[opensuse] Autopackage ?
Hello All, It seems an autopackage system exists. I'd like to know how people especially the people @ Novell/SuSE think about this? Will it be added to openSuSE? http://autopackage.org/ An article about packing systems. http://polishlinux.org/linux/the-future-of-packaging-software-in-linux/ Regards, Joop Boonen. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Joop Boonen <joop_boonen@web.de> writes:
Hello All,
It seems an autopackage system exists. I'd like to know how people especially the people @ Novell/SuSE think about this? Will it be added to openSuSE? http://autopackage.org/
An article about packing systems. http://polishlinux.org/linux/the-future-of-packaging-software-in-linux/
The article calls "autopackage" dying ;-) I suggest to discuss this on the opensuse-packaging mailing list, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Joop Boonen escribió:
Hello All,
It seems an autopackage system exists. I'd like to know how people especially the people @ Novell/SuSE think about this? Will it be added to openSuSE? http://autopackage.org/
An article about packing systems. http://polishlinux.org/linux/the-future-of-packaging-software-in-linux/
We have enough package managers already .. Zenworks, yast, Zypper, smart.yum,apt4rpm ... what we need is actually **less** package managers and **more** quality.
On Monday 19 February 2007, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
what we need is actually **less** package managers and **more** quality.
Got that right. The one think I like about Ubuntu is the package management. If the old SuSE YOU had to go, why not adopt one of the others and make it better rather than starting from scratch? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
If the old SuSE YOU had to go, why not adopt one of the others and make it better rather than starting from scratch?
I think they did so but may be not choosing the good one :-() jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Le manuel d'optique de Lucien Dodin http://lesprismes.free.fr/optique/index.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:33:06AM +0100, jdd wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
If the old SuSE YOU had to go, why not adopt one of the others and make it better rather than starting from scratch?
I think they did so but may be not choosing the good one :-()
Well, Yast Online Update based on libzypp works fine. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 19 February 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:33:06AM +0100, jdd wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
If the old SuSE YOU had to go, why not adopt one of the others and make it better rather than starting from scratch?
I think they did so but may be not choosing the good one :-()
Well, Yast Online Update based on libzypp works fine.
Ye Gads Another one? Zen Updater Suseupdater And now YOU, previously thrown under the bus crawls out of the grave? When will it end!?? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 11:38:44PM -0900, John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 19 February 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:33:06AM +0100, jdd wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
If the old SuSE YOU had to go, why not adopt one of the others and make it better rather than starting from scratch?
I think they did so but may be not choosing the good one :-()
Well, Yast Online Update based on libzypp works fine.
Ye Gads Another one? Zen Updater Suseupdater And now YOU, previously thrown under the bus crawls out of the grave?
When will it end!??
? The 10.1 and 10.2 YOU are libzypp based already. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 19 February 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 11:38:44PM -0900, John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 19 February 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:33:06AM +0100, jdd wrote:
John Andersen wrote:
If the old SuSE YOU had to go, why not adopt one of the others and make it better rather than starting from scratch?
I think they did so but may be not choosing the good one :-()
Well, Yast Online Update based on libzypp works fine.
Ye Gads Another one? Zen Updater Suseupdater And now YOU, previously thrown under the bus crawls out of the grave?
When will it end!??
? The 10.1 and 10.2 YOU are libzypp based already.
Ciao, Marcus
What is the specific package name and executable name for YOU in 10.2? All I can find are zen-updater and suseupdater. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 20-02-2007 at 10:45, John Andersen <jsa@pen.homeip.net> wrote:
? The 10.1 and 10.2 YOU are libzypp based already.
Ciao, Marcus
What is the specific package name and executable name for YOU in 10.2?
All I can find are zen-updater and suseupdater.
yast2-online-update; and it can be started from the CLI using you, or within Yast, Software Management, Online Update. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 02:56, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On 20-02-2007 at 10:45, John Andersen <jsa@pen.homeip.net> wrote:
? The 10.1 and 10.2 YOU are libzypp based already.
Ciao, Marcus
What is the specific package name and executable name for YOU in 10.2?
All I can find are zen-updater and suseupdater.
yast2-online-update; and it can be started from the CLI using you, or within Yast, Software Management, Online Update.
Dominique
The opensuseupdater can use Novell ZENWorks (zmd) or Default, which is YOU. It is set by default to Novell ZENWorks, but right click on icon and Configure Applet solves this :-) The zmd run its checks on every boot for a quite some time with priority that makes all other processes to crawl long enough to be annoyance. If it would run much longer with very low priority I wouldn't mind, but as it is set now, no. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
The opensuseupdater can use Novell ZENWorks (zmd) or Default, which is YOU. It is set by default to Novell ZENWorks, but right click on icon and Configure Applet solves this :-)
You are not describing opensuseupdater, but zen-updater. Opensuseupdater does not use zmd, and takes less cpu at start (several seconds only). -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 05:00, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Rajko M. wrote:
The opensuseupdater can use Novell ZENWorks (zmd) or Default, which is YOU. It is set by default to Novell ZENWorks, but right click on icon and Configure Applet solves this :-)
You are not describing opensuseupdater, but zen-updater. Opensuseupdater does not use zmd, and takes less cpu at start (several seconds only).
-- Joe Morris
Joe, I'm describing what I see on my desktop. Icons are different for two, and zen-updater is using zmd only. The opensuseupdater will use zmd if it is installed, but user can switch to Default. I don't know what happens if one removes zmd and company first, than install opensuseupdater. BTW, zmd is not installed here, since week or so, as mentioned in last post, zmd runs long and aggressive after boot, keeping all processes slow, that is the main reason I removed it. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 3:09 am, John Andersen wrote:
If the old SuSE YOU had to go, why not adopt one of the others and make it better rather than starting from scratch?
I'm still mystified why it had to go in the first place. What was wrong with it? Why throw out something that works and suddenly have no official package system for the distro? Replace it with making the users figure out what to use, zmd, zypper, apt, smart, who knows what else? This has been a big step backward rather than forward. Bryan -- **************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 6.0 KDE 3.5.3 KMail 1.9.3 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net **************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:03:29AM -0500, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 3:09 am, John Andersen wrote:
If the old SuSE YOU had to go, why not adopt one of the others and make it better rather than starting from scratch?
I'm still mystified why it had to go in the first place. What was wrong with it? Why throw out something that works and suddenly have no official package system for the distro? Replace it with making the users figure out what to use, zmd, zypper, apt, smart, who knows what else?
But it did not go away? The old YAST Packagemanagement had problems handling: - more than 1 package repository (it was possible, but not really well) - updates with dependency changes / additions. - the updater did not check dependencies _at_all_
This has been a big step backward rather than forward.
No. Only the stability has been lacking, but featurewise it is a step forward. Ciao, marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:03:29AM -0500, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 3:09 am, John Andersen wrote:
If the old SuSE YOU had to go, why not adopt one of the others and make it better rather than starting from scratch?
I'm still mystified why it had to go in the first place. What was wrong with it? Why throw out something that works and suddenly have no official package system for the distro? Replace it with making the users figure out what to use, zmd, zypper, apt, smart, who knows what else?
But it did not go away?
The old YAST Packagemanagement had problems handling: - more than 1 package repository (it was possible, but not really well) - updates with dependency changes / additions. - the updater did not check dependencies _at_all_
This has been a big step backward rather than forward.
No. Only the stability has been lacking, but featurewise it is a step forward.
Ciao, marcus
------------ But why couldn't those features have been added to the earlier QT Yast the same as you're doing with this new Mono thing? Even with the missing features, I know I, as well as many here, had good luck with it and certainly fewer problems than the present setup. I never felt the need to use anything else while it was there. I mean I understand Novell had to give Mono a reason for living, although I don't know why, but why couldn't it have been used as an alternative or for something else completely? I'm sure many of us feel like it was forced upon us and that is not such a good thing. regards, Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
But why couldn't those features have been added to the earlier QT Yast the same as you're doing with this new Mono thing? Even with the missing features, I know I, as well as many here, had good luck with it and certainly fewer problems than the present setup. I never felt the need to use anything else while it was there.
Thats what we did. YAST2 Packagemanager and YAST Online Update do not use ZMD at all.
I mean I understand Novell had to give Mono a reason for living, although I don't know why, but why couldn't it have been used as an alternative or for something else completely? I'm sure many of us feel like it was forced upon us and that is not such a good thing.
We do have another choice. As for forcing, yes, it was also forced on us. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 04:58, BandiPat wrote:
No. Only the stability has been lacking, but featurewise it is a step forward.
Ciao, marcus
Now Marcus, please tell us where you heard that first and if you really meant it. If SuSE has dropped that low and joined the marketeers... ayayayayaya... dimitris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 01:52 -0300, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
Joop Boonen escribió:
Hello All,
It seems an autopackage system exists. I'd like to know how people especially the people @ Novell/SuSE think about this? Will it be added to openSuSE? http://autopackage.org/
An article about packing systems. http://polishlinux.org/linux/the-future-of-packaging-software-in-linux/
We have enough package managers already .. Zenworks, yast, Zypper, smart.yum,apt4rpm ... what we need is actually **less** package managers and **more** quality.
Why do we need so many just have one good one and leave well enough alone. YaST was fine for so long the only problem was finding RPM for things such as SeaHorse Key manager for Gnome. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Marcus Meissner -
Rajko M.