On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:44:26 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Monday 17 January 2005 14:29, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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I just read an ad for Novell Linux Desktop (NLD) training.

One requirement for training is "Internet Explorer".

That is just too sad. They should at least add firefox 1.0 to the list.

It may "only" have 5% of the market, but it is the 5% that are most likely to be interested in NLD.

Greg

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:35:18 -0800, Matthew wrote:

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Do you have a link to this? Hope that they fix this, will make a pretty bad headline...

Matt

I saw it in a spam, but you can also find it in the small print at

http://register.novell.com/registernow/naatt.cfm#2154

Click on more info for Online Novell Linux Desktop training, then the second sentence is:

"Participants need an Internet connection and Internet Explorer to experience the web presentation and connect remotely to a server hosting an image of the Novell Linux Desktop."

Greg

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Hmm, and now this link fails with SQL error, displaying parts of the server code. Tell me about security... Sunny -- Get Firefox http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=10745&t=85

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:52:39 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:47:53 -0600, Sunny wrote:

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:44:26 -0500, Greg Freemyer

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I saw it in a spam, but you can also find it in the small print at

http://register.novell.com/registernow/naatt.cfm#2154

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Hmm, and now this link fails with SQL error, displaying parts of the server code. Tell me about security...

Sunny

Strange, it works for me with Firefox 1.0, but I admit I am using a Win2k box to browse from.

Greg

Same here. And now works. I had to copy ... :( But ... good reaction :) Sunny -- Get Firefox http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=10745&t=85

Greg Freemyer wrote:

I saw it in a spam, but you can also find it in the small print at

http://register.novell.com/registernow/naatt.cfm#2154

Click on more info for Online Novell Linux Desktop training, then the second sentence is:

"Participants need an Internet connection and Internet Explorer to experience the web presentation and connect remotely to a server hosting an image of the Novell Linux Desktop."

Maybe those ads are targeted at people, who don't know there are alternatives to IE. ;-)

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:23:14 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:17:57 -0500, James Knott wrote:

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Greg Freemyer wrote:

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I saw it in a spam, but you can also find it in the small print at

http://register.novell.com/registernow/naatt.cfm#2154

Click on more info for Online Novell Linux Desktop training, then the second sentence is:

"Participants need an Internet connection and Internet Explorer to experience the web presentation and connect remotely to a server hosting an image of the Novell Linux Desktop."

Maybe those ads are targeted at people, who don't know there are alternatives to IE. ;-)

I think the requirement is because these webinar functions are hosted (not a Novell provided function), and the hosted system is architected around IE. Firefox is a better browser, yes .... but for several years IE has been the browser of choice for those developing commercial web applications. It will take a little while, and some more market upswing by FF, to change that dramatically. It is only with the "next" (ie Open Enterprise Server, now in beta) version of iManager that FF works well as the browser for this management tool. Older versions worked, but functioned awkwardly. peter

Sid Boyce wrote:

There has been no CHOICE, netscape used to work with a kind of threat attached "You seem to be using a browser other than IE" etc., etc., then seemingly as time went by they discovered a way not to allow other browsers. Netscape and mozilla have been around for years, but some developers are either biased against other browsers or they don't have the required smarts, but many sites accept just about any browser. I've seen Linux firewalls that can only be configured to work with Windows. Novell are not alone as many moons ago IBM put up some Linux software for download by IE only and on searchenterpriselinux.com there are webcasts to do with Linux that require a Windows platform. Perhaps they do this thinking that Linux guys don't need to know the stuff, but whatever the reason, it's plain daft. The best strategy I've read of - one company converting to Linux from Windows fired those Windows guys who couldn't adapt and hired fewer Linux guys as the numbers needed were not as many as needed for Windows. Perhaps Novell should fire the few still stuck in a time warp. Regards Sid.

Here's an interesting article http://www.linuxpipeline.com/57701967

Þann Miðvikudagur 19 janúar 2005 00:37 skrifaði Sid Boyce:

The best strategy I've read of - one company converting to Linux from Windows fired those Windows guys who couldn't adapt and hired fewer Linux guys as the numbers needed were not as many as needed for Windows. Perhaps Novell should fire the few still stuck in a time warp.

It's not as simple as it sounds ... I had the same "thoughts" 5 years ago, but quickly came to realice the truth in the matter. It's unlikely that a computer company, or a software company will hire you if you are really "good". For the simple reason, that selling software isn't very profitable ... what is more profitable, is to be able to sell the services associated with the software. So, if you sell "one" package of good working software, that works after people have learned to use it ... then it's unlikely that the user will change or need any further details. Given a lifetime of say 5 years (with some average budget), this means that you'll need a huge userbase to make any profit, and you're still likely to only survive for a year or two ... if you're lucky (this is just a gross estimate). You need to be able to sell services, to keep alive. Much in a similar way, as you see printers today ... you can buy a photo printer cheap ... with an inkjet cartridge included. But the inkjet cartridge will soon "wear off", and when you need a new one ... it's almost cheaper to buy a new printer (when they're on special offers). I bet you've probably been to places, where they're still running old Informix servers on unix, as a database. Logging in through a terminal based interfaces ... that's some nice lifetime for software. But it's not gonna make you rich, to sell stuff like that ... modern buisness is to make the software and hardware, not last too long ... and if it's guaranteed that you're "stuck" with buying upgrades for the next 5 years ... that makes the buisness even worth more. So, being "good" at something is not a positive issue in todays world ... it's a negative.

Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and Keen Flyer =====ALMOST ALL LINUX USED HERE, Solaris 10 SPARC is just for play=====