[opensuse] e-books
I'm discussing with a publisher and author of a book how to get an electronic copy of the book. It's published for Kindle, as an ePub (with Adobe DRM) and as a PDF. So I asked how to download the PDF but haven't got a straight answer yet (grr! :) In the meantime, is it easy/possible to read an e-book intended for a Kindle or a DRM-protected ePub? (And I'd rather not start with trying to install Adobe software inside wine unless there's some absolute guarantee of support, and even then I'd prefer not to). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 9/13/20 4:11 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
In the meantime, is it easy/possible to read an e-book intended for a Kindle or a DRM-protected ePub?
You can install a Kindle reader on Android. I use Aldiko for epub. There are also epub readers for Linux, but I'm not sure how they are with DRM. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 13/09/2020 à 22:11, Dave Howorth a écrit :
I'm discussing with a publisher and author of a book how to get an electronic copy of the book. It's published for Kindle, as an ePub (with Adobe DRM) and as a PDF.
if kindle, not an epub... any other reader but Amazon :-( Google: "Kindle supports Amazon's proprietary format, AZW, as well as the similar MOBI format. If you have an EPUB file that you want to read on a Kindle, the simplest way is to convert it to MOBI, and there are several programs that will allow you to do this.Apr 22, 2020" jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/09/2020 22.11, Dave Howorth wrote:
I'm discussing with a publisher and author of a book how to get an electronic copy of the book. It's published for Kindle, as an ePub (with Adobe DRM) and as a PDF.
So I asked how to download the PDF but haven't got a straight answer yet (grr! :) In the meantime, is it easy/possible to read an e-book intended for a Kindle or a DRM-protected ePub? (And I'd rather not start with trying to install Adobe software inside wine unless there's some absolute guarantee of support, and even then I'd prefer not to).
As far as I know, it is not possible to read DRM protected content in Linux, only in Windows or Android, or in dedicated ereaders that have DRM (that probably run on Linux inside). The procedure I know involves using adobe software to download the book, and then (still in Windows) use Calibre with a plugin that can remove the DRM from that epub and make a copy that then can be read anywhere. I heard it is possible to remove the DRM in Linux but I failed. Notice: I talk of removing DRM of files you paid for, not for illegal pirating of materials, so that you can actually read the material you paid for. About using PDF or epub, I prefer epub a hundred times better. Why? Well, pdf is designed to display an exact photo of how the publisher designed the pages, whereas epub lets you choose the font, the font size, and the paper size, to anything you prefer. Tiny unreadable letters or huge letters. The text will be reformatted to your choices. It is perfect for reading text with some images at the size and font face you prefer (without panning). Notice that the kindle uses its own format. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-13 15:44:39 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, pdf is designed to display an exact photo of how the publisher designed the pages, whereas epub lets you choose the font, the font size, and the paper size, to anything you prefer.
But there's nothing to keep one from copy/pasting the text from a (text-based) pdf file and reformatting it as one pleases. I do that with quite a bit of fanfic and other free literature encoded as pdf files. OTOH, I haven't found an ebook readers on Linux that would let me do that. Leslie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 15/09/2020 à 04:40, J Leslie Turriff a écrit :
But there's nothing to keep one from copy/pasting the text from a (text-based) pdf file and reformatting it as one pleases. I do that with quite a bit of fanfic and other free literature encoded as pdf files. OTOH, I haven't found an ebook readers on Linux that would let me do that.
try pdftotext... but probably don't works on DRM protected pdf jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 04.40, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-13 15:44:39 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, pdf is designed to display an exact photo of how the publisher designed the pages, whereas epub lets you choose the font, the font size, and the paper size, to anything you prefer.
But there's nothing to keep one from copy/pasting the text from a (text-based) pdf file and reformatting it as one pleases.
It is a pain...
I do that with quite a bit of fanfic and other free literature encoded as pdf files. OTOH, I haven't found an ebook readers on Linux that would let me do that.
The thing is, those are tricks, whereas the epub format is designed for re-flowing and resizing by the user, instantly and easily. The snag is, of course, that as I make the font larger and read without glasses in bed, the pages contain little text and I have to flip pages faster :-P I sometimes generate epub files from Word files created by LibreOffice. It had to be word format, it would not work with LO native format. LyX would not be able to generate them, either. Maybe this has changed, I have to revisit it. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
In data domenica 13 settembre 2020 22:11:35 CEST, Dave Howorth ha scritto:
I'm discussing with a publisher and author of a book how to get an electronic copy of the book. It's published for Kindle, as an ePub (with Adobe DRM) and as a PDF.
So I asked how to download the PDF but haven't got a straight answer yet (grr! :) In the meantime, is it easy/possible to read an e-book intended for a Kindle or a DRM-protected ePub? (And I'd rather not start with trying to install Adobe software inside wine unless there's some absolute guarantee of support, and even then I'd prefer not to).
This is a PM for legal reasons. The procedure works, it did for me in the past. You use Caligra. sudo zypper in calligra Get familiar with the program. Calligra is part of the regular repositories. The plugin of course not. You then need to install the following pluging to remove (free) the corresponding e-book. As with all software fruit of reverse engeneering, there cannot be any guarantee, so best would be you practice with your content you own already. https://www.epubor.com/calibre-drm-removal-plugins.html gives you an overview of the procedure. Here another page well done: https://www.epubsoft.com/calibre-drm-removal-calibre-remove-drm.html Please make sure that you go on the page were you are affirmative to have the original plugin versions (I do not have the patience now, but there is). I do not trust too much mirrored things, you never know. Do not pirate content, just free you legally owned one please. Good luck and happy reading. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:47:53 +0200 Stakanov <stakanov@disroot.org> wrote:
In data domenica 13 settembre 2020 22:11:35 CEST, Dave Howorth ha scritto:
I'm discussing with a publisher and author of a book how to get an electronic copy of the book. It's published for Kindle, as an ePub (with Adobe DRM) and as a PDF.
So I asked how to download the PDF but haven't got a straight answer yet (grr! :) In the meantime, is it easy/possible to read an e-book intended for a Kindle or a DRM-protected ePub? (And I'd rather not start with trying to install Adobe software inside wine unless there's some absolute guarantee of support, and even then I'd prefer not to).
https://www.epubor.com/calibre-drm-removal-plugins.html gives you an overview of the procedure.
Hmm, so this got me part of the way, but I think there's still something I don't understand. I installed Calibre (the latest 4.23 from their site). I installed the DeDRM plugin (DeDRM_plugin.zip) from the epubor site. It said it was installed correctly (there's also a link 'GUI version for Linux' that leads to a file called alldrmremoval.tar.gz but I don't understand what that is about - Calibre didn't offer to install it) Then I tried to open the book I bought but it just seems to open the link. When I bought the book and downloaded it, what I got was a file called URLLink.acsm which seems to be some sort of XML file rather than the content of a book - it's only 1.5 kB. I don't understand how to turn this URLLink.acsm file into the text of an actual book. I thought that's what Calibre and the plugin did?
Do not pirate content, just free you legally owned one please. Good luck and happy reading.
No, as I say I simply want to read a zero-cost book I have 'bought'. I don't understand why something that is free has DRM anyway :( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/09/2020 12.30, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:47:53 +0200 Stakanov <> wrote:
In data domenica 13 settembre 2020 22:11:35 CEST, Dave Howorth ha scritto:
I'm discussing with a publisher and author of a book how to get an electronic copy of the book. It's published for Kindle, as an ePub (with Adobe DRM) and as a PDF.
So I asked how to download the PDF but haven't got a straight answer yet (grr! :) In the meantime, is it easy/possible to read an e-book intended for a Kindle or a DRM-protected ePub? (And I'd rather not start with trying to install Adobe software inside wine unless there's some absolute guarantee of support, and even then I'd prefer not to).
https://www.epubor.com/calibre-drm-removal-plugins.html gives you an overview of the procedure.
Hmm, so this got me part of the way, but I think there's still something I don't understand.
I installed Calibre (the latest 4.23 from their site). I installed the DeDRM plugin (DeDRM_plugin.zip) from the epubor site. It said it was installed correctly (there's also a link 'GUI version for Linux' that leads to a file called alldrmremoval.tar.gz but I don't understand what that is about - Calibre didn't offer to install it)
Then I tried to open the book I bought but it just seems to open the link. When I bought the book and downloaded it, what I got was a file called URLLink.acsm which seems to be some sort of XML file rather than the content of a book - it's only 1.5 kB. I don't understand how to turn this URLLink.acsm file into the text of an actual book. I thought that's what Calibre and the plugin did?
AFAIK, that can only be done by Adobe Digital Editions (ADE). :-/
Do not pirate content, just free you legally owned one please. Good luck and happy reading.
No, as I say I simply want to read a zero-cost book I have 'bought'. I don't understand why something that is free has DRM anyway :(
True, it is stupid. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 14/09/2020 13.17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 14/09/2020 12.30, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:47:53 +0200 Stakanov <> wrote:
In data domenica 13 settembre 2020 22:11:35 CEST, Dave Howorth ha scritto:
Then I tried to open the book I bought but it just seems to open the link. When I bought the book and downloaded it, what I got was a file called URLLink.acsm which seems to be some sort of XML file rather than the content of a book - it's only 1.5 kB. I don't understand how to turn this URLLink.acsm file into the text of an actual book. I thought that's what Calibre and the plugin did?
AFAIK, that can only be done by Adobe Digital Editions (ADE). :-/
Maybe you can use the Android version. <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.digitaleditions> -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:27:12 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 13.17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 14/09/2020 12.30, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:47:53 +0200 Stakanov <> wrote:
In data domenica 13 settembre 2020 22:11:35 CEST, Dave Howorth ha scritto:
Then I tried to open the book I bought but it just seems to open the link. When I bought the book and downloaded it, what I got was a file called URLLink.acsm which seems to be some sort of XML file rather than the content of a book - it's only 1.5 kB. I don't understand how to turn this URLLink.acsm file into the text of an actual book. I thought that's what Calibre and the plugin did?
AFAIK, that can only be done by Adobe Digital Editions (ADE). :-/
Maybe you can use the Android version.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.digitaleditions>
Well, my wife has an ipad so I'm trying to use that. I've installed ADE but I don't see how to tell it to import/download the book from the website <https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebook/food-and-climate-change-without-the-hot-air> where it tells me 'You have this eBook' but not how to download it into ADE.???? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dave Howorth wrote:
Well, my wife has an ipad so I'm trying to use that. I've installed ADE but I don't see how to tell it to import/download the book from the website <https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebook/food-and-climate-change-without-the-hot-air> where it tells me 'You have this eBook' but not how to download it into ADE.????
You somehow need to point it to that acsm file. Drag'n'Drop etc? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:21:52 +0100 Peter Suetterlin <pit@astro.su.se> wrote:
Dave Howorth wrote:
Well, my wife has an ipad so I'm trying to use that. I've installed ADE but I don't see how to tell it to import/download the book from the website <https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebook/food-and-climate-change-without-the-hot-air> where it tells me 'You have this eBook' but not how to download it into ADE.????
You somehow need to point it to that acsm file. Drag'n'Drop etc?
The acsm file is on my openSUSE box. ADE is on the iPad. I have no idea how to do 'drag'n'drop' on an iPad. And I'm not able to persuade FF to download the file on the iPad for some reason. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:15:46 +0100 Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:27:12 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 13.17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 14/09/2020 12.30, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:47:53 +0200 Stakanov <> wrote:
In data domenica 13 settembre 2020 22:11:35 CEST, Dave Howorth ha scritto:
Then I tried to open the book I bought but it just seems to open the link. When I bought the book and downloaded it, what I got was a file called URLLink.acsm which seems to be some sort of XML file rather than the content of a book - it's only 1.5 kB. I don't understand how to turn this URLLink.acsm file into the text of an actual book. I thought that's what Calibre and the plugin did?
AFAIK, that can only be done by Adobe Digital Editions (ADE). :-/
Maybe you can use the Android version.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.digitaleditions>
Well, my wife has an ipad so I'm trying to use that. I've installed ADE but I don't see how to tell it to import/download the book from the website <https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebook/food-and-climate-change-without-the-hot-air> where it tells me 'You have this eBook' but not how to download it into ADE.????
Specifically, if I click on the three circle under the book cover and then click on Download, and then on Download file I get a message that says Firefox is unable to download or display this file. (I don't understand since this step worked with FF on openSUSE and gave me the acsm file). It also says would I like to open it in another app but when I say Yes I'm offered only Mail, Remiders, Add to Notes, Add to Reading List, Copy but none of them seem to do anything. It's all very confusing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:31:44 +0100 Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:15:46 +0100 Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:27:12 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 13.17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 14/09/2020 12.30, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:47:53 +0200 Stakanov <> wrote:
In data domenica 13 settembre 2020 22:11:35 CEST, Dave Howorth ha scritto:
Then I tried to open the book I bought but it just seems to open the link. When I bought the book and downloaded it, what I got was a file called URLLink.acsm which seems to be some sort of XML file rather than the content of a book - it's only 1.5 kB. I don't understand how to turn this URLLink.acsm file into the text of an actual book. I thought that's what Calibre and the plugin did?
AFAIK, that can only be done by Adobe Digital Editions (ADE). :-/
Maybe you can use the Android version.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adobe.digitaleditions>
Well, my wife has an ipad so I'm trying to use that. I've installed ADE but I don't see how to tell it to import/download the book from the website <https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebook/food-and-climate-change-without-the-hot-air> where it tells me 'You have this eBook' but not how to download it into ADE.????
Specifically, if I click on the three circle under the book cover and then click on Download, and then on Download file I get a message that says Firefox is unable to download or display this file. (I don't understand since this step worked with FF on openSUSE and gave me the acsm file). It also says would I like to open it in another app but when I say Yes I'm offered only Mail, Remiders, Add to Notes, Add to Reading List, Copy but none of them seem to do anything.
It's all very confusing.
Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, repeat the whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the download and this time it asks whether to open the book in ADE, so I say yes. And now I'm at a page that says 'Authorize Your Device' and have no idea what I'm supposed to do. There's a list of 'eBook Vendors' initially set at Adobe ID, but Kobo isn't in the list???? I like Adobe about as much as google, yahoo, oracle etc etc BTW, Kobo Reader says it isn't compatible with the iPad (it's fairly old, but still? How complicated is it to display a book?) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/09/2020 18.57, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:31:44 +0100 Dave Howorth <> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:15:46 +0100 Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:27:12 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
It's all very confusing.
Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, repeat the whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the download and this time it asks whether to open the book in ADE, so I say yes.
And now I'm at a page that says 'Authorize Your Device' and have no idea what I'm supposed to do. There's a list of 'eBook Vendors' initially set at Adobe ID, but Kobo isn't in the list????
The kobo has to be connected to the machine that is running ADE. Otherwise, you will be authorizing the ipad. If you have a kobo device, you only need to connect it to the WiFi, and press "sync", and it will download any books you purchased. Unless they are discontinuing the service. I can not check, mine has no battery, I have to solder a new one. All is ready, but I'm not in the mood.
I like Adobe about as much as google, yahoo, oracle etc etc
BTW, Kobo Reader says it isn't compatible with the iPad (it's fairly old, but still? How complicated is it to display a book?)
With DRM, a lot. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 14/09/2020 à 20:04, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 14/09/2020 18.57, Dave Howorth wrote:
BTW, Kobo Reader says it isn't compatible with the iPad (it's fairly old, but still? How complicated is it to display a book?)
With DRM, a lot.
nope, if your device is found from it's account, the book is dl on the kobo and you don't have anything to do to read it. else... jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/09/2020 20.18, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 14/09/2020 à 20:04, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 14/09/2020 18.57, Dave Howorth wrote:
BTW, Kobo Reader says it isn't compatible with the iPad (it's fairly old, but still? How complicated is it to display a book?)
With DRM, a lot.
nope, if your device is found from it's account, the book is dl on the kobo and you don't have anything to do to read it.
else...
else, very difficult, specially in Linux. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:04:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 18.57, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:31:44 +0100 Dave Howorth <> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:15:46 +0100 Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:27:12 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
It's all very confusing.
Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, repeat the whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the download and this time it asks whether to open the book in ADE, so I say yes.
And now I'm at a page that says 'Authorize Your Device' and have no idea what I'm supposed to do. There's a list of 'eBook Vendors' initially set at Adobe ID, but Kobo isn't in the list????
The kobo has to be connected to the machine that is running ADE. Otherwise, you will be authorizing the ipad.
If you have a kobo device,
No, I don't have a Kobo device. The Kobo website is just a place I found where I could buy the book, and it says - I think - that I can read books on devices other than a Kobo reader.
you only need to connect it to the WiFi, and press "sync", and it will download any books you purchased. Unless they are discontinuing the service. I can not check, mine has no battery, I have to solder a new one. All is ready, but I'm not in the mood.
I like Adobe about as much as google, yahoo, oracle etc etc
BTW, Kobo Reader says it isn't compatible with the iPad (it's fairly old, but still? How complicated is it to display a book?)
With DRM, a lot.
But ADE runs. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/09/2020 20.56, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:04:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 18.57, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:31:44 +0100 Dave Howorth <> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:15:46 +0100 Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:27:12 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
It's all very confusing.
Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, repeat the whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the download and this time it asks whether to open the book in ADE, so I say yes.
And now I'm at a page that says 'Authorize Your Device' and have no idea what I'm supposed to do. There's a list of 'eBook Vendors' initially set at Adobe ID, but Kobo isn't in the list????
The kobo has to be connected to the machine that is running ADE. Otherwise, you will be authorizing the ipad.
If you have a kobo device,
No, I don't have a Kobo device. The Kobo website is just a place I found where I could buy the book, and it says - I think - that I can read books on devices other than a Kobo reader.
The procedure then is: option a) In a Windows computer install ADE, and match your reader to ADE (authorize it). Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE. ADE should be able to put the epub on the ereader, if it supports DRM. Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection. option b) In a Windows computer install ADE. Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE. Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection. option c) Install ADE and calibre in the ipad or Android machine. Install the plugin. Download the epub from its link, which should trigger download with ADE. You should be able to read the epub inside ADE. Then use calibre to open the same file and save elsewhere. Hopefully it is decrypted and you can copy over to your reader device. I have not tested C, it is an assumption.
you only need to connect it to the WiFi, and press "sync", and it will download any books you purchased. Unless they are discontinuing the service. I can not check, mine has no battery, I have to solder a new one. All is ready, but I'm not in the mood.
I like Adobe about as much as google, yahoo, oracle etc etc
BTW, Kobo Reader says it isn't compatible with the iPad (it's fairly old, but still? How complicated is it to display a book?)
With DRM, a lot.
But ADE runs.
You can then read the ebook inside ADE. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:14:07 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 20.56, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:04:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 18.57, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:31:44 +0100 Dave Howorth <> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 17:15:46 +0100 Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:27:12 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
It's all very confusing.
Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, repeat the whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the download and this time it asks whether to open the book in ADE, so I say yes.
And now I'm at a page that says 'Authorize Your Device' and have no idea what I'm supposed to do. There's a list of 'eBook Vendors' initially set at Adobe ID, but Kobo isn't in the list????
The kobo has to be connected to the machine that is running ADE. Otherwise, you will be authorizing the ipad.
If you have a kobo device,
No, I don't have a Kobo device. The Kobo website is just a place I found where I could buy the book, and it says - I think - that I can read books on devices other than a Kobo reader.
The procedure then is:
option a) In a Windows computer install ADE,
I don't have a Windows PC. I've installed it on the iPad, as I said.
and match your reader to ADE (authorize it).
I have no idea how to do that, what I am supposed to do, as I said. That is where I am stuck, as I said.
Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE. ADE should be able to put the epub on the ereader, if it supports DRM.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option b) In a Windows computer install ADE.
I don't have a Windows PC.
Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option c) Install ADE and calibre in the ipad or Android machine.
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_ios "calibre itself does not run on the iPhones/iPad, but you can connect to calibre running on your mac" I don't have a Mac.
Install the plugin. Download the epub from its link, which should trigger download with ADE. You should be able to read the epub inside ADE. Then use calibre to open the same file and save elsewhere. Hopefully it is decrypted and you can copy over to your reader device.
I have not tested C, it is an assumption.
you only need to connect it to the WiFi, and press "sync", and it will download any books you purchased. Unless they are discontinuing the service. I can not check, mine has no battery, I have to solder a new one. All is ready, but I'm not in the mood.
I like Adobe about as much as google, yahoo, oracle etc etc
BTW, Kobo Reader says it isn't compatible with the iPad (it's fairly old, but still? How complicated is it to display a book?)
With DRM, a lot.
But ADE runs.
You can then read the ebook inside ADE.
I need to authorize ADE. How do I do that? What does it want me to type? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/09/2020 23.17, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:14:07 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 20.56, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:04:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
It's all very confusing.
Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, repeat the whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the download and this time it asks whether to open the book in ADE, so I say yes.
And now I'm at a page that says 'Authorize Your Device' and have no idea what I'm supposed to do. There's a list of 'eBook Vendors' initially set at Adobe ID, but Kobo isn't in the list????
The kobo has to be connected to the machine that is running ADE. Otherwise, you will be authorizing the ipad.
If you have a kobo device,
No, I don't have a Kobo device. The Kobo website is just a place I found where I could buy the book, and it says - I think - that I can read books on devices other than a Kobo reader.
The procedure then is:
option a) In a Windows computer install ADE,
I don't have a Windows PC. I've installed it on the iPad, as I said.
Install a virtual machine with it. Amazon sells licenses for perhaps 10€.
and match your reader to ADE (authorize it).
I have no idea how to do that, what I am supposed to do, as I said. That is where I am stuck, as I said.
I don't remember, but it is on the help menu - on Windows. Sorry about it, Linux doesn't work for this, apparently Adobe hates Linux.
Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE. ADE should be able to put the epub on the ereader, if it supports DRM.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option b) In a Windows computer install ADE.
I don't have a Windows PC.
See above.
Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option c) Install ADE and calibre in the ipad or Android machine.
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_ios
"calibre itself does not run on the iPhones/iPad, but you can connect to calibre running on your mac"
I don't have a Mac.
Well, then try an Android tablet. I can't vouch for it working, though.
But ADE runs.
You can then read the ebook inside ADE.
I need to authorize ADE. How do I do that? What does it want me to type?
Nothing, as far as I remember. Besides registering it, of course. I google "how to authorize ADE to read an ebook", and get: To authorize Digital Editions Open the Digital Editions software. In the menu at the top of the application, click Help and select Authorize Computer from the resulting menu. Enter an Adobe ID and password OR check the box for I want to authorize my computer without an ID. Click Authorize. <https://connect.ebsco.com/s/article/How-do-I-install-and-authorize-Adobe-Digital-Editions?language=en_US> -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [01-01-70 12:34]:
On 14/09/2020 23.17, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:14:07 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 20.56, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:04:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
> It's all very confusing.
Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, repeat the whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the download and this time it asks whether to open the book in ADE, so I say yes.
<rant> sometime in the next year or so SOMEONE should move this apparently perpetual thread with many quote levels and almost no trimmingto the opensuse-offtoplic list where it belongs </rant> a little sanity must prevail at some point in time. the lists have a purpose and IT IS PUBLISHED, for whatever that is worth. :^( -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:10:27 -0400 Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [01-01-70 12:34]:
On 14/09/2020 23.17, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:14:07 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 20.56, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:04:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
> > It's all very confusing. > > Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, > repeat the whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the > download and this time it asks whether to open the book > in ADE, so I say yes.
<rant> sometime in the next year or so SOMEONE should move this apparently perpetual thread with many quote levels and almost no trimmingto the opensuse-offtoplic list where it belongs </rant>
a little sanity must prevail at some point in time.
the lists have a purpose and IT IS PUBLISHED, for whatever that is worth.
How is trying to read an ebook on openSUSE offtopic? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2020-09-15 04:52:46 Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:10:27 -0400
Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [01-01-70 12:34]:
On 14/09/2020 23.17, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:14:07 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 20.56, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:04:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote: > > > It's all very confusing. > > > > Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, > > repeat the whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the > > download and this time it asks whether to open the book > > in ADE, so I say yes.
<rant> sometime in the next year or so SOMEONE should move this apparently perpetual thread with many quote levels and almost no trimmingto the opensuse-offtoplic list where it belongs </rant>
a little sanity must prevail at some point in time.
the lists have a purpose and IT IS PUBLISHED, for whatever that is worth.
How is trying to read an ebook on openSUSE offtopic?
The rant about thread depth is off-topic. And I'm contributing to that depth with this clarification. :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/09/2020 à 23:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 14/09/2020 23.17, Dave Howorth wrote:
I don't have a Windows PC. I've installed it on the iPad, as I said.
Install a virtual machine with it. Amazon sells licenses for perhaps 10€.
or better use any old computer to do so. I hate to do this but some things do not run in any other thing than windows :-((( jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:11:50 +0200 "jdd@dodin.org" <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 14/09/2020 à 23:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 14/09/2020 23.17, Dave Howorth wrote:
I don't have a Windows PC. I've installed it on the iPad, as I said.
Install a virtual machine with it. Amazon sells licenses for perhaps 10€.
or better use any old computer to do so. I hate to do this but some things do not run in any other thing than windows :-(((
I don't have any old computers, and I don't and won't run anything with Windows. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 11.53, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:11:50 +0200 "jdd@dodin.org" <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 14/09/2020 à 23:48, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 14/09/2020 23.17, Dave Howorth wrote:
I don't have a Windows PC. I've installed it on the iPad, as I said.
Install a virtual machine with it. Amazon sells licenses for perhaps 10€.
or better use any old computer to do so. I hate to do this but some things do not run in any other thing than windows :-(((
I don't have any old computers, and I don't and won't run anything with Windows.
Then, as my cousin would say, suffer. Look, you need running ADE, and Adobe refuses to do Linux software. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 23:48:15 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 23.17, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:14:07 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 20.56, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:04:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
> It's all very confusing.
Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, repeat the whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the download and this time it asks whether to open the book in ADE, so I say yes.
And now I'm at a page that says 'Authorize Your Device' and have no idea what I'm supposed to do. There's a list of 'eBook Vendors' initially set at Adobe ID, but Kobo isn't in the list????
The kobo has to be connected to the machine that is running ADE. Otherwise, you will be authorizing the ipad.
If you have a kobo device,
No, I don't have a Kobo device. The Kobo website is just a place I found where I could buy the book, and it says - I think - that I can read books on devices other than a Kobo reader.
The procedure then is:
option a) In a Windows computer install ADE,
I don't have a Windows PC. I've installed it on the iPad, as I said.
Install a virtual machine with it. Amazon sells licenses for perhaps 10€.
Install a virtual machine with what? And what's Amazon's involvement in all this?
and match your reader to ADE (authorize it).
I have no idea how to do that, what I am supposed to do, as I said. That is where I am stuck, as I said.
I don't remember, but it is on the help menu - on Windows. Sorry about it, Linux doesn't work for this, apparently Adobe hates Linux.
Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE. ADE should be able to put the epub on the ereader, if it supports DRM.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option b) In a Windows computer install ADE.
I don't have a Windows PC.
See above.
Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option c) Install ADE and calibre in the ipad or Android machine.
https://calibre-ebook.com/download_ios
"calibre itself does not run on the iPhones/iPad, but you can connect to calibre running on your mac"
I don't have a Mac.
Well, then try an Android tablet. I can't vouch for it working, though.
I don't have an Android tablet.
But ADE runs.
You can then read the ebook inside ADE.
I need to authorize ADE. How do I do that? What does it want me to type?
Nothing, as far as I remember. Besides registering it, of course.
I google "how to authorize ADE to read an ebook", and get:
To authorize Digital Editions
Open the Digital Editions software. In the menu at the top of the application, click Help and select Authorize Computer from the resulting menu. Enter an Adobe ID and password OR check the box for I want to authorize my computer without an ID. Click Authorize.
Thanks for that link. It's the clearest instructions I've seen, but ... There's no "box for I want to authorize my computer without an ID". Just a selection box for Adobe ID and various other ebook sellers, but NOT for Kobo, nor ebooks.com which I've discovered also sells this book. Nor for Ebsco either, for that matter. But I clicked on the link to the Adobe site to create an ID and finally found an explanation there - it's just an email address and password. So fine, I created one and then ADE seemed to be happy and in my 'Library' it now shows an entry for the book as well as for the Getting Started with ADE book. But whereas clicking on the Getting Started opens the book, clicking on my new Food and .. book just starts a whirling circle for a while, and there's no cover art. So I suspect it hasn't really downloaded it properly. I wish it would give me some sort of status message. I'm not sure whether I'm any closer to my goal or not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 12.30, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 23:48:15 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 23.17, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:14:07 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 14/09/2020 20.56, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:04:11 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
>> It's all very confusing. > > Ok, a little progress. Start up safari instead of FF, repeat the > whole logging in bit to kobo, repeat the download and this time > it asks whether to open the book in ADE, so I say yes. > > And now I'm at a page that says 'Authorize Your Device' and have > no idea what I'm supposed to do. There's a list of 'eBook > Vendors' initially set at Adobe ID, but Kobo isn't in the > list????
The kobo has to be connected to the machine that is running ADE. Otherwise, you will be authorizing the ipad.
If you have a kobo device,
No, I don't have a Kobo device. The Kobo website is just a place I found where I could buy the book, and it says - I think - that I can read books on devices other than a Kobo reader.
The procedure then is:
option a) In a Windows computer install ADE,
I don't have a Windows PC. I've installed it on the iPad, as I said.
Install a virtual machine with it. Amazon sells licenses for perhaps 10€.
Install a virtual machine with what?
With Windows.
And what's Amazon's involvement in all this?
That they sell Windows cheap. ...
"calibre itself does not run on the iPhones/iPad, but you can connect to calibre running on your mac"
I don't have a Mac.
Well, then try an Android tablet. I can't vouch for it working, though.
I don't have an Android tablet.
Well...
But ADE runs.
You can then read the ebook inside ADE.
I need to authorize ADE. How do I do that? What does it want me to type?
Nothing, as far as I remember. Besides registering it, of course.
I google "how to authorize ADE to read an ebook", and get:
To authorize Digital Editions
Open the Digital Editions software. In the menu at the top of the application, click Help and select Authorize Computer from the resulting menu. Enter an Adobe ID and password OR check the box for I want to authorize my computer without an ID. Click Authorize.
Thanks for that link. It's the clearest instructions I've seen, but ...
There's no "box for I want to authorize my computer without an ID". Just a selection box for Adobe ID and various other ebook sellers, but NOT for Kobo, nor ebooks.com which I've discovered also sells this book. Nor for Ebsco either, for that matter.
But I clicked on the link to the Adobe site to create an ID and finally found an explanation there - it's just an email address and password. So fine, I created one and then ADE seemed to be happy and in my 'Library' it now shows an entry for the book as well as for the Getting Started with ADE book. But whereas clicking on the Getting Started opens the book, clicking on my new Food and .. book just starts a whirling circle for a while, and there's no cover art. So I suspect it hasn't really downloaded it properly. I wish it would give me some sort of status message.
I'm not sure whether I'm any closer to my goal or not.
Dunno. I have never used ADE in those gadgets. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-14 15:14:07 Carlos E. R. wrote:
The procedure then is:
option a) In a Windows computer install ADE, and match your reader to ADE (authorize it). Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE. ADE should be able to put the epub on the ereader, if it supports DRM.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option b) In a Windows computer install ADE. Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option c) Install ADE and calibre in the ipad or Android machine. Install the plugin. Download the epub from its link, which should trigger download with ADE. You should be able to read the epub inside ADE. Then use calibre to open the same file and save elsewhere. Hopefully it is decrypted and you can copy over to your reader device.
I have not tested C, it is an assumption.
Isn't it amazing, having to go through all of this just to get a real copy of a free book? This is a case of an industry that still thinks that all Linux users are pirates. The vendor of my favourite 3D Modeling package is the same; their software runs only on Windoze and Mac (though they do allow their background rendering to run on Linux, otherwise nobody in the 3D industry would use it). Leslie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 04.51, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-14 15:14:07 Carlos E. R. wrote:
The procedure then is:
option a) In a Windows computer install ADE, and match your reader to ADE (authorize it). Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE. ADE should be able to put the epub on the ereader, if it supports DRM.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option b) In a Windows computer install ADE. Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option c) Install ADE and calibre in the ipad or Android machine. Install the plugin. Download the epub from its link, which should trigger download with ADE. You should be able to read the epub inside ADE. Then use calibre to open the same file and save elsewhere. Hopefully it is decrypted and you can copy over to your reader device.
I have not tested C, it is an assumption.
Isn't it amazing, having to go through all of this just to get a real copy of a free book? This is a case of an industry that still thinks that all Linux users are pirates. The vendor of my favourite 3D Modeling package is the same; their software runs only on Windoze and Mac (though they do allow their background rendering to run on Linux, otherwise nobody in the 3D industry would use it).
You have to blame Adobe specifically, they refuse to publish Linux versions of their software. In the past, they made Acrobat Reader for Linux, then they stopped. Why? What happened? Why do they hate us? Did we piss them? And they don't make ADE available. It appears that version 17 could be run in wine, but how do we get it? On the other hand, my Kobo Touch ereader, which runs Linux inside, says in the about page that it contains Reader® Mobile from Adobe. The DRM technology is theirs. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-15 05:36:06 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 04.51, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-14 15:14:07 Carlos E. R. wrote:
The procedure then is:
option a) In a Windows computer install ADE, and match your reader to ADE (authorize it). Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE. ADE should be able to put the epub on the ereader, if it supports DRM.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option b) In a Windows computer install ADE. Then on that Windows computer click on the link to "download" the epub which should offer to download with ADE. Do it. Verify that you can read the ebook inside ADE.
Install Calibre with the plugin, and then open the epub - somehow, the plugin finds the key somewhere in ADE. Save the epub. Use Calibre to read the epub directly, or store it on the ereader, this time without protection.
option c) Install ADE and calibre in the ipad or Android machine. Install the plugin. Download the epub from its link, which should trigger download with ADE. You should be able to read the epub inside ADE. Then use calibre to open the same file and save elsewhere. Hopefully it is decrypted and you can copy over to your reader device.
I have not tested C, it is an assumption.
Isn't it amazing, having to go through all of this just to get a real copy of a free book? This is a case of an industry that still thinks that all Linux users are pirates. The vendor of my favourite 3D Modeling package is the same; their software runs only on Windoze and Mac (though they do allow their background rendering to run on Linux, otherwise nobody in the 3D industry would use it).
You have to blame Adobe specifically, they refuse to publish Linux versions of their software.
In the past, they made Acrobat Reader for Linux, then they stopped. Why? What happened? Why do they hate us? Did we piss them?
And they don't make ADE available. It appears that version 17 could be run in wine, but how do we get it?
On the other hand, my Kobo Touch ereader, which runs Linux inside, says in the about page that it contains Reader® Mobile from Adobe. The DRM technology is theirs.
It's not that Adobe stopped making a Linux version of their reader, it's that they refused to plug the security holes in it, so most Linux distros dropped it and recommended that it not be used. From what I've read, Adobe is pretty cavalier about the quality of their code. My comment is more about the unavailability of ebook code readers for the Linux platform, and DRM issues in general. I have bought only two ebooks, which are DRMed, and AFAIK I can only read them using Amazon's web-based viewer, which is pretty pitiful. (If there's something else I can use that doesn't involve dedicated hardware or Windoze, please clue me in. :-) ) Leslie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 13.19, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 05:36:06 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 04.51, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-14 15:14:07 Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
I have not tested C, it is an assumption.
Isn't it amazing, having to go through all of this just to get a real copy of a free book? This is a case of an industry that still thinks that all Linux users are pirates. The vendor of my favourite 3D Modeling package is the same; their software runs only on Windoze and Mac (though they do allow their background rendering to run on Linux, otherwise nobody in the 3D industry would use it).
You have to blame Adobe specifically, they refuse to publish Linux versions of their software.
In the past, they made Acrobat Reader for Linux, then they stopped. Why? What happened? Why do they hate us? Did we piss them?
And they don't make ADE available. It appears that version 17 could be run in wine, but how do we get it?
On the other hand, my Kobo Touch ereader, which runs Linux inside, says in the about page that it contains Reader® Mobile from Adobe. The DRM technology is theirs.
It's not that Adobe stopped making a Linux version of their reader, it's that they refused to plug the security holes in it, so most Linux distros dropped it and recommended that it not be used. From what I've read, Adobe is pretty cavalier about the quality of their code.
Well, they stopped updating their software years ago, it will not even run on Leap. It is abandonware. I don't know what holes it had at the time, but in any case, I was quite happy being able to run Acrobat Reader in Linux. Now I can't, and I need it.
My comment is more about the unavailability of ebook code readers for the Linux platform, and DRM issues in general. I have bought only two ebooks, which are DRMed, and AFAIK I can only read them using Amazon's web-based viewer, which is pretty pitiful. (If there's something else I can use that doesn't involve dedicated hardware or Windoze, please clue me in. :-) )
Well, again, blame Adobe. Only Adobe can make that software, I'm afraid, as they own the license (please, if somebody else knows otherwise, please tell). I was not aware that Amazon had a web-based viewer. The only solutions I know are using an old ADE 17 under Wine, or current ADE on Windows in a virtual machine. Oh, I forgot! perhaps ADE in a virtual Android machine. I have not tried this. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-15 06:32:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, they stopped updating their software years ago, it will not even run on Leap. It is abandonware. I don't know what holes it had at the time, but in any case, I was quite happy being able to run Acrobat Reader in Linux. Now I can't, and I need it.
kpdf works well for me. (I use the Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE); it's also available in KDE3, which is still supported on OpenSuSE.) Browsing in YaST, I see also okular, lekha, and xreader in the main repository. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 14.27, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 06:32:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, they stopped updating their software years ago, it will not even run on Leap. It is abandonware. I don't know what holes it had at the time, but in any case, I was quite happy being able to run Acrobat Reader in Linux. Now I can't, and I need it.
kpdf works well for me. (I use the Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE); it's also available in KDE3, which is still supported on OpenSuSE.) Browsing in YaST, I see also okular, lekha, and xreader in the main repository.
None supports XFA forms and javascript. No Linux GUI supports encrypted signature verification, only pdfsig (CLI): cer@Telcontar:~/samples/administracion_pruebas> pdfsig SampleSignedPDFDocument.pdf Digital Signature Info of: SampleSignedPDFDocument.pdf Signature #1: - Signer Certificate Common Name: John B Harris - Signer full Distinguished Name: E=jbharris@adobe.com,CN=John B Harris,O=Adobe Systems Incorporated,L=San Jose,ST=CA,C=US - Signing Time: Jul 16 2009 16:47:47 - Signing Hash Algorithm: SHA1 - Signature Type: adbe.pkcs7.detached - Signed Ranges: [0 - 227012], [248956 - 272318] - Total document signed - Signature Validation: Signature is Valid. - Certificate Validation: Certificate has Expired cer@Telcontar:~/samples/administracion_pruebas> This file was downloadable from <https://blogs.adobe.com/security/SampleSignedPDFDocument.pdf>, now fails. I can email it to you so that you test the feature. cer@Telcontar:~/Cripta/Documentacion/Recibos/Iberdrola/MAD_Elec> pdfsig MAD_Elec_041340672620200629223331242846.pdf Digital Signature Info of: MAD_Elec_041340672620200629223331242846.pdf Signature #1: - Signer Certificate Common Name: FACTURA ELECTRONICA IBERDROLA CLIENTES - Signer full Distinguished Name: C=ES,O=IBERDROLA CLIENTES SAU,OU=CALIDAD SEGURIDAD Y FRAUDE,OID.2.5.4.97=VATES-A95758389,CN=FACTURA ELECTRONICA IBERDROLA CLIENTES - Signing Time: Jul 01 2020 15:41:38 - Signing Hash Algorithm: SHA1 - Signature Type: adbe.pkcs7.sha1 - Signed Ranges: [0 - 311], [15373 - 469237] - Total document signed - Signature Validation: Signature is Valid. - Certificate Validation: Certificate issuer isn't Trusted. cer@Telcontar:~/Cripta/Documentacion/Recibos/Iberdrola/MAD_Elec> pdfstudioviewer (java, proprietary) does display signatures. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-15 08:04:27 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 14.27, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 06:32:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, they stopped updating their software years ago, it will not even run on Leap. It is abandonware. I don't know what holes it had at the time, but in any case, I was quite happy being able to run Acrobat Reader in Linux. Now I can't, and I need it.
kpdf works well for me. (I use the Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE); it's also available in KDE3, which is still supported on OpenSuSE.) Browsing in YaST, I see also okular, lekha, and xreader in the main repository.
None supports XFA forms and javascript. No Linux GUI supports encrypted signature verification, only pdfsig (CLI):
cer@Telcontar:~/samples/administracion_pruebas> pdfsig SampleSignedPDFDocument.pdf Digital Signature Info of: SampleSignedPDFDocument.pdf Signature #1: - Signer Certificate Common Name: John B Harris - Signer full Distinguished Name: E=jbharris@adobe.com,CN=John B Harris,O=Adobe Systems Incorporated,L=San Jose,ST=CA,C=US - Signing Time: Jul 16 2009 16:47:47 - Signing Hash Algorithm: SHA1 - Signature Type: adbe.pkcs7.detached - Signed Ranges: [0 - 227012], [248956 - 272318] - Total document signed - Signature Validation: Signature is Valid. - Certificate Validation: Certificate has Expired
cer@Telcontar:~/samples/administracion_pruebas>
This file was downloadable from <https://blogs.adobe.com/security/SampleSignedPDFDocument.pdf>, now fails. I can email it to you so that you test the feature.
cer@Telcontar:~/Cripta/Documentacion/Recibos/Iberdrola/MAD_Elec> pdfsig MAD_Elec_041340672620200629223331242846.pdf Digital Signature Info of: MAD_Elec_041340672620200629223331242846.pdf Signature #1: - Signer Certificate Common Name: FACTURA ELECTRONICA IBERDROLA CLIENTES - Signer full Distinguished Name: C=ES,O=IBERDROLA CLIENTES SAU,OU=CALIDAD SEGURIDAD Y FRAUDE,OID.2.5.4.97=VATES-A95758389,CN=FACTURA ELECTRONICA IBERDROLA CLIENTES - Signing Time: Jul 01 2020 15:41:38 - Signing Hash Algorithm: SHA1 - Signature Type: adbe.pkcs7.sha1 - Signed Ranges: [0 - 311], [15373 - 469237] - Total document signed - Signature Validation: Signature is Valid. - Certificate Validation: Certificate issuer isn't Trusted.
cer@Telcontar:~/Cripta/Documentacion/Recibos/Iberdrola/MAD_Elec>
pdfstudioviewer (java, proprietary) does display signatures.
So it's really a DRM issue, not a PDF reader issue, then. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 15.16, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 08:04:27 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 14.27, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 06:32:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
cer@Telcontar:~/Cripta/Documentacion/Recibos/Iberdrola/MAD_Elec> pdfsig MAD_Elec_041340672620200629223331242846.pdf Digital Signature Info of: MAD_Elec_041340672620200629223331242846.pdf Signature #1: - Signer Certificate Common Name: FACTURA ELECTRONICA IBERDROLA CLIENTES - Signer full Distinguished Name: C=ES,O=IBERDROLA CLIENTES SAU,OU=CALIDAD SEGURIDAD Y FRAUDE,OID.2.5.4.97=VATES-A95758389,CN=FACTURA ELECTRONICA IBERDROLA CLIENTES - Signing Time: Jul 01 2020 15:41:38 - Signing Hash Algorithm: SHA1 - Signature Type: adbe.pkcs7.sha1 - Signed Ranges: [0 - 311], [15373 - 469237] - Total document signed - Signature Validation: Signature is Valid. - Certificate Validation: Certificate issuer isn't Trusted.
cer@Telcontar:~/Cripta/Documentacion/Recibos/Iberdrola/MAD_Elec>
pdfstudioviewer (java, proprietary) does display signatures.
So it's really a DRM issue, not a PDF reader issue, then.
No no. This is a different issue, a PDF reader issue, not related at all to DRM. This has been discussed several times in this mail list, so I will just write down the conclusions. No PDF reader in Linux has all the features that the Adobe Acrobat Reader has, and I don't know why. Simple as that. There are two issues: One, verifying cryptographic signatures. See the example I posted above. It is an invoice. The fact that it is signed makes it a legally valid and binding document. It *certifies* that Iberdrola wrote it and that it was not altered. Notice that LibreOffice can generate those documents, so the feature is doable. There simply is no reader that supports it, except some proprietary readers, or some CLI software. Another is XFA forms with javascript. This is not part of the PDF standard, it is an Adobe extension. Possibly supporting javascript would be a security nightmare, but there are forms that use it and will not render properly without it. Government administration generated, thus important. Examples: Try the US IRS I-9 document: <https://www.uscis.gov/i-9> http://www.seg-social.es/Internet_6/Pensionistas/Servicios/Solicitudesdepres... http://smarte-forms.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/birth-certificate-appl... http://www.financnisprava.cz/assets/tiskopisy/IF_5401_20.pdf?201708040722 -> IF_5401_20.pdf?201708040722 -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-15 08:42:42 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 15.16, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 08:04:27 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 14.27, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 06:32:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
cer@Telcontar:~/Cripta/Documentacion/Recibos/Iberdrola/MAD_Elec> pdfsig MAD_Elec_041340672620200629223331242846.pdf Digital Signature Info of: MAD_Elec_041340672620200629223331242846.pdf Signature #1: - Signer Certificate Common Name: FACTURA ELECTRONICA IBERDROLA CLIENTES - Signer full Distinguished Name: C=ES,O=IBERDROLA CLIENTES SAU,OU=CALIDAD SEGURIDAD Y FRAUDE,OID.2.5.4.97=VATES-A95758389,CN=FACTURA ELECTRONICA IBERDROLA CLIENTES - Signing Time: Jul 01 2020 15:41:38 - Signing Hash Algorithm: SHA1 - Signature Type: adbe.pkcs7.sha1 - Signed Ranges: [0 - 311], [15373 - 469237] - Total document signed - Signature Validation: Signature is Valid. - Certificate Validation: Certificate issuer isn't Trusted.
cer@Telcontar:~/Cripta/Documentacion/Recibos/Iberdrola/MAD_Elec>
pdfstudioviewer (java, proprietary) does display signatures.
So it's really a DRM issue, not a PDF reader issue, then.
No no. This is a different issue, a PDF reader issue, not related at all to DRM.
This has been discussed several times in this mail list, so I will just write down the conclusions.
No PDF reader in Linux has all the features that the Adobe Acrobat Reader has, and I don't know why. Simple as that.
There are two issues:
One, verifying cryptographic signatures. See the example I posted above. It is an invoice. The fact that it is signed makes it a legally valid and binding document. It *certifies* that Iberdrola wrote it and that it was not altered.
Notice that LibreOffice can generate those documents, so the feature is doable. There simply is no reader that supports it, except some proprietary readers, or some CLI software.
Another is XFA forms with javascript. This is not part of the PDF standard, it is an Adobe extension. Possibly supporting javascript would be a security nightmare, but there are forms that use it and will not render properly without it. Government administration generated, thus important.
Examples:
Try the US IRS I-9 document: <https://www.uscis.gov/i-9>
http://www.seg-social.es/Internet_6/Pensionistas/Servicios/Solicitudesdepre sta34887/Pensionesotrasprest40968/Prestacionesfamilia41091/index.htm#BIN4108 3_6 http://smarte-forms.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/birth-certificate-app lication-eform-tt-sample.pdf
http://www.financnisprava.cz/assets/tiskopisy/IF_5401_20.pdf?201708040722 -> IF_5401_20.pdf?201708040722
Oh, I see. The first certainly is irritating, given that other applications can do it. As you say, the second is probably a security risk, but then, it wouldn't be any more risky than other applications that provide the feature, I suppose. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 17.03, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 08:42:42 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 15.16, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
This has been discussed several times in this mail list, so I will just write down the conclusions.
...
Examples:
Try the US IRS I-9 document: <https://www.uscis.gov/i-9>
http://www.seg-social.es/Internet_6/Pensionistas/Servicios/Solicitudesdepre sta34887/Pensionesotrasprest40968/Prestacionesfamilia41091/index.htm#BIN4108 3_6 http://smarte-forms.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/birth-certificate-app lication-eform-tt-sample.pdf
http://www.financnisprava.cz/assets/tiskopisy/IF_5401_20.pdf?201708040722 -> IF_5401_20.pdf?201708040722
Oh, I see. The first certainly is irritating, given that other applications can do it.
Yes. It is a legal problem, if you happen to need signature verification.
As you say, the second is probably a security risk, but then, it wouldn't be any more risky than other applications that provide the feature, I suppose.
The problem is, if you have to fill a government form that uses that, you are forced to use a viewer that supports the format. Foxit may be the only one that does, and not fully. A tax form, for example, can use javascript code to do math on your entries. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-15 13:47:03 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 17.03, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 08:42:42 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 15.16, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
This has been discussed several times in this mail list, so I will just write down the conclusions.
...
Examples:
Try the US IRS I-9 document: <https://www.uscis.gov/i-9>
http://www.seg-social.es/Internet_6/Pensionistas/Servicios/Solicitudesde pre sta34887/Pensionesotrasprest40968/Prestacionesfamilia41091/index.htm#BIN 4108 3_6 http://smarte-forms.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/birth-certificate- app lication-eform-tt-sample.pdf
http://www.financnisprava.cz/assets/tiskopisy/IF_5401_20.pdf?20170804072 2 -> IF_5401_20.pdf?201708040722
Oh, I see. The first certainly is irritating, given that other applications can do it.
Yes.
It is a legal problem, if you happen to need signature verification.
As you say, the second is probably a security risk, but then, it wouldn't be any more risky than other applications that provide the feature, I suppose.
The problem is, if you have to fill a government form that uses that, you are forced to use a viewer that supports the format. Foxit may be the only one that does, and not fully.
A tax form, for example, can use javascript code to do math on your entries.
And there are way too many agencies and companies whose IT folks assume that everyone in the world runs Windoze. :-( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:43 AM Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 15/09/2020 15.16, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 08:04:27 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 14.27, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 06:32:00 Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
cer@Telcontar:~/Cripta/Documentacion/Recibos/Iberdrola/MAD_Elec> pdfsig MAD_Elec_041340672620200629223331242846.pdf Digital Signature Info of: MAD_Elec_041340672620200629223331242846.pdf Signature #1: - Signer Certificate Common Name: FACTURA ELECTRONICA IBERDROLA CLIENTES - Signer full Distinguished Name: C=ES,O=IBERDROLA CLIENTES SAU,OU=CALIDAD SEGURIDAD Y FRAUDE,OID.2.5.4.97=VATES-A95758389,CN=FACTURA ELECTRONICA IBERDROLA CLIENTES - Signing Time: Jul 01 2020 15:41:38 - Signing Hash Algorithm: SHA1 - Signature Type: adbe.pkcs7.sha1 - Signed Ranges: [0 - 311], [15373 - 469237] - Total document signed - Signature Validation: Signature is Valid. - Certificate Validation: Certificate issuer isn't Trusted.
cer@Telcontar:~/Cripta/Documentacion/Recibos/Iberdrola/MAD_Elec>
pdfstudioviewer (java, proprietary) does display signatures.
So it's really a DRM issue, not a PDF reader issue, then.
No no. This is a different issue, a PDF reader issue, not related at all to DRM.
It seems this is what you are looking for: Signing ODF and PDF documents with LibreOffice https://kamarada.github.io/en/2020/03/13/signing-odf-and-pdf-documents-with-... TLDR: LibreOffice Draw can open PDF documents and is able to check their digital signature. Antonio The Linux Kamarada Project http://kamarada.github.io/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 17.11, Linux Kamarada wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:43 AM Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
On 15/09/2020 15.16, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
No no. This is a different issue, a PDF reader issue, not related at all to DRM.
It seems this is what you are looking for:
Signing ODF and PDF documents with LibreOffice https://kamarada.github.io/en/2020/03/13/signing-odf-and-pdf-documents-with-...
Yes, that's creating them.
TLDR: LibreOffice Draw can open PDF documents and is able to check their digital signature.
Badly. LO used as a PDF reader is terribly bad. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 15/09/2020 17.11, Linux Kamarada wrote:
It seems this is what you are looking for:
Signing ODF and PDF documents with LibreOffice https://kamarada.github.io/en/2020/03/13/signing-odf-and-pdf-documents-with-...
Yes, that's creating them.
Creating them is actually part of the how-to, which also shows how to check their signature.
TLDR: LibreOffice Draw can open PDF documents and is able to check their digital signature.
Badly. LO used as a PDF reader is terribly bad.
You could use LibreOffice just to check the signature. Once you know the signature is valid, you could use another app to actually read the document - e.g. GNOME's Document Viewer (evince). Antonio The Linux Kamarada Project http://kamarada.github.io/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2020-09-15 a las 18:30 -0300, Linux Kamarada escribió:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
On 15/09/2020 17.11, Linux Kamarada wrote:
It seems this is what you are looking for:
Signing ODF and PDF documents with LibreOffice https://kamarada.github.io/en/2020/03/13/signing-odf-and-pdf-documents-with-...
Yes, that's creating them.
Creating them is actually part of the how-to, which also shows how to check their signature.
TLDR: LibreOffice Draw can open PDF documents and is able to check their digital signature.
Badly. LO used as a PDF reader is terribly bad.
You could use LibreOffice just to check the signature. Once you know the signature is valid, you could use another app to actually read the document - e.g. GNOME's Document Viewer (evince).
Way faster to run pdfsign on it on the CLI, takes half a second :-) Or run pdfstudioviewer, which both displays the signature and the document. LO is a fine tool, but not for this :-D - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE Leap 15.1 x86_64 (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iJIEAREIADoWIQQt/vKEw5659AgM/X2NrxRtxRYzXAUCX2E4Phwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJEI2vFG3FFjNc1bEA/230SOVp0zjBUMsp4emc ilvYoSwIPMZ5WG1kWPlbXTBuAQCAyWoyJbSekEixrUEjYOX8Hz0WLk11h2lyduJB zqgJLQ== =1e2f -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 15/09/2020 23.30, Linux Kamarada wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
On 15/09/2020 17.11, Linux Kamarada wrote:
TLDR: LibreOffice Draw can open PDF documents and is able to check their digital signature.
Badly. LO used as a PDF reader is terribly bad.
You could use LibreOffice just to check the signature. Once you know the signature is valid, you could use another app to actually read the document - e.g. GNOME's Document Viewer (evince).
I just tried it, and the rendering is much better than I remember. But being an editor, it underlines in red words it thinks are misspelled, this will not do. It says the signature is Ok, but that the certificate could not be validated. I assume that it doesn't have the certificate of the authority, but that is the same as said by the other methods I have. [...] I want to try in acrobat for Android, which I tried years ago and I did not like. I was going to try again, but after half an hour, it has not yet started to download the app, so I can not try. Maybe tomorrow. I'm off to sleep. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 02:56:30 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 15/09/2020 23.30, Linux Kamarada wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
On 15/09/2020 17.11, Linux Kamarada wrote:
TLDR: LibreOffice Draw can open PDF documents and is able to check their digital signature.
Badly. LO used as a PDF reader is terribly bad.
You could use LibreOffice just to check the signature. Once you know the signature is valid, you could use another app to actually read the document - e.g. GNOME's Document Viewer (evince).
I just tried it, and the rendering is much better than I remember. But being an editor, it underlines in red words it thinks are misspelled, this will not do.
So turn off spell check.
It says the signature is Ok, but that the certificate could not be validated. I assume that it doesn't have the certificate of the authority, but that is the same as said by the other methods I have.
[...]
I want to try in acrobat for Android, which I tried years ago and I did not like. I was going to try again, but after half an hour, it has not yet started to download the app, so I can not try. Maybe tomorrow. I'm off to sleep.
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On 16/09/2020 12.47, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 02:56:30 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 15/09/2020 23.30, Linux Kamarada wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
On 15/09/2020 17.11, Linux Kamarada wrote:
TLDR: LibreOffice Draw can open PDF documents and is able to check their digital signature.
Badly. LO used as a PDF reader is terribly bad.
You could use LibreOffice just to check the signature. Once you know the signature is valid, you could use another app to actually read the document - e.g. GNOME's Document Viewer (evince).
I just tried it, and the rendering is much better than I remember. But being an editor, it underlines in red words it thinks are misspelled, this will not do.
So turn off spell check.
And then change it back when I edit a "Write" document? I'd rather use a PDF reader that is a reader, not an editor :-D I don't want to edit a change by accident, either. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
In data lunedì 14 settembre 2020 12:30:24 CEST, Dave Howorth ha scritto:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:47:53 +0200
Stakanov <stakanov@disroot.org> wrote:
In data domenica 13 settembre 2020 22:11:35 CEST, Dave Howorth ha
scritto:
I'm discussing with a publisher and author of a book how to get an electronic copy of the book. It's published for Kindle, as an ePub (with Adobe DRM) and as a PDF.
So I asked how to download the PDF but haven't got a straight answer yet (grr! :) In the meantime, is it easy/possible to read an e-book intended for a Kindle or a DRM-protected ePub? (And I'd rather not start with trying to install Adobe software inside wine unless there's some absolute guarantee of support, and even then I'd prefer not to).
https://www.epubor.com/calibre-drm-removal-plugins.html gives you an overview of the procedure.
Hmm, so this got me part of the way, but I think there's still something I don't understand.
I installed Calibre (the latest 4.23 from their site). I installed the DeDRM plugin (DeDRM_plugin.zip) from the epubor site. It said it was installed correctly (there's also a link 'GUI version for Linux' that leads to a file called alldrmremoval.tar.gz but I don't understand what that is about - Calibre didn't offer to install it)
Then I tried to open the book I bought but it just seems to open the link. When I bought the book and downloaded it, what I got was a file called URLLink.acsm which seems to be some sort of XML file rather than the content of a book - it's only 1.5 kB. I don't understand how to turn this URLLink.acsm file into the text of an actual book. I thought that's what Calibre and the plugin did?
Do not pirate content, just free you legally owned one please. Good luck and happy reading.
No, as I say I simply want to read a zero-cost book I have 'bought'. I don't understand why something that is free has DRM anyway :( You do have to download the corresponding file onto the ebook reader and then from the ebookreader while it is paired. Then you will perform the dedrming. I do not think they allow you to directly download the book file if not on a kindle directly (another limitation). I may be wrong though.
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Dave Howorth wrote:
Then I tried to open the book I bought but it just seems to open the link. When I bought the book and downloaded it, what I got was a file called URLLink.acsm which seems to be some sort of XML file rather than the content of a book - it's only 1.5 kB. I don't understand how to turn this URLLink.acsm file into the text of an actual book. I thought that's what Calibre and the plugin did?
AFAIK, you *do* need Adobe Digital Editions to download it. I do run it in wine (IIRC you do need a somewhat older version of it, I run ADE17). The real file will end up in ~/.wine/drive_c/users/<USER>/My\ Documents/My\ Digital\ Editions/ That's the version that you have to import to Calibre and treat with the magic
No, as I say I simply want to read a zero-cost book I have 'bought'. I don't understand why something that is free has DRM anyway :(
ACK. I try to buy only epubs, at most with watermark. Free stuff really should be - well, free :P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.09.20 um 18:19 schrieb Peter Suetterlin:
Dave Howorth wrote: ACK. I try to buy only epubs, at most with watermark. Free stuff really should be - well, free :P
REAL PAPER books ??? ;-)) at least after reading you are able to RECYCLE? them as termmal energy..... ...try this with bits and bytes.. they NEED only engery (at least in routers, data brocessing sercvices ....) simoN -- www.becherer.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:35:37 +0200 Simon Becherer <simon@becherer.de> wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:19 schrieb Peter Suetterlin:
Dave Howorth wrote: ACK. I try to buy only epubs, at most with watermark. Free stuff really should be - well, free :P
REAL PAPER books ??? ;-)) at least after reading you are able to RECYCLE? them as termmal energy..... ...try this with bits and bytes.. they NEED only engery (at least in routers, data brocessing sercvices ....)
The ebook is free. The paper book costs £19.99. Though the author has offered to send me a free paper copy since trying to obtain the electronic version is causing me so much grief. I'm tempted to take her up on it. And good luck getting back all the embodied energy of a paper book, BTW. As well as the energy embodied in the paper, there's all the energy expended on cutting down trees, transporting them, converting them to paper and card, making ink and glue, printing and binding the book and then distributing it. I'd guess even the last mile delivery uses more energy than an electronic copy costs, but I'm no expert. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.09.20 um 18:43 schrieb Dave Howorth:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:35:37 +0200 Simon Becherer <simon@becherer.de> wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:19 schrieb Peter Suetterlin:
Dave Howorth wrote: ACK. I try to buy only epubs, at most with watermark. Free stuff really should be - well, free :P
REAL PAPER books ??? ;-)) at least after reading you are able to RECYCLE? them as termmal energy..... ...try this with bits and bytes.. they NEED only engery (at least in routers, data brocessing sercvices ....)
The ebook is free. The paper book costs £19.99. Though the author has offered to send me a free paper copy since trying to obtain the electronic version is causing me so much grief. I'm tempted to take her up on it.
And good luck getting back all the embodied energy of a paper book, BTW. As well as the energy embodied in the paper, there's all the energy expended on cutting down trees, transporting them, converting them to paper and card, making ink and glue, printing and binding the book and then distributing it. I'd guess even the last mile delivery uses more energy than an electronic copy costs, but I'm no expert.
just a joke, i think you are right (with the energy management). i like paper books, they look good, feel good and smell good. problem is i get out of walls for storage :-(((((((( .... what about re-using if toilet paper is missing ? ;-)) try this with a ebook ;-)) simoN -- www.becherer.de/AGB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2020-09-15 00:14:58 Simon Becherer wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:43 schrieb Dave Howorth:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:35:37 +0200
Simon Becherer <simon@becherer.de> wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:19 schrieb Peter Suetterlin:
Dave Howorth wrote: ACK. I try to buy only epubs, at most with watermark. Free stuff really should be - well, free :P
REAL PAPER books ??? ;-)) at least after reading you are able to RECYCLE? them as termmal energy..... ...try this with bits and bytes.. they NEED only engery (at least in routers, data brocessing sercvices ....)
The ebook is free. The paper book costs £19.99. Though the author has offered to send me a free paper copy since trying to obtain the electronic version is causing me so much grief. I'm tempted to take her up on it.
And good luck getting back all the embodied energy of a paper book, BTW. As well as the energy embodied in the paper, there's all the energy expended on cutting down trees, transporting them, converting them to paper and card, making ink and glue, printing and binding the book and then distributing it. I'd guess even the last mile delivery uses more energy than an electronic copy costs, but I'm no expert.
just a joke, i think you are right (with the energy management). i like paper books, they look good, feel good and smell good. problem is i get out of walls for storage :-(((((((( .... what about re-using if toilet paper is missing ? ;-)) try this with a ebook ;-))
Relying on ebooks is risky for bibliophiles because, as usual, one is only buying a license to read, not the book itself; and if there's no way to download it (which with Linux is often), one is at the mercy of the holder of the book. Look what happened recently when MacroShaft decided to get out of the epublishing business and summarily shut down their ebook servers; people who "bought" books from them suddenly had nothing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 13.24, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 00:14:58 Simon Becherer wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:43 schrieb Dave Howorth:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:35:37 +0200 Simon Becherer <> wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:19 schrieb Peter Suetterlin:
Dave Howorth wrote:
...
just a joke, i think you are right (with the energy management). i like paper books, they look good, feel good and smell good. problem is i get out of walls for storage :-(((((((( .... what about re-using if toilet paper is missing ? ;-)) try this with a ebook ;-))
Relying on ebooks is risky for bibliophiles because, as usual, one is only buying a license to read, not the book itself; and if there's no way to download it (which with Linux is often), one is at the mercy of the holder of the book. Look what happened recently when MacroShaft decided to get out of the epublishing business and summarily shut down their ebook servers; people who "bought" books from them suddenly had nothing.
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-15 06:34:36 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 13.24, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 00:14:58 Simon Becherer wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:43 schrieb Dave Howorth:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:35:37 +0200 Simon Becherer <> wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:19 schrieb Peter Suetterlin:
Dave Howorth wrote:
...
just a joke, i think you are right (with the energy management). i like paper books, they look good, feel good and smell good. problem is i get out of walls for storage :-(((((((( .... what about re-using if toilet paper is missing ? ;-)) try this with a ebook ;-))
Relying on ebooks is risky for bibliophiles because, as usual, one is only buying a license to read, not the book itself; and if there's no way to download it (which with Linux is often), one is at the mercy of the holder of the book. Look what happened recently when MacroShaft decided to get out of the epublishing business and summarily shut down their ebook servers; people who "bought" books from them suddenly had nothing.
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze? I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 14.28, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 06:34:36 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 13.24, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 00:14:58 Simon Becherer wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:43 schrieb Dave Howorth:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:35:37 +0200 Simon Becherer <> wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:19 schrieb Peter Suetterlin: > Dave Howorth wrote:
...
just a joke, i think you are right (with the energy management). i like paper books, they look good, feel good and smell good. problem is i get out of walls for storage :-(((((((( .... what about re-using if toilet paper is missing ? ;-)) try this with a ebook ;-))
Relying on ebooks is risky for bibliophiles because, as usual, one is only buying a license to read, not the book itself; and if there's no way to download it (which with Linux is often), one is at the mercy of the holder of the book. Look what happened recently when MacroShaft decided to get out of the epublishing business and summarily shut down their ebook servers; people who "bought" books from them suddenly had nothing.
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze?
Correct :-(
I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine.
Maybe to Android. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-15 08:06:02 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 14.28, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 06:34:36 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 13.24, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 00:14:58 Simon Becherer wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:43 schrieb Dave Howorth:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:35:37 +0200 Simon Becherer <> wrote: > Am 14.09.20 um 18:19 schrieb Peter Suetterlin: >> Dave Howorth wrote:
...
just a joke, i think you are right (with the energy management). i like paper books, they look good, feel good and smell good. problem is i get out of walls for storage :-(((((((( .... what about re-using if toilet paper is missing ? ;-)) try this with a ebook ;-))
Relying on ebooks is risky for bibliophiles because, as usual, one is only buying a license to read, not the book itself; and if there's no way to download it (which with Linux is often), one is at the mercy of the holder of the book. Look what happened recently when MacroShaft decided to get out of the epublishing business and summarily shut down their ebook servers; people who "bought" books from them suddenly had nothing.
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze?
Correct :-(
I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine.
Maybe to Android.
Yeah, but I only use my phone as a phone. (I know, I'm an old fuddy-duddy.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 15.16, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 08:06:02 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 14.28, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 06:34:36 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 13.24, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 00:14:58 Simon Becherer wrote:
Am 14.09.20 um 18:43 schrieb Dave Howorth: > On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:35:37 +0200 Simon Becherer <> wrote: >> Am 14.09.20 um 18:19 schrieb Peter Suetterlin: >>> Dave Howorth wrote:
...
just a joke, i think you are right (with the energy management). i like paper books, they look good, feel good and smell good. problem is i get out of walls for storage :-(((((((( .... what about re-using if toilet paper is missing ? ;-)) try this with a ebook ;-))
Relying on ebooks is risky for bibliophiles because, as usual, one is only buying a license to read, not the book itself; and if there's no way to download it (which with Linux is often), one is at the mercy of the holder of the book. Look what happened recently when MacroShaft decided to get out of the epublishing business and summarily shut down their ebook servers; people who "bought" books from them suddenly had nothing.
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze?
Correct :-(
I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine.
Maybe to Android.
Yeah, but I only use my phone as a phone. (I know, I'm an old fuddy-duddy.)
It might work under a virtual machine with Android. No, I have not tested this. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Am Dienstag, 15. September 2020, 14:28:43 CEST schrieb J Leslie Turriff:
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze? I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine.
No, Calibre can do that DRM-stuff very well: https://linuxconfig.org/calibre-drm-removal-for-ebooks-on-linux Hence your local laws of course. vinz. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2020-09-15 09:35:48 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Am Dienstag, 15. September 2020, 14:28:43 CEST schrieb J Leslie Turriff:
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze? I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine.
No, Calibre can do that DRM-stuff very well: https://linuxconfig.org/calibre-drm-removal-for-ebooks-on-linux
Hence your local laws of course.
vinz.
So now I just have to figure out how to get the book from Amazon onto my Linux machine. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 15. September 2020 17:05:23 schrieb J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff@mail.com>:
On 2020-09-15 09:35:48 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Am Dienstag, 15. September 2020, 14:28:43 CEST schrieb J Leslie Turriff:
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze? I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine.
No, Calibre can do that DRM-stuff very well: https://linuxconfig.org/calibre-drm-removal-for-ebooks-on-linux
Hence your local laws of course.
vinz.
So now I just have to figure out how to get the book from Amazon onto my Linux machine.
The solution is just one online search away: https://ebooks.stackexchange.com/questions/7622/how-to-download-transfer-fro... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2020-09-15 10:45:04 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Am 15. September 2020 17:05:23 schrieb J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff@mail.com>:
On 2020-09-15 09:35:48 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Am Dienstag, 15. September 2020, 14:28:43 CEST schrieb J Leslie Turriff:
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze? I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine.
No, Calibre can do that DRM-stuff very well: https://linuxconfig.org/calibre-drm-removal-for-ebooks-on-linux
Hence your local laws of course.
vinz.
So now I just have to figure out how to get the book from Amazon onto my Linux machine.
The solution is just one online search away: https://ebooks.stackexchange.com/questions/7622/how-to-download-transfer-fr om-kindle-or-amazon-com-to-pc
Too bad it only works (if at all) with Windows. The last post on that thread points out that in fact it doesn't work (which is my experience) unless one has a kindle or equivalent device. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 15. September 2020 17:51:04 schrieb J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff@mail.com>:
On 2020-09-15 10:45:04 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Am 15. September 2020 17:05:23 schrieb J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff@mail.com>:
On 2020-09-15 09:35:48 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Am Dienstag, 15. September 2020, 14:28:43 CEST schrieb J Leslie Turriff:
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze? I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine.
No, Calibre can do that DRM-stuff very well: https://linuxconfig.org/calibre-drm-removal-for-ebooks-on-linux
Hence your local laws of course.
vinz.
So now I just have to figure out how to get the book from Amazon onto my Linux machine.
The solution is just one online search away: https://ebooks.stackexchange.com/questions/7622/how-to-download-transfer-fr om-kindle-or-amazon-com-to-pc
Too bad it only works (if at all) with Windows. The last post on that thread points out that in fact it doesn't work (which is my experience) unless one has a kindle or equivalent device.
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org I highly doubt that hence the -1 rating of that post. Did you even try it yourself to verify? (I can't as I don't buy that stuff.)
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On 2020-09-15 13:13:28 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Too bad it only works (if at all) with Windows. The last post on that thread points out that in fact it doesn't work (which is my experience) unless one has a kindle or equivalent device.
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
I highly doubt that hence the -1 rating of that post. Did you even try it yourself to verify? (I can't as I don't buy that stuff.)
I don't have, and won't buy it either. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 20.24, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 13:13:28 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Too bad it only works (if at all) with Windows. The last post on that thread points out that in fact it doesn't work (which is my experience) unless one has a kindle or equivalent device.
I highly doubt that hence the -1 rating of that post. Did you even try it yourself to verify? (I can't as I don't buy that stuff.)
I don't have, and won't buy it either.
Dave has that problem. He has the link for a DRM protected ebook, which happens to be gratis, but it is impossible to download in Linux. Yes, it is stupid to DRM protect a gratis book. And yes, I do purchase ebooks, and many of them are protected with DRM. It is not my choice. If I want a certain tittle, it is either paper or DRM protected epub, take it or leave it. Or pirate it, which I will not. Paper is out of the question. So, DRM epub it is. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-15 13:57:32 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 20.24, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 13:13:28 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Too bad it only works (if at all) with Windows. The last post on that thread points out that in fact it doesn't work (which is my experience) unless one has a kindle or equivalent device.
I highly doubt that hence the -1 rating of that post. Did you even try it yourself to verify? (I can't as I don't buy that stuff.)
I don't have, and won't buy it either.
Dave has that problem. He has the link for a DRM protected ebook, which happens to be gratis, but it is impossible to download in Linux. Yes, it is stupid to DRM protect a gratis book.
And yes, I do purchase ebooks, and many of them are protected with DRM. It is not my choice. If I want a certain tittle, it is either paper or DRM protected epub, take it or leave it. Or pirate it, which I will not. Paper is out of the question. So, DRM epub it is.
For me, paper is the Only way to go. I can take it anywhere, don't have to worry about power, don't have to worry about the server where it lives going down or being unplugged, and since I Really Do own it (not just a license to access it), I can, if I like, give it away, loan it or sell it; it's nobody's business but mine. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/09/2020 21.04, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 13:57:32 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/09/2020 20.24, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 13:13:28 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
Too bad it only works (if at all) with Windows. The last post on that thread points out that in fact it doesn't work (which is my experience) unless one has a kindle or equivalent device.
I highly doubt that hence the -1 rating of that post. Did you even try it yourself to verify? (I can't as I don't buy that stuff.)
I don't have, and won't buy it either.
Dave has that problem. He has the link for a DRM protected ebook, which happens to be gratis, but it is impossible to download in Linux. Yes, it is stupid to DRM protect a gratis book.
And yes, I do purchase ebooks, and many of them are protected with DRM. It is not my choice. If I want a certain tittle, it is either paper or DRM protected epub, take it or leave it. Or pirate it, which I will not. Paper is out of the question. So, DRM epub it is.
For me, paper is the Only way to go. I can take it anywhere, don't have to worry about power, don't have to worry about the server where it lives going down or being unplugged, and since I Really Do own it (not just a license to access it), I can, if I like, give it away, loan it or sell it; it's nobody's business but mine.
Two issues for me: a) I can not fit more paper without buying a bigger house. Besides my own paper, I have that of generations before me. Ah, I also have a piano. Do you want it? You pay the packaging and post, of course, the piano you get for free. Then I'll have more breathing space :-P I also have music scores, in paper. Lots of it. I tried to write some of it using Rosegarden (Linux), but I did not finish, the hand-written score is difficult to interpret. And I can not make MIDI to really work for me. b) I happen to like English books. I mean, I do not like to read the translations. Once, I bought a second hand book via Internet. You know, Internet is a fantastic invention, do you know it? You absolutely must. Well, I bought, instantly, a second hand book at a library on New York. The book was about six dollars. Mailing it was about nine. And it took a month to arrive. But hey, the people that invented Internet also invented books without paper. The virtually mail somehow the book from anywhere in the world and I can get any tittle in my electronic reader in seconds, in any language. Somehow. It is a fantastic invention this. :-D Seriously, ebooks are a fantastic invention for rare books, or simply written in a different language than the local one. I can get almost any tittle, they never get out of print. No mailing costs, no packaging. For the first time in my life, I can get the book I want, in English, without waiting months or even years for it to arrive (I'm not exaggerating, I have waited years to get some paper books). So, well, there is this DRM nuisance. I can rant all year round, it will will not change anything. If I want to get this or another particular book, it has DRM. There are other books without DRM, but the ones I want normally have DRM. Life is a bitch sometimes. So I pay, which is fair, and swallow the pill. It happens that I could not buy the laptop I wanted with Linux, it came with Windows. Thus, I do have a Windows or two on the house. I boot it once a month or less, when I buy a book or a few books. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 10:45:04 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
The solution is just one online search away: https://ebooks.stackexchange.com/questions/7622/how-to-download-transfer-fr om-kindle-or-amazon-com-to-pc
Too bad it only works (if at all) with Windows. The last post on that thread points out that in fact it doesn't work (which is my experience) unless one has a kindle or equivalent device.
Don't know about the linked solution, but one doesn't need Windows, just Windows programs and Wine. Both for Adobe and Kindle. I've done both successfully (ADE17 and KindleForPC 1.16) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/09/2020 17.33, Peter Suetterlin wrote:
J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-09-15 10:45:04 Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
The solution is just one online search away: https://ebooks.stackexchange.com/questions/7622/how-to-download-transfer-fr om-kindle-or-amazon-com-to-pc
Too bad it only works (if at all) with Windows. The last post on that thread points out that in fact it doesn't work (which is my experience) unless one has a kindle or equivalent device.
Don't know about the linked solution, but one doesn't need Windows, just Windows programs and Wine. Both for Adobe and Kindle. I've done both successfully (ADE17 and KindleForPC 1.16)
Well, that ADE17 runs with wine is something I did not know. Where does one obtain version 17? I have version 2.0.67532, which is not the most recent either. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2020-09-16 19:18, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, that ADE17 runs with wine is something I did not know. Where does one obtain version 17? I have version 2.0.67532, which is not the most recent either.
The second post have an active link to 1.7.2. https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235685 -- /bengan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/09/2020 09.14, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2020-09-16 19:18, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, that ADE17 runs with wine is something I did not know. Where does one obtain version 17? I have version 2.0.67532, which is not the most recent either.
The second post have an active link to 1.7.2.
Thanks! It is 1.7, not 17, that's why I could not figure it out :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 18/09/2020 09.14, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2020-09-16 19:18, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Well, that ADE17 runs with wine is something I did not know. Where does one obtain version 17? I have version 2.0.67532, which is not the most recent either.
The second post have an active link to 1.7.2.
Thanks! It is 1.7, not 17, that's why I could not figure it out :-)
Sorry Carlos, my bad maybe. I had just looked at the Installer file I had here. But of course Windows 8.3 naming cannot handle version dots in the filename.... So it's that you need an older version, not the latest.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2020-09-18 11:51, Peter Suetterlin wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Thanks! It is 1.7, not 17, that's why I could not figure it out :-)
Sorry Carlos, my bad maybe. I had just looked at the Installer file I had here. But of course Windows 8.3 naming cannot handle version dots in the filename....
So it's that you need an older version, not the latest....
It might work with later versions[2][3] although the installation[1] seems a bit tricky according to winehq. ref. [1] https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=33276 [2] https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=6326 [3] ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/digitaleditions/ -- /bengan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 16:35:48 +0200 Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz@vinzv.de> wrote:
Am Dienstag, 15. September 2020, 14:28:43 CEST schrieb J Leslie Turriff:
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze? I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine.
No, Calibre can do that DRM-stuff very well: https://linuxconfig.org/calibre-drm-removal-for-ebooks-on-linux
How, exactly? That article says: "Try it out. Find an ebook that has DRM. Click on the "Add Book" button in Calibre and browse to your book. Import it. You should be able to open up your newly imported book in the Calibre viewer." But that doesn't answer the question. The word "browse" there doesn't mean the usual thing of roam the Internet; it simply means scan the filesystem of your computer. And the question (with implied negative answer) was how to DOWNLOAD an ebook from a source - Amazon so presumably kindle, but I find it's the same with epubs as well - to your Linux computer. That's the part that Leslie and I and everybody else are finding difficult.
Hence your local laws of course.
vinz.
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On 15/09/2020 20.55, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 16:35:48 +0200 Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz@vinzv.de> wrote:
Am Dienstag, 15. September 2020, 14:28:43 CEST schrieb J Leslie Turriff:
Which is why wary bibliophiles make a backup copy of the epubs without DRM.
Which seems to require Windoze? I haven't found a way to download the ebooks that I "purchased" on Amazon to my Linux machine.
No, Calibre can do that DRM-stuff very well: https://linuxconfig.org/calibre-drm-removal-for-ebooks-on-linux
How, exactly? That article says:
"Try it out. Find an ebook that has DRM. Click on the "Add Book" button in Calibre and browse to your book. Import it. You should be able to open up your newly imported book in the Calibre viewer."
But that doesn't answer the question. The word "browse" there doesn't mean the usual thing of roam the Internet; it simply means scan the filesystem of your computer.
And the question (with implied negative answer) was how to DOWNLOAD an ebook from a source - Amazon so presumably kindle, but I find it's the same with epubs as well - to your Linux computer.
That's the part that Leslie and I and everybody else are finding difficult.
You are right. Downloading the DRM protected ebook in Linux is simply not possible - except using old ADE17 under Wine. It is possible in *closed and locked* proprietary Linux machines, such as a kobo ereader. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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