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Roger Oberholtzer

11 Aug 2011 11 Aug '11

07:15

Any suggestions about the best way to use an Android telephone with openSUSE? This is re: things like syncing contacts and perhaps mail. I am guessing the best is to use various Google services as the mediator. So, for example, sync evolution contacts and calenders with Google, and then sync the phone with Google. Or is there a more direct way that does not involve Google services? Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Koenraad Lelong

11 Aug 11 Aug

13:30

On 11-08-11 09:15, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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Any suggestions about the best way to use an Android telephone with openSUSE? This is re: things like syncing contacts and perhaps mail.

I am guessing the best is to use various Google services as the mediator. So, for example, sync evolution contacts and calenders with Google, and then sync the phone with Google. Or is there a more direct way that does not involve Google services?

Hi, I would also like to know if it's possible without using Google. Now I'm using Thunderbird with "Lightning" and "Google Contacts" plugins. I think I'm going to look into the "master password" feature of T'Bird. Regards, Koenraad Lelong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Vojtěch Zeisek

13:58

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dne 11.8.2011 09:15, Roger Oberholtzer napsal(a):

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Any suggestions about the best way to use an Android telephone with openSUSE? This is re: things like syncing contacts and perhaps mail.

For mails I use normal IMAP and Android application K-9 - normal IMAP client. It works fine.

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I am guessing the best is to use various Google services as the mediator. So, for example, sync evolution contacts and calenders with Google, and then sync the phone with Google. Or is there a more direct way that does not involve Google services?

For contact and calendar I actually use Google, but it is possible to do it via Funambol. Check https://www.forge.funambol.org/DomainHome.html for possibilities. We have Funambol installed on our faculty and it works fine. You can have Your own installation of Funambol server on Your computer or You can use Funambol's capacity. Another way is using LDAP an/or CalDav. There are Android applications for syncing contacts and calendar, but I haven't try yet. You IMHO always need Google account, at least for access to Android Market... :-/

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Yours sincerely,

Roger Oberholtzer

Have a nice day, Vojtěch

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OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST

Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________

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John Andersen

18:14

On 8/11/2011 12:15 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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Any suggestions about the best way to use an Android telephone with openSUSE? This is re: things like syncing contacts and perhaps mail.

I am guessing the best is to use various Google services as the mediator. So, for example, sync evolution contacts and calenders with Google, and then sync the phone with Google. Or is there a more direct way that does not involve Google services?

Unless you have a philosophical aversion to Google, I've found that with iPhone OR Android (but especially the latter) you might as well go all in on google services, and use it to sync everything you possibly can with Google. Addresses, Contacts, Mail, Calendar, Music, Docs, etc. Its easier to find desktop applications that deal with Google than find phone apps that deal with KDE or Linux apps. Any KDE/Linux app that insists on ignoring Google integration is just not worth my time. Since I use IMAP for all mail, it really doesn't matter what mail client I use, but Address books are a perpetual problem, because Thunderbird keeps walking away from its own plugins, so address book syncing works today, and then fails tomorrow. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

20:04

On 8/11/2011 2:14 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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On 8/11/2011 12:15 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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Any suggestions about the best way to use an Android telephone with openSUSE? This is re: things like syncing contacts and perhaps mail.

I am guessing the best is to use various Google services as the mediator. So, for example, sync evolution contacts and calenders with Google, and then sync the phone with Google. Or is there a more direct way that does not involve Google services?

Unless you have a philosophical aversion to Google, I've found that with iPhone OR Android (but especially the latter) you might as well go all in on google services, and use it to sync everything you possibly can with Google.

Addresses, Contacts, Mail, Calendar, Music, Docs, etc. Its easier to find desktop applications that deal with Google than find phone apps that deal with KDE or Linux apps.

Any KDE/Linux app that insists on ignoring Google integration is just not worth my time.

Since I use IMAP for all mail, it really doesn't matter what mail client I use, but Address books are a perpetual problem, because Thunderbird keeps walking away from its own plugins, so address book syncing works today, and then fails tomorrow.

It sure is convenient, but for some unlucky people, it sure is more than a philosophical issue. You don't have to care one teeny tiny whit whether Thomas Monopoly actually did anything wrong to be scared to death of just trusting google or anyone one else with everything. The fact that the backup options are incomplete and suck, and that there are no avenues of appeal, that some admin somewhere, who you are not allowed to contact, just decides to erase you, is just intolerable. The whole Thomas Monopoly thing, ultimately turned out to be about an image that could possibly be considered child porn? Are you kidding? When I google for "beach" I can find nude beaches with kids in some shots. If I google "nude beach" some shots that come back look like not merely naked kids on a beach but actually in some sort of beauty pagent. Well, I didn't go looking for naked kids, I went looking for nude beaches. But then again, what if I were a student or researcher? There are any number of reasons I might specifically go looking for pics of naked kids, or even specifically child porn. I could be collecting statistics, I could be looking for people I know, I could be looking for patterns like where do certain known images turn up, how do they propogate etc to trace where they really come from etc etc the mere existence of a pic, or even a huge collection of them, means really absolutely nothing by itself. But someone somewhere gets to decide that because of this my entire presence across all google services should be erased? Including maybe things like pics of and mails from people who aren't even alive any more let alone all the mundane things like work and dealings with authorities etc. Way too much of importance happens via email now for it to be OK to just erase it lightly. Suppose you owned domains that were registered to a gmail account that got erased? You are supposed to have a phone number or fax number also but you can have as little as a single email address. Once that goes invalid you actually can not, no matter what you say or do, regain control of the domain and once it expires you get to take your chances with everyone else to re-aquire it. This has nothing to do with backing up data or having other email addresses to use. The registrar will, exactly as they are supposed to do, completely disregard anything that doesn't come from that email address and that's just all there is to it. Of course it would be dumb to allow so much importance to hinge on any single thing, especially something you don't ultimately control like a gmail address. Exactly as unwise as just consolidating everything into google and hoping they don't erase you just because as far as you can tell you're a pretty nice guy not doing anything wrong... If google modifies their procedures and behavior a little, then it would be a bit less crazy to just go all-in with them. But as it is, I'll use all their stuff. It's great. So convenient! But I won't *rely* on any of it. No emails of any importance on gmail, or at least the occasional important thing immediately forwarded elsewhere, no pics I don't have elsewhere, etc. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

20:20

On 8/11/2011 1:04 PM, Brian K. White wrote: -- rant snipped -- Oh, I see I hit someone's hot button... The OP suggested Google. I answered about that. Next time I'll check with you first to see if its ok. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

22:04

On 8/11/2011 4:20 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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On 8/11/2011 1:04 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

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Oh, I see I hit someone's hot button...

The OP suggested Google. I answered about that. Next time I'll check with you first to see if its ok.

If you feel so obligated. Personally I wouldn't consult anyone else before stating my thoughts if I were sure of them. I assure you I will not check first with you the next time I think a post might bother you, so really, it's not required. Go ahead and speak just as if this were a public forum for conversing and comparing ideas. You're right, it's sort of a hot button, I guess. It's always been plain common sense to me not to rely too heavily on anyone else, certainly not a single external entity who you have absolutely no influence with. And as the various large companies and cloud services convince people to be essentially stupid and gullible, even in spite of pretty obvious warnings like the EC2 outtages, sure it's frustrating to watch when it's so obviously avoidable, just decline to buy-in to the myth of how great google or amazon or apple are regardless of what their marketing people say. What's wrong with saying that? -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

12 Aug 12 Aug

09:49

On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 18:04 -0400, Brian K. White wrote:

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What's wrong with saying that?

Nothing is wrong in my book. In fact, your answer was part of what I was expecting to hear. I am not really wanting to go 100% google. Currently, all I have is maintained locally. My Nokia phone connected to my Mac rather ok and so I could maintain contacts easily. Android is not a favorite on the Mac, so integrated support there is probably not high on people's list. I use Linux more, and was hoping I could do so with my Android phone. Google is, of course, an alternative. But as Brian states, there are legitimate concerns. The only Linux alternative I got was Funambol. It seems a bit much to use to connect evolution to my Android phone. I did look at Funambol a few years ago to use with my Nokia. And that was a nightmare to configure, IIRC. Maybe things are more straightforward now. Especially if Android is the device. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Philipp Thomas

13 Aug 13 Aug

20:05

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:04:27 -0400, "Brian K. White" wrote:

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It's always been plain common sense to me not to rely too heavily on anyone else, certainly not a single external entity who you have absolutely no influence with.

Brian, could you *please* take your rants somewhere else, like opensuse-offtopic? Because they *are* offtopic here. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

14 Aug 14 Aug

02:10

On 8/13/2011 4:05 PM, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:04:27 -0400, "Brian K. White" wrote:

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It's always been plain common sense to me not to rely too heavily on anyone else, certainly not a single external entity who you have absolutely no influence with.

Brian, could you *please* take your rants somewhere else, like opensuse-offtopic? Because they *are* offtopic here.

Philipp

No. A question was asked about software, which was more or less on-topic enough. My original response did relate to the question and one of the answers, and about the matter itself, not about the posters. Subsequent insults to me were off-topic, but I did not commit those. Go yell at them. My defense against those insults will have to stay right where they were committed not off somewhere else. This post of yours and now my response to it, are actually unwelcome to me also, but they're your fault. If you don't like a certain discussion and want it to end, then I submit that participating in it is rather a stupid method. But I'm just pointing that out so you can better get what you want in the future. I am pointedly nit actually telling you what to say or not say. That would be not only unproductive but uncivil. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Nikolic

06:46

On Sunday 14 August 2011 03:10:05 Brian K. White wrote:

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On 8/13/2011 4:05 PM, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:04:27 -0400, "Brian K. White"

wrote:

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It's always been plain common sense to me not to rely too heavily on anyone else, certainly not a single external entity who you have absolutely no influence with.

Brian, could you *please* take your rants somewhere else, like opensuse-offtopic? Because they *are* offtopic here.

Philipp

No.

A question was asked about software, which was more or less on-topic enough.

My original response did relate to the question and one of the answers, and about the matter itself, not about the posters.

Subsequent insults to me were off-topic, but I did not commit those. Go yell at them. My defense against those insults will have to stay right where they were committed not off somewhere else.

This post of yours and now my response to it, are actually unwelcome to me also, but they're your fault. If you don't like a certain discussion and want it to end, then I submit that participating in it is rather a stupid method. But I'm just pointing that out so you can better get what you want in the future. I am pointedly nit actually telling you what to say or not say. That would be not only unproductive but uncivil.

Brian please Put a Sock in it will you . Everything i look at recently you are getting your panties in a bunch because someone says something you dissagree with and it is getting tiresome to put it politely Or have we moved to the slashdot method of moderation certain people can say what they want no fear others have to tread with feather covered feet Pete VPPO Very Politely Pi***d Off -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.10-0.2-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) 07:41 up 5 days 16:37, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.20, 0.16 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

09:32

On 8/14/2011 2:46 AM, Peter Nikolic wrote:

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On Sunday 14 August 2011 03:10:05 Brian K. White wrote:

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On 8/13/2011 4:05 PM, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:04:27 -0400, "Brian K. White"

wrote:

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It's always been plain common sense to me not to rely too heavily on anyone else, certainly not a single external entity who you have absolutely no influence with.

Brian, could you *please* take your rants somewhere else, like opensuse-offtopic? Because they *are* offtopic here.

Philipp

No.

A question was asked about software, which was more or less on-topic enough.

My original response did relate to the question and one of the answers, and about the matter itself, not about the posters.

Subsequent insults to me were off-topic, but I did not commit those. Go yell at them. My defense against those insults will have to stay right where they were committed not off somewhere else.

This post of yours and now my response to it, are actually unwelcome to me also, but they're your fault. If you don't like a certain discussion and want it to end, then I submit that participating in it is rather a stupid method. But I'm just pointing that out so you can better get what you want in the future. I am pointedly nit actually telling you what to say or not say. That would be not only unproductive but uncivil.

Brian please

Put a Sock in it will you . Everything i look at recently you are getting your panties in a bunch because someone says something you dissagree with and it is getting tiresome to put it politely

Or have we moved to the slashdot method of moderation certain people can say what they want no fear others have to tread with feather covered feet

Pete

VPPO Very Politely Pi***d Off

Actually you have it exactly backwards. I may have contrary things to say on technical points, but generally I have no problem with the people saying those things I might have disagreed with. Heck half the time "disagree" is technically too strong a word since generally there is more than one "right" answer. However I am not the one who takes the technical discussion and turns it personal and non-technical. It is posts like _yours_ that do that. All I do is fail to apologize for things I didn't do. If that infuriates some people well that's just too bad. Maybe the whole "don't trust google with your life" thing did stray a bit from purely opensuse usage issues. It was relevant to the original question but I'll grant perhaps it didn't require so much emphasis. Well what of it? I was also all done with that at the end of that post. Everything since then has been the result of people such as yourself overreacting and "getting your panties in a bunch", being guilty of exactly the thing you're accusing me of. I had nothing else to say on that topic and I had no personal problem with the person who suggested letting google handle all the syncing. I was raising a point about that suggestion but not strictly attacking it and certainly not attacking them. It was just conversation. You go ahead and re-read the damned posts and you tell me where the personal attacks start and where the posts start not having anything to do with the original question or indeed anything about opensuse. Go ahead, do it. Notice I _still_ haven't tried to tell anyone else what to say or not say. Notice I _still_ have not engaged in the personal bs you and others have. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

09:54

On 14/08/11 19:32, Brian K. White wrote:

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On 8/14/2011 2:46 AM, Peter Nikolic wrote:

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On Sunday 14 August 2011 03:10:05 Brian K. White wrote:

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On 8/13/2011 4:05 PM, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:04:27 -0400, "Brian K. White"

wrote:

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It's always been plain common sense to me not to rely too heavily on anyone else, certainly not a single external entity who you have absolutely no influence with.

Brian, could you *please* take your rants somewhere else, like opensuse-offtopic? Because they *are* offtopic here.

Philipp

No.

A question was asked about software, which was more or less on-topic enough.

My original response did relate to the question and one of the answers, and about the matter itself, not about the posters.

Subsequent insults to me were off-topic, but I did not commit those. Go yell at them. My defense against those insults will have to stay right where they were committed not off somewhere else.

This post of yours and now my response to it, are actually unwelcome to me also, but they're your fault. If you don't like a certain discussion and want it to end, then I submit that participating in it is rather a stupid method. But I'm just pointing that out so you can better get what you want in the future. I am pointedly nit actually telling you what to say or not say. That would be not only unproductive but uncivil.

Brian please

Put a Sock in it will you . Everything i look at recently you are getting your panties in a bunch because someone says something you dissagree with and it is getting tiresome to put it politely

Or have we moved to the slashdot method of moderation certain people can say what they want no fear others have to tread with feather covered feet

Pete

VPPO Very Politely Pi***d Off

Actually you have it exactly backwards.

I may have contrary things to say on technical points, but generally I have no problem with the people saying those things I might have disagreed with. Heck half the time "disagree" is technically too strong a word since generally there is more than one "right" answer.

However I am not the one who takes the technical discussion and turns it personal and non-technical. It is posts like _yours_ that do that. All I do is fail to apologize for things I didn't do. If that infuriates some people well that's just too bad.

Maybe the whole "don't trust google with your life" thing did stray a bit from purely opensuse usage issues. It was relevant to the original question but I'll grant perhaps it didn't require so much emphasis.

Well what of it? I was also all done with that at the end of that post.

Everything since then has been the result of people such as yourself overreacting and "getting your panties in a bunch", being guilty of exactly the thing you're accusing me of.

I had nothing else to say on that topic and I had no personal problem with the person who suggested letting google handle all the syncing. I was raising a point about that suggestion but not strictly attacking it and certainly not attacking them. It was just conversation.

You go ahead and re-read the damned posts and you tell me where the personal attacks start and where the posts start not having anything to do with the original question or indeed anything about opensuse.

Go ahead, do it.

Notice I _still_ haven't tried to tell anyone else what to say or not say. Notice I _still_ have not engaged in the personal bs you and others have.

GIRLS! GIRLS! One should not start spats at "THAT" 'time of the month' which is something you well know after all these years. Send each other kisses, and if you really want to keep swinging at someone with the handbags then aim them at me, OK? :-) BC -- "Oh what a tangled web we weave When first we practice to deceive." Sir Walter Scott -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Robert Cunningham

15 Aug 15 Aug

15:51

On 08/14/2011 05:54 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 14/08/11 19:32, Brian K. White wrote:

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On 8/14/2011 2:46 AM, Peter Nikolic wrote:

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On Sunday 14 August 2011 03:10:05 Brian K. White wrote:

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On 8/13/2011 4:05 PM, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:04:27 -0400, "Brian K. White"

wrote:

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It's always been plain common sense to me not to rely too heavily on anyone else, certainly not a single external entity who you have absolutely no influence with.

Brian, could you *please* take your rants somewhere else, like opensuse-offtopic? Because they *are* offtopic here.

Philipp

No.

A question was asked about software, which was more or less on-topic enough.

My original response did relate to the question and one of the answers, and about the matter itself, not about the posters.

Subsequent insults to me were off-topic, but I did not commit those. Go yell at them. My defense against those insults will have to stay right where they were committed not off somewhere else.

This post of yours and now my response to it, are actually unwelcome to me also, but they're your fault. If you don't like a certain discussion and want it to end, then I submit that participating in it is rather a stupid method. But I'm just pointing that out so you can better get what you want in the future. I am pointedly nit actually telling you what to say or not say. That would be not only unproductive but uncivil.

Brian please

Put a Sock in it will you . Everything i look at recently you are getting your panties in a bunch because someone says something you dissagree with and it is getting tiresome to put it politely

Or have we moved to the slashdot method of moderation certain people can say what they want no fear others have to tread with feather covered feet

Pete

VPPO Very Politely Pi***d Off

Actually you have it exactly backwards.

I may have contrary things to say on technical points, but generally I have no problem with the people saying those things I might have disagreed with. Heck half the time "disagree" is technically too strong a word since generally there is more than one "right" answer.

However I am not the one who takes the technical discussion and turns it personal and non-technical. It is posts like _yours_ that do that. All I do is fail to apologize for things I didn't do. If that infuriates some people well that's just too bad.

Maybe the whole "don't trust google with your life" thing did stray a bit from purely opensuse usage issues. It was relevant to the original question but I'll grant perhaps it didn't require so much emphasis.

Well what of it? I was also all done with that at the end of that post.

Everything since then has been the result of people such as yourself overreacting and "getting your panties in a bunch", being guilty of exactly the thing you're accusing me of.

I had nothing else to say on that topic and I had no personal problem with the person who suggested letting google handle all the syncing. I was raising a point about that suggestion but not strictly attacking it and certainly not attacking them. It was just conversation.

You go ahead and re-read the damned posts and you tell me where the personal attacks start and where the posts start not having anything to do with the original question or indeed anything about opensuse.

Go ahead, do it.

Notice I _still_ haven't tried to tell anyone else what to say or not say. Notice I _still_ have not engaged in the personal bs you and others have.

GIRLS! GIRLS! One should not start spats at "THAT" 'time of the month' which is something you well know after all these years.

Send each other kisses, and if you really want to keep swinging at someone with the handbags then aim them at me, OK?

:-)

BC

Not to be hijacking, but I to have issues with this. This is not a Google bashing or any company bashing, there are places at my work that cellphones, (my office) do not work, I have a vacation cabin that I can't get cellphones or internet. To get any work done I need to be able to access my addresses and data, so keeping it "in house" is a requirement for me. -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; In practice, there is Robert Cunningham Sr. Physics Laboratory Coordinator /RSO -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

16 Aug 16 Aug

07:58

On 16/08/11 01:51, Robert Cunningham wrote:

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On 08/14/2011 05:54 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 14/08/11 19:32, Brian K. White wrote:

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On 8/14/2011 2:46 AM, Peter Nikolic wrote:

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On Sunday 14 August 2011 03:10:05 Brian K. White wrote:

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On 8/13/2011 4:05 PM, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 18:04:27 -0400, "Brian K. White"

wrote: > It's always been plain > common sense to me not to rely too heavily on anyone else, > certainly not > a single external entity who you have absolutely no influence with.

Brian, could you *please* take your rants somewhere else, like opensuse-offtopic? Because they *are* offtopic here.

Philipp

No.

A question was asked about software, which was more or less on-topic enough.

My original response did relate to the question and one of the answers, and about the matter itself, not about the posters.

Subsequent insults to me were off-topic, but I did not commit those. Go yell at them. My defense against those insults will have to stay right where they were committed not off somewhere else.

This post of yours and now my response to it, are actually unwelcome to me also, but they're your fault. If you don't like a certain discussion and want it to end, then I submit that participating in it is rather a stupid method. But I'm just pointing that out so you can better get what you want in the future. I am pointedly nit actually telling you what to say or not say. That would be not only unproductive but uncivil.

Brian please

Put a Sock in it will you . Everything i look at recently you are getting your panties in a bunch because someone says something you dissagree with and it is getting tiresome to put it politely

Or have we moved to the slashdot method of moderation certain people can say what they want no fear others have to tread with feather covered feet

Pete

VPPO Very Politely Pi***d Off

Actually you have it exactly backwards.

I may have contrary things to say on technical points, but generally I have no problem with the people saying those things I might have disagreed with. Heck half the time "disagree" is technically too strong a word since generally there is more than one "right" answer.

However I am not the one who takes the technical discussion and turns it personal and non-technical. It is posts like _yours_ that do that. All I do is fail to apologize for things I didn't do. If that infuriates some people well that's just too bad.

Maybe the whole "don't trust google with your life" thing did stray a bit from purely opensuse usage issues. It was relevant to the original question but I'll grant perhaps it didn't require so much emphasis.

Well what of it? I was also all done with that at the end of that post.

Everything since then has been the result of people such as yourself overreacting and "getting your panties in a bunch", being guilty of exactly the thing you're accusing me of.

I had nothing else to say on that topic and I had no personal problem with the person who suggested letting google handle all the syncing. I was raising a point about that suggestion but not strictly attacking it and certainly not attacking them. It was just conversation.

You go ahead and re-read the damned posts and you tell me where the personal attacks start and where the posts start not having anything to do with the original question or indeed anything about opensuse.

Go ahead, do it.

Notice I _still_ haven't tried to tell anyone else what to say or not say. Notice I _still_ have not engaged in the personal bs you and others have.

GIRLS! GIRLS! One should not start spats at "THAT" 'time of the month' which is something you well know after all these years.

Send each other kisses, and if you really want to keep swinging at someone with the handbags then aim them at me, OK?

:-)

BC

Not to be hijacking, but I to have issues with this. This is not a Google bashing or any company bashing, there are places at my work that cellphones, (my office) do not work, I have a vacation cabin that I can't get cellphones or internet. To get any work done I need to be able to access my addresses and data, so keeping it "in house" is a requirement for me.

And you cannot install a satellite dish and get communications in this way? But having a vacation cabin, when very few people have this luxury, and not having "cellphone or internet" is nothing which I would be whingeing about. When you plead that you are unable to feed your family and have to choose as to which child of yours is to live or which is to die because you live in Somalia and daily face death from starvation then I may just pay some attention to your complaints. BC -- "Oh what a tangled web we weave When first we practice to deceive." Sir Walter Scott -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

08:21

Who would have thought that an innocent question about using Android telephones with openSUSE would result in pretty much only a charged political discussion? Not me. Should I summarize the situation to be that Android support (as opposed to Google support) does not exist in any software supplied with openSUSE? If I want to explore services, the best bet is to see what Funambol can provide. Otherwise, openSUSE and Android are oil and water? Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

08:26

On Tue, 2011-08-16 at 10:21 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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Who would have thought that an innocent question about using Android telephones with openSUSE would result in pretty much only a charged political discussion? Not me.

Should I summarize the situation to be that Android support (as opposed to Google support) does not exist in any software supplied with openSUSE? If I want to explore services, the best bet is to see what Funambol can provide. Otherwise, openSUSE and Android are oil and water?

BTW, I did do a search for Android on opensuse.org first. I thought I would share the complete results. Is the 'Did you mean' suggestion purely chance? Or did someone actively add that to the search system? Anyone find those great Android interact features touted for 11.3?

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Search results

Did you mean: Avoid * Content pages * Multimedia * Help and Project pages * Everything * Advanced * Result 1 of 1 for Android Create the page "Android" on this wiki! * Portal:11.3/Features Look no further for an operating system that lets you interact with all the current devices, be it the increasingly popular Android®, the ... 3 KB (517 words) - 01:29, 10 March 2011 -- Related Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Vojtěch Zeisek

08:58

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dne 16.8.2011 10:21, Roger Oberholtzer napsal(a):

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Who would have thought that an innocent question about using Android telephones with openSUSE would result in pretty much only a charged political discussion? Not me.

Should I summarize the situation to be that Android support (as opposed to Google support) does not exist in any software supplied with openSUSE? If I want to explore services, the best bet is to see what Funambol can provide. Otherwise, openSUSE and Android are oil and water?

I didn't find any special software for Android and I don't need it. :-) USB tethering (sharing of Internet connection via USB) works out of the box - just plug, choose sharing of Internet in the phone and wait 10 seconds. :-) Android also works as normal USB mass storage device. Anything else? Oh yes, as I wrote earlier, Funambol works for me, as well as connection of Google contacts and calendar with Thunderbird/KOrganizer/Evolution. And for mails I use IMAP (K-9 mail), I don't like GMail (not enough good for me;-). And also I mentioned possibility of sharing calendar using CalDav and contacts using LDAP, although I haven't tried it yet. That's all I need. I don't see any (major) issue when using Android with openSUSE. Well, Samsung ships Kies software for some "sharing" of multimedia and contacts with Windows, but IMHO it's crap. In fact, only one think I can not do under Linux is to upgrade phone's firmware, but Samsung's care for upgrades is so "great" that I don't miss it at all... ;-)

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Yours sincerely,

Roger Oberholtzer

OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST

Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________

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Andreas Jaeger

09:00

On Thursday, August 11, 2011 09:15:33 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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Any suggestions about the best way to use an Android telephone with openSUSE? This is re: things like syncing contacts and perhaps mail.

I am guessing the best is to use various Google services as the mediator. So, for example, sync evolution contacts and calenders with Google, and then sync the phone with Google. Or is there a more direct way that does not involve Google services?

I'm aware that many people use Android phones and openSUSE, myself include. If you sync your phone with Google, there are lots of ways to sync from openSUSE with Google. E.g. you can use the akonadi-google to sync contacts (from KDE Playground repository) with KDE. I don't know what works with evolution. For mail syncing, just use an IMAP server and access it from every system. IMAP sync for you. There's nothing special openSUSE here, it's more a Linux general question, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Frans de Boer

21:21

On 08/16/2011 11:00 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Thursday, August 11, 2011 09:15:33 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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Any suggestions about the best way to use an Android telephone with openSUSE? This is re: things like syncing contacts and perhaps mail.

I am guessing the best is to use various Google services as the mediator. So, for example, sync evolution contacts and calenders with Google, and then sync the phone with Google. Or is there a more direct way that does not involve Google services?

I'm aware that many people use Android phones and openSUSE, myself include.

If you sync your phone with Google, there are lots of ways to sync from openSUSE with Google. E.g. you can use the akonadi-google to sync contacts (from KDE Playground repository) with KDE. I don't know what works with evolution.

For mail syncing, just use an IMAP server and access it from every system. IMAP sync for you.

There's nothing special openSUSE here, it's more a Linux general question,

Andreas

Bah, using Google? parties disrespecting European privacy are to me off-limit. So, there must be another way to handle agenda syncs etc. Anything but Google. Frans. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jsa

21:24

On 08/16/2011 02:21 PM, Frans de Boer wrote:

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Bah, using Google? parties disrespecting European privacy are to me off-limit. So, there must be another way to handle agenda syncs etc. Anything but Google.

Frans.

Yup cameras covering every street should be left to the exclusive domain of the Police. We know they would never abuse them. -- Explain again the part about rm -rf / -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Frans de Boer

21:43

On 08/16/2011 11:24 PM, jsa wrote:

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On 08/16/2011 02:21 PM, Frans de Boer wrote:

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Bah, using Google? parties disrespecting European privacy are to me off-limit. So, there must be another way to handle agenda syncs etc. Anything but Google.

Frans.

Yup cameras covering every street should be left to the exclusive domain of the Police. We know they would never abuse them.

That's not the reason. The policy of Google and many others as well as the problem of US law which does not respect privacy at all - using the various acts like the Patriot Acts - does not not give me any comfort. It's not for no reason that many EU countries forbid national data to be stored outside the country or national jurisdiction. Frans. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Werner Flamme

17 Aug 17 Aug

05:49

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am 16.08.2011 23:21, schrieb Frans de Boer:

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On 08/16/2011 11:00 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Thursday, August 11, 2011 09:15:33 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

If you sync your phone with Google, there are lots of ways to sync from openSUSE with Google. E.g. you can use the akonadi-google to sync contacts (from KDE Playground repository) with KDE. I don't know what works with evolution.

For mail syncing, just use an IMAP server and access it from every system. IMAP sync for you.

There's nothing special openSUSE here, it's more a Linux general question,

Andreas

Bah, using Google? parties disrespecting European privacy are to me off-limit. So, there must be another way to handle agenda syncs etc. Anything but Google.

Frans.

We're talking about an operating systems that is from Google, right? And you don't want to share the content of your addressbook with Google then? Funny. I do not use an Android phone because I don't like Google's way of collecting data, but I'd never refuse to sync my data with them if I had an Android phone - they may alread have it ;-) "Accidentally forgot to remove this portion of code" or so is something I always suspect. And, since the OS is from Google: why "must" there be another way to sync? Regards, Werner -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOS1ZrAAoJEOfJ7bNoiiCNN7IIAL1gdh/BQUERAWCAgK9Aa8hk yNFTxzabhONP3AlHzS+GX8kip2pFNA7rtG2alXV06oyqN3n+AVlob7zQK1aUTkRl bFZeOpvcmOjBOUx1CgxiK7hYWWUyIaWqG8PMEVWz+dwHDoKayeYWoFoNwVRIzL4c Psc4KcBdkYruh3299VvPrAfVwA0leVNJvG/QCsc/3SK0CviOwOEJjR4lRq/vv7XM Tz0JqiwQf6EEAbAkkKp6pp/D2XcK/oSVtADqmmvR73anz0H6RdLY30Do0IPQMiho f63WEMrYfKdQ6ljJfqGxJffZtCEk0pB2qYP5/H6aofY8ii2LSX2R85BFz/G+Gio= =xkUJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

06:44

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Am 16.08.2011 23:21, schrieb Frans de Boer:

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On 08/16/2011 11:00 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Thursday, August 11, 2011 09:15:33 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

If you sync your phone with Google, there are lots of ways to sync from openSUSE with Google. E.g. you can use the akonadi-google to sync contacts (from KDE Playground repository) with KDE. I don't know what works with evolution.

For mail syncing, just use an IMAP server and access it from every system. IMAP sync for you.

There's nothing special openSUSE here, it's more a Linux general question,

Andreas

Bah, using Google? parties disrespecting European privacy are to me off-limit. So, there must be another way to handle agenda syncs etc. Anything but Google.

Frans.

We're talking about an operating systems that is from Google, right? And you don't want to share the content of your addressbook with Google then? Funny.

I do not use an Android phone because I don't like Google's way of collecting data, but I'd never refuse to sync my data with them if I had an Android phone - they may alread have it ;-) "Accidentally forgot to remove this portion of code" or so is something I always suspect.

When I set up my phone, I entered my google account info. As one would like, all contacts and calendar info was immediately in my phone. I am not politically against such a thing. I just prefer to have this information in more than one system. In this case, I consider the phone and google.com to be the same system. My plan is still to have this in evolution, since that is the e-mail system I use at work and at home. I have all my google mail automatically forwarded to an internal IMAP server. But contacts and calendars remain iffy. I have used the google calendar stuff in evolution. Works one release, then not the next. Contacts are even more ephemeral. So it seems as if google.com will be the clearing house for this type of info. But there is more than thins on the phone. There is also music. I am one of those weirdos who still buy CDs and somehow come across the odd stray MP3. When I had an old iPod, I happily used gtkpod to sync music. When I moved to a newer iPod, that stopped working (and still does not work). So I moved the music to my Mac and sync with iTunes. Which really does a great job. Android seems to be less organized with how it treats media. I can use something called iSyncr on the Mac to sync music with the Android phone. But it really is no better than gtkpod was. So I have been looking for Linux software to handle music between a Linux and an Android device. It is really a matter of 'just' maintaining a directory on the phone, as it seems most music apps simple scan for files. There is no complex database as there is in iTunes. So, my original question was to see what might be in openSUSE that I had not considered. Seems there is nothing. I disagree that there is no need. Android devices are more than phones + email. If I add a note on my iPod, when I sync with the Mac via iTunes, the note shows up in my e-mail on the mac. Little details. But God is in the details.

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And, since the OS is from Google: why "must" there be another way to sync?

As I wrote, there is more to sync than email/contacts/calendars. If that were all, Google would do. But that is not all there is. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

11:23

* Roger Oberholtzer [08-17-11 02:46]:

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There is also music. I am one of those weirdos who still buy CDs and somehow come across the odd stray MP3. When I had an old iPod, I happily used gtkpod to sync music. When I moved to a newer iPod, that stopped working (and still does not work). So I moved the music to my Mac and sync with iTunes. Which really does a great job. Android seems to be less organized with how it treats media. I can use something called iSyncr on the Mac to sync music with the Android phone. But it really is no better than gtkpod was. So I have been looking for Linux software to handle music between a Linux and an Android device. It is really a matter of 'just' maintaining a directory on the phone, as it seems most music apps simple scan for files. There is no complex database as there is in iTunes.

I plug my Motorola Android Atrix into a usb port and access as an external drive. Then I can use mc or ... to copy music directly from one device to the other. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

12:26

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I plug my Motorola Android Atrix into a usb port and access as an external drive. Then I can use mc or ... to copy music directly from one device to the other.

Indeed this works. But I have over 5000 tunes on the device at a time. And this is a subset of what is available. Of course I could copy/delete tracks by hand. But it seems a step backwards. Heck, next you'll tell me I do this at the command line! :) :) Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

13:02

* Roger Oberholtzer [08-17-11 08:28]:

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On Wed, 2011-08-17 at 07:23 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I plug my Motorola Android Atrix into a usb port and access as an external drive. Then I can use mc or ... to copy music directly from one device to the other.

Indeed this works. But I have over 5000 tunes on the device at a time. And this is a subset of what is available. Of course I could copy/delete tracks by hand. But it seems a step backwards. Heck, next you'll tell me I do this at the command line! :) :)

it's quite possible and I am sure you know how or could find out quickly. Doesn't amarok allow access to external devices? There is the sorting and cataloging you desire. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

19:38

On 8/17/2011 9:02 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Roger Oberholtzer [08-17-11 08:28]:

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On Wed, 2011-08-17 at 07:23 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I plug my Motorola Android Atrix into a usb port and access as an external drive. Then I can use mc or ... to copy music directly from one device to the other.

Indeed this works. But I have over 5000 tunes on the device at a time. And this is a subset of what is available. Of course I could copy/delete tracks by hand. But it seems a step backwards. Heck, next you'll tell me I do this at the command line! :) :)

it's quite possible and I am sure you know how or could find out quickly. Doesn't amarok allow access to external devices? There is the sorting and cataloging you desire.

So really, since it hasn't appeared in the discussion by now, the take away is that there really is nothing good like the days of Palm and WinCE where there was a single sync app, and/or auto detecting and syncing daemon, that kept several different types of data not merely copied but converted and imported/exported all in one go, and even all done automatically just by plugging the device in and having a daemon detect the usb or infrared connection, or automatically over wifi or bluetooth on a scheduled basis, or by bluetooth detection. Where apps themselves were copied for re-install if necessary, apps state were saved such as registration/serial numbers, and various app's data were intelligently integrated in various ways into various appropriate desktop apps. Contacts went into (and came out of) one of several PIM apps, including at least for Palm (on Windows) a very sweet and handy and configurable raw CSV file option that could be used to sync really custom stuff with the regular on-device PIM and Notes apps. Photos and other media didn't necessarily just go into a folder although that was the norm and there's not much reason to do much else, and various & sundry other specialized apps each could have their own custom "conduits" that synced their data to some desktop app or web site that was peculiar to that app, data loggers synced to specialized viewer/analyser desktop apps, cad drawings to a cad app, notes to a document app, etc etc. A lot of that has been obviated in later days by just the fact that newer apps just don't store as much locally and less of what they do store locally really matters. It's all usually synced on-line in some way such that after a clean install, most apps can be reinstalled from the market easier than restoring a backup. The apps themselves are readily downloadable, the metadata about what you've purchased is stored in your gmail account and automatically detected by the Market. You rarely have to re-enter a serial number and those few times you do, it's retrievable in the original saved gmail email receipt. There goes much of the reason for backups in the old days right there. Media and most documents are pretty standard and easy to deal with a number of ways. It's not special data that needs a special app to understand it or convert it to be imported/exported. Merely existing as files on the SD card, and those CD card directories being reachable from the desktop as a plain usb drive or via ftp or bluetooth is pretty much good enough for a lot of things. But there is no current good version of the nice syncing of other data. Some apps have their own answers via their web sites, Some don't, or it only goes between the phone and the web site and there's no good way to go between phone-desktop or phone-web-desktop. All you can do is write your own scripts using rsync and command line sqlite, xml, json, etc tools to sync things, which even that is still only remotely easily doable one-way. Application-specific intelligent two-way syncing is, "non-trivial". Even just the basic contacts, mails, and notes there's no actual convenient answer for local syncing like there used to be. Funambol seems closest, or go all-in with google but use the google take-out a lot to keep a local copy up to date. Just use the online service (of your choice) as the clearing house, not as storage. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

18 Aug 18 Aug

06:34

On Wed, 2011-08-17 at 15:38 -0400, Brian K. White wrote:

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On 8/17/2011 9:02 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Roger Oberholtzer [08-17-11 08:28]:

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On Wed, 2011-08-17 at 07:23 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I plug my Motorola Android Atrix into a usb port and access as an external drive. Then I can use mc or ... to copy music directly from one device to the other.

Indeed this works. But I have over 5000 tunes on the device at a time. And this is a subset of what is available. Of course I could copy/delete tracks by hand. But it seems a step backwards. Heck, next you'll tell me I do this at the command line! :) :)

it's quite possible and I am sure you know how or could find out quickly. Doesn't amarok allow access to external devices? There is the sorting and cataloging you desire.

So really, since it hasn't appeared in the discussion by now, the take away is that there really is nothing good ...

[STUFF DELETED - REFER TO ORIGINAL POST] I basically agree with your summary. It answers the question: just why is iTunes so popular? It sync's everything. Not just music. And it does it well and with flexibility. Of course, Apple control both ends of the connection, so compatibility comes free. But they still have made an app that makes keeping the device in sync oddly simple. gtkpod was heading that way. But I think when the iPod databases changed in newer devices, gtkpod lost steam. Too bad. My next step is to see how best to sync each component between phone, pc, and where appropriate, web.

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Funambol seems closest, or go all-in with google but use the google take-out a lot to keep a local copy up to date. Just use the online service (of your choice) as the clearing house, not as storage.

That is my current approach with my iPod and Nokia phone, both being replaced by the Android phone. And I see no reason to change this with an Android device - even if it makes Google so easy for this. So, thanks all for the input. I like to read strong opinions so equally strongly defended. Amazing how we all take our software so seriously. But I guess that is why we are all here in the first place. Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White

17 Aug 17 Aug

18:52

On 8/17/2011 1:49 AM, Werner Flamme wrote:

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Am 16.08.2011 23:21, schrieb Frans de Boer:

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On 08/16/2011 11:00 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Thursday, August 11, 2011 09:15:33 Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

If you sync your phone with Google, there are lots of ways to sync from openSUSE with Google. E.g. you can use the akonadi-google to sync contacts (from KDE Playground repository) with KDE. I don't know what works with evolution.

For mail syncing, just use an IMAP server and access it from every system. IMAP sync for you.

There's nothing special openSUSE here, it's more a Linux general question,

Andreas

Bah, using Google? parties disrespecting European privacy are to me off-limit. So, there must be another way to handle agenda syncs etc. Anything but Google.

Frans.

We're talking about an operating systems that is from Google, right? And you don't want to share the content of your addressbook with Google then? Funny.

I do not use an Android phone because I don't like Google's way of collecting data, but I'd never refuse to sync my data with them if I had an Android phone - they may alread have it ;-) "Accidentally forgot to remove this portion of code" or so is something I always suspect.

And, since the OS is from Google: why "must" there be another way to sync?

That is an utterly invalid argument. I use Microsoft's OS all day every day on my laptop but I don't use any of their on-line stuff. No Windows Live or the new subscription/web-based Office, etc... The one factor has nothing whatsoever to do with the other. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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