[opensuse] Leap some repositories down
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2020 07:21:03 -0700 Carl Spitzer {L Juno} <lynux@juno.com> wrote:
what is up with this now that I finally got a system capable of 64 bit and Leap. Last night three of the reposiitories were down. Thankfully not the ones I needed. Also no updates in the last few days. Too busy at work to have fun.
Well, you don't say which repositories were down, or even which version of Leap you are talking about, or which mirrors you use. So nobody's even going to be able to say, yes they were/are down for me too, or not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Carl Spitzer {L Juno} composed on 2020-10-08 07:21 (UTC-0700):
what is up with this now that I finally got a system capable of 64 bit and Leap. Last night three of the reposiitories were down. Thankfully not the ones I needed. Also no updates in the last few days. Too busy at work to have fun.
From where I am, the http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ mirror redirection system 15 hours ago was screwed up again, timing out on every package until I aborted zypper. If you change to a specific mirror host then everything should work. Here's an example of a modified .repo file I switched to to get my updates done:
[Update] autorefresh=1 baseurl=http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/update/leap/15.2/oss/ enabled=1 name=Update keeppackages=0 -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> [10-08-20 14:42]:
Carl Spitzer {L Juno} composed on 2020-10-08 07:21 (UTC-0700):
what is up with this now that I finally got a system capable of 64 bit and Leap. Last night three of the reposiitories were down. Thankfully not the ones I needed. Also no updates in the last few days. Too busy at work to have fun.
From where I am, the http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ mirror redirection system 15 hours ago was screwed up again, timing out on every package until I aborted zypper. If you change to a specific mirror host then everything should work. Here's an example of a modified .repo file I switched to to get my updates done:
[Update] autorefresh=1 baseurl=http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/update/leap/15.2/oss/ enabled=1 name=Update keeppackages=0
or maybe list them as: baseurl=https://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ and not be required to continually modify the repo files. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2020-10-08 16:07 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata composed:
Here's an example of a modified .repo file I switched to to get my updates done:
[Update] autorefresh=1 baseurl=http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/update/leap/15.2/oss/ enabled=1 name=Update keeppackages=0
or maybe list them as: baseurl=https://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/
and not be required to continually modify the repo files.
Or modify once for each alternate .repo as I do: # ls -Gg /etc/zypp/repos.d/*eNonO* -rw-r--r-- 1 154 May 22 2019 /etc/zypp/repos.d/UpdateNonOSS.repo -rw-r--r-- 1 158 May 22 2019 /etc/zypp/repos.d/UpdateNonOSS.repo-gwdg -rw-r--r-- 1 460 May 22 2019 /etc/zypp/repos.d/UpdateNonOSS.repoC -rw-r--r-- 1 154 May 22 2019 /etc/zypp/repos.d/UpdateNonOSS.repoD -rw-r--r-- 1 161 May 22 2019 /etc/zypp/repos.d/UpdateNonOSS.repoE -rw-r--r-- 1 166 May 22 2019 /etc/zypp/repos.d/UpdateNonOSS.repoG -rw-r--r-- 1 164 May 22 2019 /etc/zypp/repos.d/UpdateNonOSS.repoL -rw-r--r-- 1 158 May 22 2019 /etc/zypp/repos.d/UpdateNonOSS.repoP -rw-r--r-- 1 153 May 22 2019 /etc/zypp/repos.d/UpdateNonOSS.repoW I just MC copy the appropriate selection from .repo? to .repo, which is a few seconds process. I tried the list as you do, as you might surmise seeing the .repoC listing above, but I find timeouts still occur, making me impatient, before zypper attempts to switch to the next mirror in the list. My goto is usually gwdg to finish out the current processes, after which I typically switch back to D.o.o (.repoD), expecting the trouble to be gone by the next updates/upgrades time: # grep http /etc/zypp/repos.d/*eNonO*C baseurl=http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.1/non-oss/ http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/update/leap/15.1/non-oss/ http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/opensuse/update/leap/15.1/non-oss/ http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/opensuse/update/leap/15.1/non-oss/ http://provo-mirror.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.1/non-oss/ http://widehat.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.1/non-oss/ # grep http /etc/zypp/repos.d/*eNonO*D baseurl=http://download.opensuse.org/update/leap/15.1/non-oss/ -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
Carl Spitzer {L Juno} composed on 2020-10-08 07:21 (UTC-0700):
what is up with this now that I finally got a system capable of 64 bit and Leap. Last night three of the reposiitories were down. Thankfully not the ones I needed. Also no updates in the last few days. Too busy at work to have fun.
From where I am, the http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ mirror redirection system 15 hours ago was screwed up again, timing out on every package until I aborted zypper.
Looking at what is available to you, as seen from your IP-address right now and assuming you were looking for someting for Leap 15.2: 23 mirrors in the US, 4 in other countries, but same continent and 82 in the rest of the world.
If you change to a specific mirror host then everything should work. Here's an example of a modified .repo file I switched to to get my updates done:
[Update] autorefresh=1 baseurl=http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/update/leap/15.2/oss/
I am surprised you should have better connection to reach across the Atlantic than to one of the 23 US mirrors :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.9°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen composed on 2020-10-09 03:45 (UTC-0400):
I am surprised you should have better connection to reach across the Atlantic than to one of the 23 US mirrors :-)
If only they all carried more than just OSS, Non-OSS, Update & Update-NonOSS. I don't have any installations with so few enabled repos. How many of those North American mirrors carry KDE3, Mozilla, mozilla:/legacy & repositories/home:? I think I once counted a total of 4. I'm on Florida's significant peninsula. That means my location has few land based pipes to non-distant locations. The repos I'm aware of in state only carry the minimum. I don't see gwdg as all that much more distant than Provo based on typical throughput and latency. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2020-10-09 03:45 (UTC-0400):
I am surprised you should have better connection to reach across the Atlantic than to one of the 23 US mirrors :-)
If only they all carried more than just OSS, Non-OSS, Update & Update-NonOSS. I don't have any installations with so few enabled repos.
That is what most of our mirrors carry, plus Tumbleweed.
How many of those North American mirrors carry KDE3, Mozilla, mozilla:/legacy & repositories/home:? I think I once counted a total of 4.
Yes, most mirrors do not carry OBS repositories, it is generally too big (several Terabytes), and it is also a fast-moving target. In the US, the Provo mirror might be the only one, and we are having trouble getting that synchronized. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/10/2020 03:45, Per Jessen wrote:
I am surprised you should have better connection to reach across the Atlantic than to one of the 23 US mirrors:-)
For some values of "better" and for some meanings of 'connections' I agree with the OP. here I am in Toronto and geographically the closest servers are in Waterloo, about an hours drive to the west. But the way services work it seems that I have to go though a hub in the USA, round the houses and back again into Canada to get there. Electrically speaking some sites in Europe are fewer hops away. Then again there are time-of-day issues. Times that the eastern seaboards very busy, times that transatlantic links are busy. Then again, TCP being what it is, even a specific packet in a session might get re-routeed, and don't expect the UDP things like ping and traceroute to really tell you what's going on with network traffic and traffic management. But I have a feeling that real reasons for 'poor performance' lies with the repository machines. Are they overloaded by requests for the repositories? I doubt it. Are they top grade machines etc etc etc. Again I doubt it. But if I have to apportion 'blame', I'd blame to performance and responsiveness of the machine at the far end. After all, this is FOSS; in effect these are 'parasitic' services. Many years ago all use UNIX types in the GTA like and talked to each other on UUCP. The GTA is actually a large dealing area, and we had maps that allowed what amounted to local calls to reach most of southern Ontario. Further afield we relied on the universities for a UUCP-to-ARPANET-to-UUCP so as to connect to other parts of the world. Well, OK, North America. The parts of of Europe became networked so we no longer paid for transatlantic phone calls for UUCP. Then the university decided that this support of hobbyists was an unnecessary expense. (Not, I think, that anyone ever ran the numbers.) About this time ANC was trying out DARPA's relaxation of rules and what they called 'CO+RE', an acronym for 'Commercial plus Research', a way they justified running both types of services over the same wires. I decided to pay for that and resell it. on the one hand I was vilified by when I offered a UUCP gateway that I charged for (that was still below LD phone costs!) and lauded by a lot of companies that could now do great communication stuff. The point I'm trying to make here is that these universities support FOSS in various ways. maybe they also offer a programming or OS course that is structured around Linux and can justify supporting repositories. Maybe Redhat/IBM supports is. Or maybe not. As they always say: "Look to where the money is". Linux is about FOSS. Some firms have found ways to moneytorise the 'free', but many here rely on it being effectively free (or at least not costing more than the machine and the 'net connection and their time). Don't expect the repositories to be supported, run and perform as you might expect if they were run by a for-profit enterprise like Microsoft. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 09/10/2020 15.30, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 09/10/2020 03:45, Per Jessen wrote:
I am surprised you should have better connection to reach across the Atlantic than to one of the 23 US mirrors:-)
For some values of "better" and for some meanings of 'connections' I agree with the OP.
...
The point I'm trying to make here is that these universities support FOSS in various ways. maybe they also offer a programming or OS course that is structured around Linux and can justify supporting repositories. Maybe Redhat/IBM supports is.
Or maybe not.
As they always say: "Look to where the money is". Linux is about FOSS. Some firms have found ways to moneytorise the 'free', but many here rely on it being effectively free (or at least not costing more than the machine and the 'net connection and their time).
Don't expect the repositories to be supported, run and perform as you might expect if they were run by a for-profit enterprise like Microsoft.
The curious thing is why it works better on Europe. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Anton Aylward wrote:
On 09/10/2020 03:45, Per Jessen wrote:
I am surprised you should have better connection to reach across the Atlantic than to one of the 23 US mirrors:-)
For some values of "better" and for some meanings of 'connections' I agree with the OP.
here I am in Toronto and geographically the closest servers are in Waterloo, about an hours drive to the west. But the way services work it seems that I have to go though a hub in the USA, round the houses and back again into Canada to get there. Electrically speaking some sites in Europe are fewer hops away.
Mirrorbrain considers geographical and network proximity, but it cannot take actual bandwidth into account.
But I have a feeling that real reasons for 'poor performance' lies with the repository machines. Are they overloaded by requests for the repositories? I doubt it. Are they top grade machines etc etc etc. Again I doubt it.
I would guesstimate a typical mirror machine is easily able to saturate a 1Gbit/s connection. The next uplink may not be even 1Gbit, although the universities and such will have biiiig pipes. I run a mirror in Switzerland on a 1Gbit uplink, very old server, only 2 cores @ 2.4GHz, dual gigabit NICs, and two SATA drives, 3Gb/s, approx 3Tb RAID1. In read mode, that peaks at _maybe_ 2 x 300MByte/s, way more than the uplink can do.
But if I have to apportion 'blame', I'd blame to performance and responsiveness of the machine at the far end.
Hmm, I doubt it. It doesn't take any special hardware to saturate 1Gbit/s - approx 100Mbyte/s . Household SSD drives will do five times that, especially when reading. I think anyone with a mirror performance issue needs to look at the end-to-end network path, that is where the bottlenecks are most likely to be. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.0°C) Wearing my "openSUSE mirror admin" cap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/8/20 1:40 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Carl Spitzer {L Juno} composed on 2020-10-08 07:21 (UTC-0700):
what is up with this now that I finally got a system capable of 64 bit and Leap. Last night three of the reposiitories were down. Thankfully not the ones I needed. Also no updates in the last few days. Too busy at work to have fun.
From where I am, the http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ mirror redirection system 15 hours ago was screwed up again, timing out on every package until I aborted zypper. If you change to a specific mirror host then everything should work. Here's an example of a modified .repo file I switched to to get my updates done:
[Update] autorefresh=1 baseurl=http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/update/leap/15.2/oss/ enabled=1 name=Update keeppackages=0
This seems far too widespread to be just coincidental. This morning woke up and was unable to refresh my update repositories, VSCode, skype, and packman. (I am using 15.1, planning to start my upgrades to 15.2 today.) In addition to that, my thunderbird email timed out or had an authentication on syncing with the gmail server, the yahoo mail server, startlogic, and office365 (which I use for work). So I am wondering if there is some kind of problem with an internet node or multiple nodes going down? Perhaps connected to the hurricane? VSCode, skype, and Office 365 are all connected to Microsoft, but the others are not. The packman repo for 15.2 is on-line by the url, but the equivalent one for 15.1 is not. Then when I just downloaded the Leap 15.2 repo, my chrome browser said it could not be downloaded securely. I have not had that happen before. Anyone else having similar issues? I am not having trouble connecting to the internet at my house, and I have AT&T, and there are no AT&T outages listed on thousand eyes. Is there some kind of bad actor attack happening on the internet infrastructure of many places in Western countries? -- George Box: 15.1 | Plasma 5 | AMD Phenom IIX4 | 64 | 32GB Laptop #1: 15.1 | Plasma 5 | AMD FX 7TH GEN | 64 | 32GB Laptop #2: 15.1 | Plasma 5 | Core i5 | 64 | 8GB -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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