
Since I nearly always mount my externals manually, and in runlevel 3, I'm unfamiliar how in X auto-mounting does or should work with eSATA devices. MC only fails for me if I forget to mount first. :-)
Nevertheless I'm going to take a stab in hopes of getting you going somewhere and say it's likely to do with udisks and/or udisks2. On 12.3 you may have one installed and need the other either also or instead.
[on 12.2] gx280# zypper se -s udisk S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository --+------------------------+------------+--------------+--------+-----------
i | libudisks2-0 | package | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | i586 | Updates v | libudisks2-0 | package | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | i586 | Updates v | libudisks2-0 | package | 1.97.0-2.2.2 | i586 | OSS | typelib-1_0-UDisks-2_0 | package | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | i586 | Updates | typelib-1_0-UDisks-2_0 | package | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | i586 | Updates | typelib-1_0-UDisks-2_0 | package | 1.97.0-2.2.2 | i586 | OSS i | udisks | package | 1.0.4-7.2.2 | i586 | OSS | udisks-devel | package | 1.0.4-7.2.2 | i586 | OSS i | udisks-glue | package | 1.3.1-84.1.2 | i586 | OSS i | udisks2 | package | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | i586 | Updates v | udisks2 | package | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | i586 | Updates v | udisks2 | package | 1.97.0-2.2.2 | i586 | OSS | udisks2 | srcpackage | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | noarch | Updates | udisks2 | srcpackage | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | noarch | Updates | udisks2-devel | package | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | i586 | Updates | udisks2-devel | package | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | i586 | Updates | udisks2-devel | package | 1.97.0-2.2.2 | i586 | OSS | udisks2-lang | package | 1.97.0-2.9.1 | noarch | Updates | udisks2-lang | package | 1.97.0-2.5.1 | noarch | Updates | udisks2-lang | package | 1.97.0-2.2.2 | noarch | OSS
[on 12.3] gx280# zypper se -s udisk S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository --+------------------------+---------+--------------+--------+----------- i | libudisks2-0 | package | 2.0.0-5.1.1 | i586 | OSS | typelib-1_0-UDisks-2_0 | package | 2.0.0-5.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks | package | 1.0.4-11.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks-devel | package | 1.0.4-11.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks-glue | package | 1.3.1-86.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks2 | package | 2.0.0-5.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks2-devel | package | 2.0.0-5.1.1 | i586 | OSS | udisks2-lang | package | 2.0.0-5.1.1 | noarch | OSS
Thanks, Felix, I'll install udisks later to see what happens but for the moment I found where the darn HDD is hiding - a place I would never had even guessed if my life depended on it :-( . What a *STUPID* place for 12.3 to mount it! :-( . See my response to Michael Norman. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.10.1 & kernel 3.8.2-3 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
В Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:46:43 +1100 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> пишет:
I have an external SATA3 2TB Western Digital HDD which is formatted (at the moment) in ntfs.
When I switch it on Dolphin opens this HDD and I can see all the files it contains.
But unlike what I got in 12.2 when I start mc (Midnight Commander, my much preferred file manager) mc doesn't 'see' this HDD. In 12.2 it used to be mounted in /media/<name of HDD> .
Well, then use "df" to find out where your DE mounts it. Most likely it is /run/media/<your-user-name>/<device-label>
In /etc/filesystem I have 'ntfs' as an addition to the list of file systems.
So, why isn't the HDD mounted in /media as in the past?
This is question to those who write this software, not to those who use it.
Any clues, please?
BC
PS The HDD is also recognised in XP and accessible by all file managers (which I have in XP).
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On 16/03/13 07:08, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
В Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:46:43 +1100 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> пишет:
I have an external SATA3 2TB Western Digital HDD which is formatted (at the moment) in ntfs.
When I switch it on Dolphin opens this HDD and I can see all the files it contains.
But unlike what I got in 12.2 when I start mc (Midnight Commander, my much preferred file manager) mc doesn't 'see' this HDD. In 12.2 it used to be mounted in /media/<name of HDD> .
Well, then use "df" to find out where your DE mounts it. Most likely it is /run/media/<your-user-name>/<device-label>
In /etc/filesystem I have 'ntfs' as an addition to the list of file systems.
So, why isn't the HDD mounted in /media as in the past?
This is question to those who write this software, not to those who use it.
Any clues, please?
BC
PS The HDD is also recognised in XP and accessible by all file managers (which I have in XP).
I don't know why it is but on my 12.3 such externaal drives now get mounted in /home/michael/media/name of drive
Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/03/13 19:30, michael norman wrote:
On 16/03/13 07:08, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
� Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:46:43 +1100 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> �����:
I have an external SATA3 2TB Western Digital HDD which is formatted (at the moment) in ntfs.
When I switch it on Dolphin opens this HDD and I can see all the files it contains.
But unlike what I got in 12.2 when I start mc (Midnight Commander, my much preferred file manager) mc doesn't 'see' this HDD. In 12.2 it used to be mounted in /media/<name of HDD> .
Well, then use "df" to find out where your DE mounts it. Most likely it is /run/media/<your-user-name>/<device-label>
In /etc/filesystem I have 'ntfs' as an addition to the list of file systems.
So, why isn't the HDD mounted in /media as in the past?
This is question to those who write this software, not to those who use it.
Any clues, please?
BC
PS The HDD is also recognised in XP and accessible by all file managers (which I have in XP).
I don't know why it is but on my 12.3 such externaal drives now get mounted in /home/michael/media/name of drive
Thanks Michael - it wasn't there. In a moment of exceptional inspiration [tm] ( :-) ) I used Dolphin itself to find it (by looking at the HDDs Properties). The darn this is mounted in: /var/run/media/<my-login-name>/ Why there, for chrissake?! At least I found it. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.10.1 & kernel 3.8.2-3 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
On 16/03/13 19:30, michael norman wrote:
On 16/03/13 07:08, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
� Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:46:43 +1100 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> �����:
I have an external SATA3 2TB Western Digital HDD which is formatted (at the moment) in ntfs.
When I switch it on Dolphin opens this HDD and I can see all the files it contains.
But unlike what I got in 12.2 when I start mc (Midnight Commander, my much preferred file manager) mc doesn't 'see' this HDD. In 12.2 it used to be mounted in /media/<name of HDD> .
Well, then use "df" to find out where your DE mounts it. Most likely it is /run/media/<your-user-name>/<device-label>
In /etc/filesystem I have 'ntfs' as an addition to the list of file
systems.
So, why isn't the HDD mounted in /media as in the past?
This is question to those who write this software, not to those who use it.
Any clues, please?
BC
PS The HDD is also recognised in XP and accessible by all file managers (which I have in XP).
I don't know why it is but on my 12.3 such externaal drives now get mounted in /home/michael/media/name of drive
Thanks Michael - it wasn't there. In a moment of exceptional inspiration [tm] ( :-) ) I used Dolphin itself to find it (by looking at the HDDs Properties).
The darn this is mounted in:
/var/run/media/<my-login-name>/
Why there, for chrissake?!
At least I found it.
BC
Basil, How are you making it mount in the first place without dolphin? When I connect an external drive with 12.3 I am asked by a notifier if I want to open the drive in dolphin. If I say no, it doesn't mount at all. :( Verified by that very simple command "mount". If I then open dolphin and click on the drive on the left side, it gets mounted where you say, but also in /run/media/<my-user-name>. I do most of my production work on external drives from the command line so having to jump to dolphin is a pain. Especially if I'm using a terminal console (cntrl-alt-f2, etc.) Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [03-16-13 09:30]: [...]
I do most of my production work on external drives from the command line so having to jump to dolphin is a pain. Especially if I'm using a terminal console (cntrl-alt-f2, etc.)
istr that you can set specific drives to automagically mount when attached. You can also immediately after attaching the drive: demsg |tail |grep sd mount -t auto <result-from-above> /<choice-location> or simply add device by lable/id to /etc/fstab -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/03/13 00:37, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> [03-16-13 09:30]: [...]
I do most of my production work on external drives from the command line so having to jump to dolphin is a pain. Especially if I'm using a terminal console (cntrl-alt-f2, etc.) istr that you can set specific drives to automagically mount when attached. You can also immediately after attaching the drive: demsg |tail |grep sd mount -t auto <result-from-above> /<choice-location>
or simply add device by lable/id to /etc/fstab
I'll mull this over thanks, Patrick. But the question remains: why the heck change the mount point from /media where it has been for years? The mind boggles. As someone said of grub2: "overengineered". BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.10.1 & kernel 3.8.2-3 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/03/13 00:28, Greg Freemyer wrote:
Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
On 16/03/13 19:30, michael norman wrote:
On 16/03/13 07:08, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
� Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:46:43 +1100 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> �����:
I have an external SATA3 2TB Western Digital HDD which is formatted (at the moment) in ntfs.
When I switch it on Dolphin opens this HDD and I can see all the files it contains.
But unlike what I got in 12.2 when I start mc (Midnight Commander, my much preferred file manager) mc doesn't 'see' this HDD. In 12.2 it used to be mounted in /media/<name of HDD> .
Well, then use "df" to find out where your DE mounts it. Most likely it is /run/media/<your-user-name>/<device-label>
In /etc/filesystem I have 'ntfs' as an addition to the list of file systems.
So, why isn't the HDD mounted in /media as in the past?
This is question to those who write this software, not to those who use it.
Any clues, please?
BC
PS The HDD is also recognised in XP and accessible by all file managers (which I have in XP).
I don't know why it is but on my 12.3 such externaal drives now get mounted in /home/michael/media/name of drive Thanks Michael - it wasn't there. In a moment of exceptional inspiration [tm] ( :-) ) I used Dolphin itself to find it (by looking at the HDDs Properties).
The darn this is mounted in:
/var/run/media/<my-login-name>/
Why there, for chrissake?!
At least I found it.
BC Basil,
How are you making it mount in the first place without dolphin?
When I connect an external drive with 12.3 I am asked by a notifier if I want to open the drive in dolphin.
If I say no, it doesn't mount at all. :(
Verified by that very simple command "mount".
If I then open dolphin and click on the drive on the left side, it gets mounted where you say, but also in /run/media/<my-user-name>.
I do most of my production work on external drives from the command line so having to jump to dolphin is a pain. Especially if I'm using a terminal console (cntrl-alt-f2, etc.)
Greg
In System Settings>Removable Devices I have Mount Device When Attached selected, and when I switch it on - or plugin a USB memory stick - Dolphin asks me if I want to open the device using Dolphin. And, as you say, if I ignore Dolphin's question the device is NOT mounted and I then have to mount it manually. But what is now occurring is that when Dolphin goes to read the device the device is mounted in /var...... and not simply in /media/<ID-of-the-device> where these devices have been mounted for many years. My preferred file manager since I started fooling around with Linux has been mc which I use for 99.9% of the time. So when I plug-in a USB stick or switch on the external HDD I allow Dolphin to access it then I close down Dolphin and use mc. Seeing as how USB devices are mounted in /var/..... I juat may create a symlink in /media because after all these years going to /media to access the device is second nature - AND it requires less keystrokes to get to the mounted device! BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.10.1 & kernel 3.8.2-3 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-03-16 14:15, Basil Chupin wrote:
The darn this is mounted in:
/var/run/media/<my-login-name>/
Why there, for chrissake?!
At least I found it.
This has been commented for a long time, I have been reading of this change since months. It is an upstream decision, somewhere. They think it is better to have the username in the mount point. Why not /media/user/label_or_something, don't ask me. :-(( - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlFEeqEACgkQIvFNjefEBxoilgCdHBa/XZfpiQLiFenXRHIFMbp2 WCQAoMESLBVqN4r1fEa2LrCvsAmjT5yu =5/LZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/03/13 00:58, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2013-03-16 14:15, Basil Chupin wrote:
The darn this is mounted in:
/var/run/media/<my-login-name>/
Why there, for chrissake?!
At least I found it. This has been commented for a long time, I have been reading of this change since months. It is an upstream decision, somewhere.
They think it is better to have the username in the mount point. Why not /media/user/label_or_something, don't ask me.
:-((
Which is why people living close to rivers try and get upstream so that they don't get all the crap coming down from upstream. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.10.1 & kernel 3.8.2-3 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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