On Thursday 29 May 2008 08:56:46 pm Rajko M. wrote:

You can try Live CD of coming openSUSE 11.0: ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/projects/FactoryLiveCDs

Correction, the latest is here: ftp://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/opensuse/distribution/11.0-RC1/iso/cd -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

Even more important to responsiveness is more memory. 1 gig is not enough for a good linux experience unless you run XFCE or something.

I don't have any linux desktops with more than 1GB, and they are all quite snappy - perhaps if you're running multiple resource intensive apps, you'll want more, YMMV. An xcfe system normally ought to be quite responsive even with 256MB - Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:25 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Even more important to responsiveness is more memory. 1 gig is not enough for a good linux experience unless you run XFCE or something.

Wow. I gues this Thinkpad with 384MB should be unusable under KDE 3.5.x then? Seriously, where did you get that idea? Vista and Leopard are the ones that run like crap with less than 2GB RAM. I have 2GB RAM in my dual core celeron 1.6(overclocked to 3.2), but that's because it was only a couple of dollars more at that time to get it. I was only going to get 1GB. My Dell Dual Xeon 610 has 512MB RAM. Heck I've even installed Beta3 on a PowerMac 6500 that has a MAX RAM of 128MB. It ran KDE. Slow, but it ran it. 512MB is the sweet spot IMHO. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:29 PM, John Andersen wrote:

I've NEVER had the best experience until I started adding memory above one meg.

I meant 1 gig obviously. -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:29 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Where? Oh, I don't know, something about running Suse with KDE since the Pleistocene. Do you remember kde 2? I've run it on 256meg and up. I currently use 2 meg in all my machines.

I've ran SuSE since 1999 and v5.3. I started with a P100, then a P166, and then faster. I had never had a machine with 512MB until 2003 when I bought me Dell.

I've NEVER had the best experience until I started adding memory above one meg. My machine virtually never swaps. Applications launch before I can get my finger off the mouse button.

See, I don't have a problem with having to wait a second or 2 for something to start. All things considering, my computers are much more responsive now then they have been. But even with 2GB in my Dual Core Celeron 1.6 clocked at 3.2Ghz, things still don't launch automatically. See, I turn off all that eye candy and crap and it's amazing how much of a difference that makes.

Seriously, buy some memory. You will be amazed at what a difference it makes to that old thinkpad.

Max is 512MB on this machine. It even has a Neomagic 256 AGP chip w/ 2.5MB VRAM, but it plays XviD encoded movies at high quality just finewith a 500Mhz P3. If it does what you need it to do, why force an upgrade? I don't install apparmour or any of that other stuff. The extras is what saps the system, not Linux itself. Have you ever used Damm Small? Runs from RAM on this machine just as fast as Fedora 8 on my DC Celeron. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:35 PM, John Andersen wrote:

512 is the spot where it becomes usable on a daily basis for light web duty.

What exactly do you do? Graphics design? Video editing. Sure, Flash sucks on this machine, but then again, flash sucks. 90% of it is ads or badly designed web sites.

1gig and you can actually do a lot of work on multiple desktops, compiling while surfing and playing music etc.

I am compiling MPlayer while typing this. I don't use multiple desktops. Never saw a use for it. I don't have 20 apps running at once.

Any virtual machines? Better make that 2 gig or watch your swap drive light on all day.

Sure, they need RAM for there sessions. Makes sense. Never use them myself.

A server at init 3: 256 to 512 seems adequate.

My P3/1Ghz server is running just fine with 128MB RAM. NFS and Samba running. scp's at 10MB/s, the card max. Probably get a gigabit card at some point.

Seriously guys. Memory is cheap right now. Its NOT 1997 any more.

Yes, it is. And I generally advocate more RAM over a faster CPU. But I also recommend multiple cores processors over a faster cpu. A dual proc/dual core can be more responsive than a machine that's 50% faster. My Dual Xeon 500Mhz Dell is almost as responsive as a P3/1Ghz. And it's running a 100Mhz bus vs the 1Ghz's 133. Also consider that SDRAM and DDR is now more expensive than DDR2. I have recommended avoiding P4's since they came out. A 1.4Ghz P4 performed almost as fast a a P4/2Ghz. And for desktop usage, it was more responsive. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org