[opensuse] Re: Partitioning problem in installing oS v11.1
Stan Goodman a écrit :
I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table. No, not true.
DOS/Windows have two fat, may be this is the error
The machine has been rebooted many times since the DFSee operations. What is there is the partitions I put there, not what the installer says.
please, when somebody ask you to give an info, give it. open a terminal with any linux on this computer, go root and type "fdisk -l" copy here the result... thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 11:09:41 on Friday Friday 02 October 2009, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Stan Goodman a écrit :
I think, in fact, that HDs have two copies of the partition table.
No, not true.
DOS/Windows have two fat, may be this is the error
The machine has been rebooted many times since the DFSee operations. What is there is the partitions I put there, not what the installer says.
please, when somebody ask you to give an info, give it.
I thought the answer I gave Carlos was a complete one. It seemed clear from his question that he wanted to see if a reboot would clear up the confusion; I answered that the system had been rebooted many times, implying that another one wouldn't help.
open a terminal with any linux on this computer, go root and type "fdisk -l"
There was at the time no Linux or any other operating system on the disk, only empty partitions. I could have used DFSee in fdisk mode, but I didn't think of it at 2 in the morning. For the record, the fdisk mode did show me the partition arrangement on the disk, which was the Boot Manager (in the MBR, as has been noted, although I can't fathom how it got there), and the three partitions that I had made. There still is no system. Right now, the machine is wiping the free space -- which is the entire disk because I have deleted the partitions. I had previously wiped Track 1. I'm sure I could have done with wiping less, but I am now in a mode of preferring overkill to leaving anything undone.
copy here the result...
thanks jdd
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Stan Goodman a écrit :
open a terminal with any linux on this computer, go root and type "fdisk -l"
There was at the time no Linux or any other operating system on the disk, only empty partitions.
how did you run DFSee? from it's own disk? any live linux disk will do the job for fdisk, openSUSE rescue mode is fine anyway, you can begin with: http://wiki.tldp.org/Partition-Mass-Storage-Dummies-Linux-HOWTO don't mix partition table and MBR. Rewriting a MBR should not erase the partition table nor erasing the partition table do erase the drive. The table is only that, a table. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 12:19:32 on Friday Friday 02 October 2009, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Stan Goodman a écrit :
open a terminal with any linux on this computer, go root and type "fdisk -l"
There was at the time no Linux or any other operating system on the disk, only empty partitions.
how did you run DFSee? from it's own disk? any live linux disk will do the job for fdisk, openSUSE rescue mode is fine
Yes, now that I am awake and this is mid-day, that is clear. I ran DFSee from its bootable disk. (Since there is still no operating system that was the only option. I have now wiped the entire disk. Toward the end of the wipe, when DFSee said the ETA was 6 seconds and there were 63 sectors (31.5 KB) left to go, all stopped. The HD light showed intermitent operation, but nothing happened on the screen. After tending to other matters for about a helf hour, I tried to stop the operation or leave DFSee using F3, but it was hung. I had to use the power switch. Restarting withe the DFSee disk, I made a new MBR and made partitions. The Boot Manager is now NOT in the MBR. It is marked ACTIVE. I made three logical partitions, including a Swap (sda5), and two for / (sda6) and /home (sda7). There is nothing more on the disk, unless it is in the unwiped 31.5 at the end of the disk. There couldn't be anything else. I then inserted the oS installation disk and booted from it. When it got to the s stage of suggesting partitions, it offered to put / on sda3 (20GB) and /home on sda4 (140.7GB); I did not make these, and I do not recognize the size numbers. It did put Swap on sda5, with the size I had made, and then listed sda6 and sda7 with the sizes I had made., without specifying mounting points. Summarizing, it inserted 160GB into the partition array on its own initiative. I think I have presented all the details that I have observed. If I have omitted something, please don't hesitate to ask.
anyway, you can begin with:
http://wiki.tldp.org/Partition-Mass-Storage-Dummies-Linux-HOWTO
don't mix partition table and MBR. Rewriting a MBR should not erase the partition table nor erasing the partition table do erase the drive. The table is only that, a table.
jdd
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Stan Goodman wrote:
I then inserted the oS installation disk and booted from it. When it got to the s stage of suggesting partitions, it offered to put / on sda3 (20GB) and /home on sda4 (140.7GB); I did not make these, and I do not recognize the size numbers.
I rarely pay much attention to what the installer suggests, but maybe those are just the actual _suggestions_ ? Try "Reread partition table" and see what you get.
It did put Swap on sda5, with the size I had made, and then listed sda6 and sda7 with the sizes I had made., without specifying mounting points.
Summarizing, it inserted 160GB into the partition array on its own initiative.
I think those are the _suggestions_ made - you can accept them or edit the partition setup to suit your own purpose. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.3°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 15:14:06 on Friday Friday 02 October 2009, Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Stan Goodman wrote:
I then inserted the oS installation disk and booted from it. When it got to the s stage of suggesting partitions, it offered to put / on sda3 (20GB) and /home on sda4 (140.7GB); I did not make these, and I do not recognize the size numbers.
I rarely pay much attention to what the installer suggests, but maybe those are just the actual _suggestions_ ? Try "Reread partition table" and see what you get.
Fine idea. I don't see an option for "Reread partition table". Where is that?
It did put Swap on sda5, with the size I had made, and then listed sda6 and sda7 with the sizes I had made., without specifying mounting points.
Summarizing, it inserted 160GB into the partition array on its own initiative.
I think those are the _suggestions_ made - you can accept them or edit the partition setup to suit your own purpose.
I have always edited the offered arrangement. But I do not remember ever having the list of Available Storage being ficticious, as it is in this case. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stan Goodman wrote:
At 15:14:06 on Friday Friday 02 October 2009, Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Stan Goodman wrote:
I then inserted the oS installation disk and booted from it. When it got to the s stage of suggesting partitions, it offered to put / on sda3 (20GB) and /home on sda4 (140.7GB); I did not make these, and I do not recognize the size numbers.
I rarely pay much attention to what the installer suggests, but maybe those are just the actual _suggestions_ ? Try "Reread partition table" and see what you get.
Fine idea. I don't see an option for "Reread partition table". Where is that?
It's well hidden - I can't remember where, sorry.
It did put Swap on sda5, with the size I had made, and then listed sda6 and sda7 with the sizes I had made., without specifying mounting points.
Summarizing, it inserted 160GB into the partition array on its own initiative.
I think those are the _suggestions_ made - you can accept them or edit the partition setup to suit your own purpose.
I have always edited the offered arrangement. But I do not remember ever having the list of Available Storage being ficticious, as it is in this case.
Ah, that wasn't clear to me - maybe YaST is confused about the size of your drive? /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/10/02 15:04 (GMT+0200) Stan Goodman composed:
Restarting withe the DFSee disk, I made a new MBR and made partitions. The Boot Manager is now NOT in the MBR. It is marked ACTIVE. I made three
Don't say "The Boot Manaager", as it is unclear what you mean. If you mean IBM Boot Manager, write "IBM Boot Manager", "IBM BM", "Boot Manager" or "BM". Most here aren't conscious of your many years using OS/2 and its Boot Manager that lives on its own primary partition. If you mean some other boot manager, do not capitalize the words boot or manager; and better yet, refer to it by capitalized name, e.g. Grub or Lilo.
logical partitions, including a Swap (sda5), and two for / (sda6) and /home (sda7). There is nothing more on the disk, unless it is in the unwiped 31.5 at the end of the disk. There couldn't be anything else.
At this point had you saved DFSEE.LOG to put in an email you could have made JDD happy, as it is a good substitute for the output of 'fdisk -l' that he repeatedly asks for but you never provide.
I then inserted the oS installation disk and booted from it. When it got to the s stage of suggesting partitions,
This is where your problem starts. When you partition in advance, you must select advance partitioning to be able to use what has already been created.
it offered to put / on sda3 (20GB) and /home on sda4 (140.7GB); I did not make these, and I do not recognize the size numbers.
That's because the automatic partitioning you chose to do will use part or all your HD as it sees fit to present you with its proposal. Note that automatic partitioning will normally include at least one primary for its own use. You gave it none to choose from, so it had to create one. -- " A patriot without religion . . . is as great a paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God. . . . 2nd U.S. President, John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 19:51:13 on Friday Friday 02 October 2009, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
On 2009/10/02 15:04 (GMT+0200) Stan Goodman composed:
Restarting withe the DFSee disk, I made a new MBR and made partitions. The Boot Manager is now NOT in the MBR. It is marked ACTIVE. I made three
Don't say "The Boot Manaager", as it is unclear what you mean. If you mean IBM Boot Manager, write "IBM Boot Manager", "IBM BM", "Boot Manager" or "BM". Most here aren't conscious of your many years using OS/2 and its Boot Manager that lives on its own primary partition. If you mean some other boot manager, do not capitalize the words boot or manager; and better yet, refer to it by capitalized name, e.g. Grub or Lilo.
logical partitions, including a Swap (sda5), and two for / (sda6) and /home (sda7). There is nothing more on the disk, unless it is in the unwiped 31.5 at the end of the disk. There couldn't be anything else.
At this point had you saved DFSEE.LOG to put in an email you could have made JDD happy, as it is a good substitute for the output of 'fdisk -l' that he repeatedly asks for but you never provide.
You are right about all the above. Sorry.
I then inserted the oS installation disk and booted from it. When it got to the s stage of suggesting partitions,
This is where your problem starts. When you partition in advance, you must select advance partitioning to be able to use what has already been created.
That must be the difference between past experience and the current struggle.
it offered to put / on sda3 (20GB) and /home on sda4 (140.7GB); I did not make these, and I do not recognize the size numbers.
That's because the automatic partitioning you chose to do will use part or all your HD as it sees fit to present you with its proposal.
Very clear. This is what jdd said, and I did not connect the dots.
Note that automatic partitioning will normally include at least one primary for its own use. You gave it none to choose from, so it had to create one.
I did make the Boot Manager before I started, and it was of necessity primary. The installer, of course, didn't know this. Again, the basic problem was the result of choosing automatic partitioning. --
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