[opensuse] Re: Which kernel
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/02/06 06:01 (GMT+0100) Anders Johansson composed:
On Sunday 05 February 2012 18:57:57 Felix Miata wrote:
...proprietary NVidia already installed; accordingly, xorg.conf was created consistent with NVidia custom high DPI operation...
kernel-desktop is a good choice for a desktop machine.
It used to be it was clear that was the case. Or maybe it was recently changed so that is now the case. I can't remember which, but I do remember there was a change discussed either here and/or on the factory list.
Executive Summary for Bob: -- Keep kernel-desktop and delete kernel-default. -- If you don't do so already, use the NVidia kmp packages from the community repository. For Felix: Maybe you mean this discussion: A few months ago, it was mentioned here that kernel-desktop is now the "new default" and should be used in most circumstances. kernel-default is primarly supplied for old hardware that doesn't have PAE capabilities. That the name "kernel-default" stuck for the non-default kernel and that the two names were not switched was then attested as unfortunate. It is something that the devs contemplated to change for enhanced clarity, but then decided that it was too much hassle for the gain. AFAIR, there were too many problems with dependencies or something like that. HTH, Joachim PS: Ignore BC, put him in a kill-file. It's better for your health. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/6/2012 8:53 AM, Joachim Schrod wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/02/06 06:01 (GMT+0100) Anders Johansson composed:
On Sunday 05 February 2012 18:57:57 Felix Miata wrote:
...proprietary NVidia already installed; accordingly, xorg.conf was created consistent with NVidia custom high DPI operation...
kernel-desktop is a good choice for a desktop machine.
It used to be it was clear that was the case. Or maybe it was recently changed so that is now the case. I can't remember which, but I do remember there was a change discussed either here and/or on the factory list.
Executive Summary for Bob: -- Keep kernel-desktop and delete kernel-default. -- If you don't do so already, use the NVidia kmp packages from the community repository.
For Felix: Maybe you mean this discussion:
A few months ago, it was mentioned here that kernel-desktop is now the "new default" and should be used in most circumstances. kernel-default is primarly supplied for old hardware that doesn't have PAE capabilities.
That the name "kernel-default" stuck for the non-default kernel and that the two names were not switched was then attested as unfortunate. It is something that the devs contemplated to change for enhanced clarity, but then decided that it was too much hassle for the gain. AFAIR, there were too many problems with dependencies or something like that.
HTH, Joachim
PS: Ignore BC, put him in a kill-file. It's better for your health.
I don't really think kernel-default is for old hardware. I run it exclusively*, on brand new hardware, because I run servers that I need optimized for throughput instead of for latency, and because I need features that they disable in the desktop kernel because they see them as unnecessary overhead for a desktop user. Then again, the primary missing feature I needed was cgroups and I imagine 12.1's desktop kernel must have cgroups for systemd. I confess I've avoided 12.1 like the plague so far, so maybe in 12.1 the difference between the two variants is less than it used to be. * (On older hardware with enough ram I run kernel-pae which is basically the 32 bit kernel-default with pae.) -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/02/06 14:53 (GMT+0100) Joachim Schrod composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/02/06 06:01 (GMT+0100) Anders Johansson composed:
kernel-desktop is a good choice for a desktop machine.
It used to be it was clear that was the case. Or maybe it was recently changed so that is now the case. I can't remember which, but I do remember there was a change discussed either here and/or on the factory list.
Executive Summary for Bob: -- Keep kernel-desktop and delete kernel-default. -- If you don't do so already, use the NVidia kmp packages from the community repository.
For Felix: Maybe you mean this discussion:
Exactly!
A few months ago, it was mentioned here that kernel-desktop is now the "new default" and should be used in most circumstances. kernel-default is primarly supplied for old hardware that doesn't have PAE capabilities.
That the name "kernel-default" stuck for the non-default kernel and that the two names were not switched was then attested as unfortunate. It is something that the devs contemplated to change for enhanced clarity, but then decided that it was too much hassle for the gain. AFAIR, there were too many problems with dependencies or something like that.
It would help if the remaining purpose of kernel-default was described better in its YaST/RPM description, particularly lack of PAE support, and what that means. Bless you Joachim, and all who hold you dear! -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Executive Summary for Bob: -- Keep kernel-desktop and delete kernel-default. -- If you don't do so already, use the NVidia kmp packages from the community repository.
A few months ago, it was mentioned here that kernel-desktop is now the "new default" and should be used in most circumstances. kernel-default is primarly supplied for old hardware that doesn't have PAE capabilities.
That the name "kernel-default" stuck for the non-default kernel and that the two names were not switched was then attested as unfortunate. It is something that the devs contemplated to change for enhanced clarity, but then decided that it was too much hassle for the gain. AFAIR, there were too many problems with dependencies or something like that.
It would help if the remaining purpose of kernel-default was described better in its YaST/RPM description, particularly lack of PAE support, and what that means.
Bless you Joachim, and all who hold you dear! --
I have missed some of the posts in this thread, so I hope that my question hasn't been covered already. If kernel-desktop is recommended for desktops, which kernel do you recommend for laptops? Thanks, and this isn't a trick question. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 06 February 2012 23:01:13 Mark Misulich wrote:
I have missed some of the posts in this thread, so I hope that my question hasn't been covered already. If kernel-desktop is recommended for desktops, which kernel do you recommend for laptops?
Thanks, and this isn't a trick question.
kernel-desktop is good for laptops as well. There isn't a special kernel built for laptops. kernel-desktop has the laptop-interesting things like "tickless kernel" thing built in, which is supposed to be good for battery life There is a laptop pattern though, which gives you some useful packages, but that should be preselected by the installer if it detects that you are on a laptop Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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