[opensuse] station on Linux

jdd

16 Nov 2019 16 Nov '19

22:52

https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00GQ3685Q do this device or any other works with opensuse? thanks jdd -- Envoyé de mon appareil Android avec Courriel K-9 Mail. Veuillez excuser ma brièveté. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Patrick Shanahan

16 Nov 16 Nov

22:57

* jdd [11-16-19 17:53]:

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https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00GQ3685Q

do this device or any other works with opensuse?

don't know why it would not. usb is pretty standard and has been supported by linux for quite some time. and it's amazon, return is very easy. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd＠dodin.org

17 Nov 17 Nov

08:57

Le 16/11/2019 à 23:57, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :

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* jdd [11-16-19 17:53]:

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https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00GQ3685Q

do this device or any other works with opensuse?

don't know why it would not. usb is pretty standard and has been supported by linux for quite some time. and it's amazon, return is very easy.

the dealer say it's not supported (but may be simply not tested) and the device do support video, ethernet, many usb plugs from a single usb3 from the PC. interesting to avoid multiple plugs on a mobile laptop :-( thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

gumb

00:11

On 16/11/2019 23:52, jdd wrote:

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https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00GQ3685Q

do this device or any other works with opensuse?

Depends what functionality you're going to use. Extra USB ports, audio and ethernet will likely be okay, but notably, you might have issues with the display output. It uses DisplayLink. From playing around with a couple of docks recently I've found that to be terribly unsatisfactory. There's no official DisplayLink package for openSUSE, but somebody has packaged it in an OBS home repo. I tried it out. Got all sorts of weird and undesirable visual artefacts, glitches and odd behaviours. When seeking advice elsewhere online, others advised me that it's effectively a technology that tries to cram potentially huge graphics signals down a constricted pipe, and has to compress things in such a way that these artefacts are very probable. I bought an alternative dock with both HDMI and a VGA port that does up to full HD 1080p which is all I need, hoping that might work better, but neither work by default in Linux, despite it being a dock that explicitly advertises itself as Linux compatible. Hence I'm not at all impressed with the state of play of generic docks on Linux. You really need either a dedicated dock for a traditional laptop, or Thunderbolt. Trying to connect additional displays via either USB A/B, or basic USB-C without Power Delivery or alt-mode capabilities, doesn't seem to work well. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd＠dodin.org

08:58

Le 17/11/2019 à 01:11, gumb a écrit :

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Trying to connect additional displays via either USB A/B, or basic USB-C without Power Delivery or alt-mode capabilities, doesn't seem to work well.

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gumb

13:07

On 17/11/2019 09:58, jdd@dodin.org wrote:

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Le 17/11/2019 à 01:11, gumb a écrit :

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Trying to connect additional displays via either USB A/B, or basic USB-C without Power Delivery or alt-mode capabilities, doesn't seem to work well.

ok, thanks

Having said all that, you might just stumble upon a device that works fine, or good enough. I can't say for certain that all such devices are no good without having tried them. It might come down to tiny, specific differences in hardware. If you get a satisfactory display output I'd be very interested to know, and whether any tweaks are necessary. gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd＠dodin.org

14:22

Le 17/11/2019 à 14:07, gumb a écrit :

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Having said all that, you might just stumble upon a device that works fine, or good enough. I can't say for certain that all such devices are no good without having tried them. It might come down to tiny, specific differences in hardware. If you get a satisfactory display output I'd be very interested to know, and whether any tweaks are necessary.

sure :-) But what you said is what I needed, a real experience: it may work but probably not without some problems I already know that a simple usb3 hub do not work always as expected, so... thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

10:59

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 17/11/2019 01.11, gumb wrote:

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On 16/11/2019 23:52, jdd wrote:

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https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00GQ3685Q

do this device or any other works with opensuse?

I don't understand what the device does.

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Depends what functionality you're going to use. Extra USB ports, audio and ethernet will likely be okay, but notably, you might have issues with the display output. It uses DisplayLink. From playing around with a couple of docks recently I've found that to be terribly unsatisfactory.

So it connects to a computer via USB3 and provides USB3 to others, like an USB3 hub. But it also provides sound. A speaker, then? Same sound as the computer, or different?

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There's no official DisplayLink package for openSUSE, but somebody has packaged it in an OBS home repo. I tried it out. Got all sorts of weird and undesirable visual artefacts, glitches and odd behaviours. When seeking advice elsewhere online, others advised me that it's effectively a technology that tries to cram potentially huge graphics signals down a constricted pipe, and has to compress things in such a way that these artefacts are very probable.

Same video as the computer? Can these things show a different audio and video than the computer? For example, use it to display a movie or the TV while one continues working at the computer. Or have it show a display at a shop, maybe several slow displays, while the computer is at the desk, being used. It might be more interesting to connect via Ethernet, longer distances in a shop.

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I bought an alternative dock with both HDMI and a VGA port that does up to full HD 1080p which is all I need, hoping that might work better, but neither work by default in Linux, despite it being a dock that explicitly advertises itself as Linux compatible. Hence I'm not at all impressed with the state of play of generic docks on Linux. You really need either a dedicated dock for a traditional laptop, or Thunderbolt. Trying to connect additional displays via either USB A/B, or basic USB-C without Power Delivery or alt-mode capabilities, doesn't seem to work well.

gumb

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Dave Howorth

12:19

On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 23:52:19 +0100 jdd wrote:

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https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00GQ3685Q

do this device or any other works with opensuse?

"UD-3900 docking station is compatible with Windows 10, 8.1, 8, 7, & legacy XP systems. Surface RT, Mac OS X, and Linux/Unix are not supported."

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jdd＠dodin.org

14:20

Le 17/11/2019 à 13:19, Dave Howorth a écrit :

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 23:52:19 +0100 jdd wrote:

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https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00GQ3685Q

do this device or any other works with opensuse?

"UD-3900 docking station is compatible with Windows 10, 8.1, 8, 7, & legacy XP systems. Surface RT, Mac OS X, and Linux/Unix are not supported."

yes, I read this, but if Linux was bind by maker supported devices, nobody could use it :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

20 Nov 20 Nov

16:16

On 17/11/2019 07:19, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 23:52:19 +0100 jdd wrote:

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https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00GQ3685Q

do this device or any other works with opensuse?

"UD-3900 docking station is compatible with Windows 10, 8.1, 8, 7, & legacy XP systems. Surface RT, Mac OS X, and Linux/Unix are not supported."

"Compatible" means "works with" "Supported" means that they will take support call pertaining to It may well work with Linux but they don't want to say that as they are purely a Microsoft PC shop and have no other equipment or interest. They are not generalists, they are specialists. 'Supporting' a small subset of what's out there, a set of API etc that is ancestral and continued in specialization. There's a lot of easily available (read: low cost) people with these (read: undemanding) skills. What is interesting is that if they support W/10 and MS does follow though with its "Linux on Windows" ... -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

jdd＠dodin.org

16:34

Le 20/11/2019 à 17:16, Anton Aylward a écrit :

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What is interesting is that if they support W/10 and MS does follow though with its "Linux on Windows" ...

yes, there is now a "start linux" in windows 10 :-)) (not tested) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

21 Nov 21 Nov

08:47

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 5:34 PM jdd@dodin.org wrote:

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Le 20/11/2019 à 17:16, Anton Aylward a écrit :

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What is interesting is that if they support W/10 and MS does follow though with its "Linux on Windows" ...

yes, there is now a "start linux" in windows 10 :-))

(not tested)

I installed the Linux sub-system for windows (LSW). Then, in the 'store' where you get Linux software, I found openSUSE. I installed it with no problem. I get a shell in which I can run openSUSE software. zypper works to keep it up to date. Just be aware that the original install is made for this environment. It is not the off-the-shelf Leap or Tumbleweed. But it is made by openSUSE. LSW is only character based. So it is a shell. I'm quite happy with that. It actually runs either Linux or Windows software directly. But with a proper shell and all the command line programs I take for granted on Linux. I think you can also install something called Microsoft Linux. There is such a thing. But I have to draw the line somewhere... I have read things about people playing with some X servers that will allow X applications to display in a window on the Windows desktop. But I'm not sure how well it worked. And it is just for single applications. I don't think I saw anyone running a Linux desktop. -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott

14:50

On 2019-11-21 03:47 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I installed the Linux sub-system for windows (LSW). Then, in the 'store' where you get Linux software, I found openSUSE. I installed it with no problem. I get a shell in which I can run openSUSE software. zypper works to keep it up to date. Just be aware that the original install is made for this environment. It is not the off-the-shelf Leap or Tumbleweed. But it is made by openSUSE.

There are other distros too. However, there are 2 versions. IIRC, the first one emulated the Linux calls in Windows, but the current one uses an actual Linux kernel. At least that's my understanding. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Roger Oberholtzer

17:10

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 3:50 PM James Knott wrote:

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On 2019-11-21 03:47 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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I installed the Linux sub-system for windows (LSW). Then, in the 'store' where you get Linux software, I found openSUSE. I installed it with no problem. I get a shell in which I can run openSUSE software. zypper works to keep it up to date. Just be aware that the original install is made for this environment. It is not the off-the-shelf Leap or Tumbleweed. But it is made by openSUSE.

There are other distros too. However, there are 2 versions. IIRC, the first one emulated the Linux calls in Windows, but the current one uses an actual Linux kernel. At least that's my understanding.

Indeed there are many Linux distros to install. But I'm partial to openSUSE. I think WSL uses a kernel made for Microsoft by Ubuntu. Or at least they have been involved. This is perhaps what Microsoft Linux really is. But it runs along with the Windows kernel. I have not tested speed. But I did not get a feeling that it was any slower than Windows itself. I am guessing that some of the device drivers must be like VirtualBox where they have to work with the underlying Windows drivers. I wish I had time to explore more. Some day... -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

20 Nov 20 Nov

16:47

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 20/11/2019 17.16, Anton Aylward wrote:

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On 17/11/2019 07:19, Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 23:52:19 +0100 jdd wrote:

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https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00GQ3685Q

do this device or any other works with opensuse?

"UD-3900 docking station is compatible with Windows 10, 8.1, 8, 7, & legacy XP systems. Surface RT, Mac OS X, and Linux/Unix are not supported."

"Compatible" means "works with" "Supported" means that they will take support call pertaining to

Watch out, if it says "compatible" I worry a lot. Example. Long ago I bought an external rs232 modem, and it said "compatible with ..." I don't remember what protocol, around 28 K. Well, it turned out that it did not have that protocol in hardware: it needed an specific driver on Windows; but not a system wide driver, but one inside the supplied terminal application. Thus it did not work with my windows tools for Fidonet (Bluewave? Frontodoor?), nor on Linux. It worked at 9600 - or was it 19000? I did not learn. Years later I bought a modem "compatible with V90". Same thing, did not have the protocol in hardware, needed a Windows driver (I was fortunate to sell it to a Windows only friend). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXdVuLgAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1RLGAJwO5jB+7MvcBXi5ksGvEWc6uZpYvQCaAn/iJPxRMHtRB+VgNyNR9IPstWI= =XbiE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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