On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:03:05 +0530, Stan Goodman wrote:

That's one way, and others have suggested it, but it adds an additional stage that I don't need. The simplest way is the local mailbox.

i also missed that option in kmail. when i set up my fetchmail / dovecot arrangement (about 1 year ago) that's what i would have wanted. but now i like being able to use any email client to access all my mail, even from a different machine. since i'm using KDE factory most of the time, kmail once in a while becomes useless; then i can use pine or thunderbird or whatever. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 12:15:24 on Thursday Thursday 11 November 2010, Dylan wrote:

On Thursday 11 Nov 2010, Stan Goodman wrote:

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I have been using Kmail in the conventional way, i.e. retrieving mail from the three remote servers through the 'Net.

Now I wish instead for fetchmail to do that, and to feed its output to procmail, which will perform some filtering operations before making its output available to Kmail

The way procmail does this is to deposit its mail into file(s) in a dedicated directory in the user's home directory tree, and this is where kmail should come to pick it up. My question is about how to configure Kmail to do that, rather than retrieving mail as it does now, directly from remote servers, whether configuring from the Account Settings of Kmail, or from manipulating some configuration file of Kmail.

I've asked this question on the KDE-PIM list, which seemed like the most likely place to get answers, but the reaction there has been to change the subject. I have also come up dry from a Google search.

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Add (button) ... ? When you do, Kmail gives you two different local

Have you tried Settings > Configure Kmail > Accounts > Receiving (tab) options - "Local mailbox" and "Maildir mailbox" ...

I must have seen that window dozens of times, if not more, and actually "saw" anything past "POP". Thank you for pointing it out. Apparently it has gone over many other heads as well, because in KDE-PIM only one mentioned "Local Mailbox" which I interpreted as meaning the kind of arrangement I was seekting, but not adding anything to how to do it. Local Mailbox is exactly what I want. Thanks. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:47:59 +0530, phanisvara das wrote:

the easiest way i'm aware of is by running an IMAP server on your box. i'm using dovecot, which is pretty easy to set up. then you connect with kmail to localhost, retrieving the mail via IMAP. there's an extensive thread about this here: [code]http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/applications/447542-need-ma... [/code]

the interesting part starts here: [code]http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/applications/447542-need-ma... [/code] -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 12:17:59 on Thursday Thursday 11 November 2010, "phanisvara das" wrote:

On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:26:55 +0530, Stan Goodman

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Now I wish instead for fetchmail to do that, and to feed its output to procmail, which will perform some filtering operations before making its output available to Kmail

The way procmail does this is to deposit its mail into file(s) in a dedicated directory in the user's home directory tree, and this is where kmail should come to pick it up. My question is about how to configure Kmail to do that, rather than retrieving mail as it does now, directly from remote servers, whether configuring from the Account Settings of Kmail, or from manipulating some configuration file of Kmail.

the easiest way i'm aware of is by running an IMAP server on your box. i'm using dovecot, which is pretty easy to set up. then you connect with kmail to localhost, retrieving the mail via IMAP. there's an extensive thread about this here: [code]http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/applications/447 542-need-mail-program.html [/code]

What I found especially attractive in that link is the suggestion of ditching Akonadi, which I regard as a pimple on the posterior of KDE4. I may have to reconsider the idea of installing an IMAP server and leaving Kmail for another client. I don't think I would import my three years of archived Kmail messages, as someone mentioned in the thread, since they are accessible text files if and when I need them. Thanks... -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 11 November 2010 15:11:55 Anton Aylward wrote:

Stan Goodman said the following on 11/11/2010 08:59 AM:

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What I found especially attractive in that link is the suggestion of ditching Akonadi, which I regard as a pimple on the posterior of KDE4.

I think you understate the case. If you misconfigure the eye-candy in KDE4 it can consume a lot of your CPU. However if you configure Akondi _correctly_ it will consume not only a lot of your CPU but a lot of your disk bandwidth as well.

When the pimple is bigger than the posterior, what it is now called?

I think KMail (and the rest of Kontact) is intended to become a pimple on Akonadi. And as I've said before, "never show an unfinished work to fools or art masters". Joking aside, we're having a KMail 4.6 beta test and debugging weekend this weekend using an openSUSE 11.3 based image. Hopefully that will mitigate some of the howling, tearing of hair and beating of breasts that will inevitably go on here when 11.4 is released. The indexing performance problems are Buglic Enemy #1. If you want to join in, point konversation at #kontact on Freenode IRC over the weekend. Will PS to save you time, and because it's nearly Friday, I've begun a choice selection of responses ;) "I've no intention of helping out, it's KDE and openSUSE's responsibility to produce a fully bugfree product." "Sorry, I switched to Thunderbird in 200?." "Sorry, I'll never switch from KDE 3." "I'm a Certified System Operator and none of _my_ CP/M scripts had performance problems or bugs, why can't you kids get it right yourselves?" "My mail is far too valuable to risk with testing. Now, let me tell you all about my first computer's RAM capacity..." "I'm incapable of replying on topic but the string 'KDE' now causes me to hit Reply with a selection of random profanities #@£%!" "Evolution and Dashboard/Beagle/Tracker in all their development versions have never never never caused me a single problem, ever, cross my heart and hope to die." -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 11 November 2010 16:40:37 phanisvara das wrote:

On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:49:29 +0530, Will Stephenson

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Joking aside, we're having a KMail 4.6 beta test and debuggingweekend this weekend using an openSUSE 11.3 based image. Hopefully that will mitigate some of the howling, tearing of hair and beating of breasts that will inevitably go on here when 11.4 is released. The indexing performance problems are Buglic Enemy #1.

there used to be a separate repo for kmail2 / kontact2. does that work with KDE 4.5.3 (factory), or do i have to switch everything to KDE unstable to test kmail 4.6 ?

Practically, you have to use all of KDE:Unstable:SC. Theoretically, I could build KDE 4.5.x with kdepimlibs 4.6, trunk Akonadi and kdepim 4.6 but it's not worth the effort since it would still require you to replace your existing 4.5.3 installation. That's why I'm repurposing KDE-SDK-LIVE that I made for Chani's talk at osc10 for testing this. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2010-11-11 at 15:59 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

I don't think I would import my three years of archived Kmail messages, as someone mentioned in the thread, since they are accessible text files if and when I need them.

Actually, what I did was telling dovecot where my 15 years of emails were stored, and from there on I can read them directly, as files as you say, or via imap. Dovecot is surprisingly good at this. In my case my mail was stored as mboxes from Pine, and it happens that dovecot uses the same dialect of mbox format as pine. As to maildir, which I think is the default for kmail, I don't know if it understand it so well. The other thing I don't know, but I think not, is whether dovecot can store some folders as maildir and others as mbox or whatever. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkzcF0QACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U2QACeNSasnp4nNH3LhaWIWrpgUud+ xWwAn1evWBNC1sdsT5KJxRuWivIjqmh1 =PYKg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2010-11-11 at 22:00 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

At 18:18:05 on Thursday Thursday 11 November 2010, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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On Thursday, 2010-11-11 at 15:59 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

It claims to read both. It says nothing about "understands so well".

Each program has it own "understanding" of each "standard" format. Which is a way of saying that there are several flavours or even version of each format. It happens that dovecot uses the same flavour of mbox as pine, probably because they used or imported the library.

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The other thing I don't know, but I think not, is whether dovecot can store some folders as maildir and others as mbox or whatever.

Not only do I not know either, I don't even know how it decided that the Account I set up should be for mbox, because I don't see a question like that. It's possible that there was a question in the short configuration when the app was first started, which would imply that one is stuck with a format once the app is loaded initially. This wouldn't bother me much, if I could choose a format globally.

Dovecot doesn't ask, AFAIK. It is a daemon. Kmail uses maildir by deefault, without asking. You can change the default globally, or per folder.

make any optional folders for sorting different topics. I think Thunderbird is like that as well, if I remember.

Yes, you can set several accounts in thunderbird (corresponding to the server account), and each can have several identities. An identity can adjust the signature, folders, the smtp sender. Very versatile. What you can not choose is the language for an identity, so that it uses a different "reply" template, default dictionary... It is a feature I would like.

Claws is not very flexible, and I am not sure it is for me. Were it not for Akonadi, I would be content with Kmail; as it is, I am considering purchasing a voodoo doll, naming it Akonadi Programmer, and sticking pins in it daily.

X'-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkzcViAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VCoQCgkGOb+PHfHv+n81AnJXZu196r Z+cAn0DqXzihHHNEMC8z6n1jnYXbcxw1 =c/tW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2010-11-12 at 07:45 +1030, Rodney Baker wrote:

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 02:48:05 Carlos E. R. wrote:

I switched from mbox to maildir format a long time ago and dovecot understands maildir format just fine.

I know. But there are several variants of maildir, and I don't which one dovecot uses - if it is the same variant of kmail, or another one.

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The other thing I don't know, but I think not, is whether dovecot can store some folders as maildir and others as mbox or whatever.

No, I don't think it will do this - I'm pretty sure it's one or the other.. However, google mbox2maildir - you'll find a useful script (perl, iirc) that will convert your mbox files to maildir format and allow you to switch cleanly (but back up the mbox files first, jist in case). That is what I did years ago. I may even still have a copy of that script around somewhere - I'm pretty sure I kept it. I'll check tonight when I return from work if you're interested.

No, I don't need that, I don't like maildir. I would like to have diferent formats on different folders depending on the contents. Then I would use maildir for some folders that contain big emails, and mbox for those containing thousands of small emails, like this one. Dovecot has it's own format, that is a mixture of mbox and maildir; I would use that one if procmail understood it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkzctCEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UvoQCeNGJgxwT+/4HisF7gNtpXZ7aS 3FIAnjHthQ2v1TQNQ49tXKI4Ze968sdO =6SsZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 12:22:33 on Thursday Thursday 11 November 2010, "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On Thursday, 2010-11-11 at 11:56 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

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I've asked this question on the KDE-PIM list, which seemed like the most likely place to get answers, but the reaction there has been to change the subject. I have also come up dry from a Google search.

Funny, because it is easy enough to do. I did it time ago.

Hi, Carlos... After having read the other responses, I can answer your question: Nobody mentions it because it is already obvious once you have noticed the choice for Local Mailbox in the Kmail settings.

You just store email in ~/Mail, and tell kmail that this is the local mail folder, or something of the sort - I did this years ago, I don't remember the exact details. Kmail creates indexes on that directory.

However, there is a problem: it doesn't detect easily when fetchmail gets new email. It may be that you have to exit kmail and restart it to get the indexes rebuilt for new email.

I suppose, but do not know, that Kmail can check the local mailbox every N minutes, as it does in the case of remote servers. I don't see a way to synchronize Kmail with procmail, but that would only mean that Kmail may collect new mail a few minutes later than it would if it were synced, which isn't that important for most (except fire-engine dispatchers).

A better solution nowdays is to install dovecot, tell it that you store the email in ~/Mail, and then configure kmail to pull email via imap from localhost. The advantage is that you can use kmail, evolution, thunderbird, pine, mutt... even simultanously and from different computers on your local network. I wrote a few notes about doing this, in the forum. It works nicely.

I've read one such note from you.

Just remember to tell whatever mail reader you use not to create a local cache of the local imap server. That's double caching.

Thanks... -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 23:04:22 on Thursday Thursday 11 November 2010, "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On Thursday, 2010-11-11 at 16:12 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 12:22:33 on Thursday Thursday 11 November 2010, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

I suppose, but do not know, that Kmail can check the local mailbox every N minutes, as it does in the case of remote servers. I don't see a way to synchronize Kmail with procmail, but that would only mean that Kmail may collect new mail a few minutes later than it would if it were synced, which isn't that important for most (except fire-engine dispatchers).

You will have to test this, because I don't remember.

I know that, for example, thunderbird doesn't notice at all when procmail adds a new post to a folder. Worse, the index gets out of sync and reading corrupts. You have to restart thunderbird completely - and this doesn't happens with dovecot, via imap (part of the protocol).

So you will have to test this with kmail. I remember that after not using it for a few months it had to reindex all the folders again, and this took a very long time. It was aparently hung.

I'm rethinking the whole matter in the light of several points that were made in the thread. Did you try Thunderbird with Dovecot? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 05:29:53 on Friday Friday 12 November 2010, "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On 2010-11-12 00:37, Stan Goodman wrote:

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At 23:04:22 on Thursday Thursday 11 November 2010, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

I'm rethinking the whole matter in the light of several points that were made in the thread.

Did you try Thunderbird with Dovecot?

Check the headers of this one ;-)

So you have fetchmail>Dovecot>Thunderbird. And you were able to migrate your addressbook to TB? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org