On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:19:14 +0200 Hans Witvliet wrote:

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Hi Have you looked at xpud

Honestly, i've never heard about it. Just had a look at the site, and indeed, basic system at just 35MB... Now that is what i call a minute footprint!!

I've played around with it on the netbook, runs very well. There are some other versions around for system backups etc.

But that isn't the biggest issue: the AA1 is equiped with 8GB flash. It is more they size of the display (10") that worries me. mainstream managers (i'm not sure if it is windowmanager or displaymanager) simpy expect people to have atleast 46" display on they desktop ;-)))

Well you could always get on SuSE Studio and look through the gallery, else roll your own? I've been working on a blackbox version, have it running in vbox; http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/z2hzwp0q1dnsjutcszuju8c5uqyyrvfx/ Have resurrected it for 11.4 along with some of the plugins, bbdock is now working as well.

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I have an ASUS 1000HE 10" display with a 250GB drive and 2GB of RAM, it runs XP Home, SLED 11 SP1, openSUSE 11.4 (G3) and 12.1 M5 (G3).

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Hello, On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Hans Witvliet wrote:

But that isn't the biggest issue: the AA1 is equiped with 8GB flash. It is more they size of the display (10") that worries me. mainstream managers (i'm not sure if it is windowmanager or displaymanager) simpy expect people to have atleast 46" display on they desktop ;-)))

Have a look at WindowMaker. -dnh -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 19:48 -0400, Brian K. White wrote:

On 9/20/2011 5:18 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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Hi,

I have to re-install my wife's acer-aspire-one, a small netbook with just 512MB (you have to be a brain surgeon to upgrade the mem).

And worse, just a 10" display.

Any recommendations? smeegol? 11.4? 12.1?

I presume i have to stay away from standard KDE or GNOME...

hw

I run lubuntu latest on a Sony Vaio P. Atom 1.3 ghz, 2G ram.

It's pretty good finally. Finally as of only the last few months there is a more or less working and maintained (open source, so it's possible TO maintain) video driver for the thrice damned gma500/poulsbo chip that doesn't break every time you update the kernel or xorg.

Other than the constant fight to get a working video driver, it's been pretty good.

Well, now it runs 11.2 out-of-the-box. beyond expetations, even video-calls withvoip works with linphone. But now she needed for a web-sigth moonlight, and the one in 11.2 is'nt working, so i was thinking about 11.4 or 12.1m5 or so

LXDE desktop, wicd instead of NetworkManager, still has some gnome stuff for things lxde has no native answer for like bluetooth manager and power manager.

That's something i'll try.

I actually haven't tried to set up a printer on it yet (in over 2 years) so I don't know off hand how smooth that is or if it is a pain in the neck. wicd works well and is perfectly easy. Other than that, it's as slow as I expect such hardware to be, and fast enough to be usable as long as I stick to small files in Gimp and *Office (hahaha just noticed, hey it's back to it's roots, once again called "star office!") Which I happen to rarely use either of those. Browsing with chrome is ok, youtube videos work ok but are almost unwatchable full-screen on the new open source "emgd" driver. If you need the video to work perfectly, you have to use one of a very small subset of old versions of distributions that PowerVR made a binary driver for, and then you have to worry about it breaking every time you even think about running apt-get or synaptic. Or if yours doesn't have a gma500 graphics then boy are you lucky, or a smart shopper, and this part doesn't matter.

I would absolutely put a 2G ram chip in there though. It's really not that hard on an aspire one. Looked at a you-tube description, and came to a different conclusion...

Local computer shop may even do it for nothing. I asked, and they would charge me more than a new machine...

I know lubuntu (and windows 7) are fine on both the Vaio P with 2G and my eeepc 1000H with 1G, but 512M? probably fine until you get a 3rd tab open in chrome, or one tab in firefox. Besides, even if it IS hard, it's only hard once, whereas she has to live with the machine being slow 60 times a minute, 60 minutes an hour, every hour, every day...

Also WIndows7 is actually fine on the cpu, especially if you disable aero and set all the visual settings for performance (start -> computer -> right-click properties -> adjust visual effects), but I don't know about on 512M ram.

If I was really stuck on 512MB ram I'd find a high speed SD card and put swap and/or the windows pagefile exclusively on that and leave it in the slot permanently.

Id did that on an other machine, and got block-errors after one year. swap on an sdd is not a good combination...

I'll backup everything she still might need, and have another look at the ram & lxde. Tnx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hello, On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Anton Aylward wrote:

Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/21/2011 09:02 AM:

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So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore.

That seems to take out firefox, k3b and large amounts of KDE.

I use WindowMaker and use (seldom) firefox and quite often k3b. $ rpm -qa '*epomuk*' '*akonadi*' libakonadi4-4.6.0-4.7.1.x86_64 libakonadiprotocolinternals1-1.5.0-3.3.1.x86_64 I'm not quite sure if I broke a requirement though. -dnh -- Check it out, send me comments, and dance joyously in the streets, -- Linus Torvalds announcing 2.0.27 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hello, On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Anton Aylward wrote:

David Haller said the following on 09/21/2011 04:25 PM:

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On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/21/2011 09:02 AM:

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So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore.

That seems to take out firefox, k3b and large amounts of KDE.

I use WindowMaker and use (seldom) firefox and quite often k3b.

$ rpm -qa '*epomuk*' '*akonadi*' libakonadi4-4.6.0-4.7.1.x86_64 libakonadiprotocolinternals1-1.5.0-3.3.1.x86_64

I'm not quite sure if I broke a requirement though.

I'm sure you must have! I just tried

rpm -e $(rpm -qa '*epomuk*' '*akonadi*')

and got a dependency list that ran on for more than 3 screenfulls

Try again with: rpm -e $(rpm -qa '*epomuk*' '*akonadi*' | egrep -v 'libakonadi|libnepomuk') If you have installed and run some stuff (like kmail) that actually uses libnepomuk/libakonadi, you need those. I don't. And neither k3b nor Firefox need them to run. $ rpm -q --requires k3b MozillaFirefox | grep -c 'akon\|nepo' 0 $ $ ldd /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox-bin | grep 'akon\|nepo' $ ldd `which k3b` | grep 'akon\|nepo' libnepomuk.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libnepomuk.so.4 (0x00007fe247676000) libnepomukutils.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libnepomukutils.so.4 (0x00007fe24743a000) libnepomukquery.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libnepomukquery.so.4 (0x00007fe241a0a000) $ rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libnepomuk*.so* | sort -u kdebase4-runtime-4.6.0-4.9.1.x86_64 libkde4-4.6.0-6.15.1.x86_64 libkde4-devel-4.6.0-6.15.1.x86_64 As long as you don't use stuff that actually needs the libs, you even get away with breaking deps on the libs (and everything else). If you use anything needing those libs, you need _only_ the actual libraries (i.e. libakonadi and libnepomuk). Yeah, you should know what you're doing, but you can get away with a lot less that you think ;) HTH, -dnh, massaging Linux-Distributions since '97 ;) (and SuSen specifically since 5.3). -- Good day to avoid cops. Crawl to school. -- BSD fortune file -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 09/21/2011 04:18 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/21/2011 09:02 AM:

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So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore.

That seems to take out firefox, k3b and large amounts of KDE.

While I wasn't very precise in listing the RPMs that have to be erased, I can tell you that it can be done. I did it twice, on two computers. The end result is to not have those processes running. For that you don't need to actually erase akonadi/nepomuk libraries but to erase the programs using them. To do that you only _attempt_ to erase libraries and you get a list of "required by". Then you erase some of the stuff in that list. Erasing plasma-addons is not that bad.. it doesn't erase all of them! However, this package has to go, otherwise those processes pop up again. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 09/23/2011 12:27 PM, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:

On 09/21/2011 04:18 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/21/2011 09:02 AM:

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So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore.

That seems to take out firefox, k3b and large amounts of KDE.

While I wasn't very precise in listing the RPMs that have to be erased, I can tell you that it can be done. I did it twice, on two computers.

The end result is to not have those processes running.

For that you don't need to actually erase akonadi/nepomuk libraries but to erase the programs using them. To do that you only _attempt_ to erase libraries and you get a list of "required by". Then you erase some of the stuff in that list.

Erasing plasma-addons is not that bad.. it doesn't erase all of them! However, this package has to go, otherwise those processes pop up again.

I have documented the procedure here in precise steps: http://silviumc.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/using-kde4-on-low-memory-computers-... It seems that about 130 MB can be freed by not running akonadi. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 23/09/11 11:31, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:

On 09/21/2011 04:18 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Maybe there's a more elegant way to disable those other than just erasing them. If anyone knows how, please share with the list.

Don't I wish!

We need a KDE4 that's independent of nepomuk/akonadi. Not everyone wants to use the kmail/kpim

While nepomuk is not something you'd want on a low RAM system, if you have a modern system, it's not that bad.

The guy developing nepomuk is going through a rough economic patch, he has a donations page up http://pledgie.com/campaigns/16020

He is Sebastian Trueg, he had developed k3b, and now nepomuk. He deserves a bit of help.

Also in return for the donations, he has promised to fix (really fix, not just mark INVALID) every single nepomuk bug on bugs.kde.org; so 1) Donate so he can continue to do this great work 2) If you are experiencing problems with nepomuk, file bugs so he can fix them! Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 09/24/2011 06:01 AM, Steven Hess wrote:

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The guy developing nepomuk is going through a rough economic patch, he has a donations page up http://pledgie.com/campaigns/16020

It's to bad he is only using moneybrokers to accept payments to his

What do you mean? That link uses Paypal for donations. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org