[opensuse] what to put on a _small_ netbook
Hi, I have to re-install my wife's acer-aspire-one, a small netbook with just 512MB (you have to be a brain surgeon to upgrade the mem). And worse, just a 10" display. Any recommendations? smeegol? 11.4? 12.1? I presume i have to stay away from standard KDE or GNOME... hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Le 20/09/2011 23:18, Hans Witvliet a écrit :
Hi,
I have to re-install my wife's acer-aspire-one, a small netbook with just 512MB (you have to be a brain surgeon to upgrade the mem).
And worse, just a 10" display.
Any recommendations? smeegol? 11.4? 12.1?
I presume i have to stay away from standard KDE or GNOME...
I just have an aspire one ZA3 (orA0751h) whatever is his serial number. The screen is 11" and 1366x768 (with kernel >= 3.0, poulsbo video) I have 1Gb ram, easy to change (but you can set only one ram chip) I changed the hard drive for a 500Gb one and run 11.4, factory, windows 7 and kde, gnome, xfce... not that fast, but it runs jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.youtube.com/user/jdddodinorg http://jdd.blip.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:18:03 +0200 Hans Witvliet <suse@a-domani.nl> wrote:
Hi,
I have to re-install my wife's acer-aspire-one, a small netbook with just 512MB (you have to be a brain surgeon to upgrade the mem).
And worse, just a 10" display.
Any recommendations? smeegol? 11.4? 12.1?
I presume i have to stay away from standard KDE or GNOME...
hw Hi Have you looked at xpud
I have an ASUS 1000HE 10" display with a 250GB drive and 2GB of RAM, it runs XP Home, SLED 11 SP1, openSUSE 11.4 (G3) and 12.1 M5 (G3). -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) Kernel 2.6.37.6-0.7-desktop up 8 days 2:24, 6 users, load average: 0.15, 0.17, 0.20 GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - Driver Version: 280.13 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 18:25 -0500, Malcolm wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:18:03 +0200 Hans Witvliet <suse@a-domani.nl> wrote:
Hi,
I have to re-install my wife's acer-aspire-one, a small netbook with just 512MB (you have to be a brain surgeon to upgrade the mem).
And worse, just a 10" display.
Any recommendations? smeegol? 11.4? 12.1?
I presume i have to stay away from standard KDE or GNOME...
hw Hi Have you looked at xpud
Honestly, i've never heard about it. Just had a look at the site, and indeed, basic system at just 35MB... Now that is what i call a minute footprint!! But that isn't the biggest issue: the AA1 is equiped with 8GB flash. It is more they size of the display (10") that worries me. mainstream managers (i'm not sure if it is windowmanager or displaymanager) simpy expect people to have atleast 46" display on they desktop ;-)))
I have an ASUS 1000HE 10" display with a 250GB drive and 2GB of RAM, it runs XP Home, SLED 11 SP1, openSUSE 11.4 (G3) and 12.1 M5 (G3).
-- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) Kernel 2.6.37.6-0.7-desktop up 8 days 2:24, 6 users, load average: 0.15, 0.17, 0.20 GPU GeForce 8600 GTS Silent - Driver Version: 280.13
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:19:14 +0200 Hans Witvliet <suse@a-domani.nl> wrote:
Hi Have you looked at xpud
Honestly, i've never heard about it. Just had a look at the site, and indeed, basic system at just 35MB... Now that is what i call a minute footprint!!
I've played around with it on the netbook, runs very well. There are some other versions around for system backups etc.
But that isn't the biggest issue: the AA1 is equiped with 8GB flash. It is more they size of the display (10") that worries me. mainstream managers (i'm not sure if it is windowmanager or displaymanager) simpy expect people to have atleast 46" display on they desktop ;-)))
Well you could always get on SuSE Studio and look through the gallery, else roll your own? I've been working on a blackbox version, have it running in vbox; http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/z2hzwp0q1dnsjutcszuju8c5uqyyrvfx/ Have resurrected it for 11.4 along with some of the plugins, bbdock is now working as well.
I have an ASUS 1000HE 10" display with a 250GB drive and 2GB of RAM, it runs XP Home, SLED 11 SP1, openSUSE 11.4 (G3) and 12.1 M5 (G3).
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On 9/21/2011 8:54 AM, Malcolm wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:19:14 +0200 Hans Witvliet<suse@a-domani.nl> wrote:
Hi Have you looked at xpud
Honestly, i've never heard about it. Just had a look at the site, and indeed, basic system at just 35MB... Now that is what i call a minute footprint!!
I've played around with it on the netbook, runs very well. There are some other versions around for system backups etc.
But that isn't the biggest issue: the AA1 is equiped with 8GB flash. It is more they size of the display (10") that worries me. mainstream managers (i'm not sure if it is windowmanager or displaymanager) simpy expect people to have atleast 46" display on they desktop ;-)))
Well you could always get on SuSE Studio and look through the gallery, else roll your own?
I've been working on a blackbox version, have it running in vbox; http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/z2hzwp0q1dnsjutcszuju8c5uqyyrvfx/
Have resurrected it for 11.4 along with some of the plugins, bbdock is now working as well.
nice! -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Hans Witvliet wrote:
But that isn't the biggest issue: the AA1 is equiped with 8GB flash. It is more they size of the display (10") that worries me. mainstream managers (i'm not sure if it is windowmanager or displaymanager) simpy expect people to have atleast 46" display on they desktop ;-)))
Have a look at WindowMaker. -dnh -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 9/20/2011 5:18 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Hi,
I have to re-install my wife's acer-aspire-one, a small netbook with just 512MB (you have to be a brain surgeon to upgrade the mem).
And worse, just a 10" display.
Any recommendations? smeegol? 11.4? 12.1?
I presume i have to stay away from standard KDE or GNOME...
hw
I run lubuntu latest on a Sony Vaio P. Atom 1.3 ghz, 2G ram. It's pretty good finally. Finally as of only the last few months there is a more or less working and maintained (open source, so it's possible TO maintain) video driver for the thrice damned gma500/poulsbo chip that doesn't break every time you update the kernel or xorg. Other than the constant fight to get a working video driver, it's been pretty good. LXDE desktop, wicd instead of NetworkManager, still has some gnome stuff for things lxde has no native answer for like bluetooth manager and power manager. I actually haven't tried to set up a printer on it yet (in over 2 years) so I don't know off hand how smooth that is or if it is a pain in the neck. wicd works well and is perfectly easy. Other than that, it's as slow as I expect such hardware to be, and fast enough to be usable as long as I stick to small files in Gimp and *Office (hahaha just noticed, hey it's back to it's roots, once again called "star office!") Which I happen to rarely use either of those. Browsing with chrome is ok, youtube videos work ok but are almost unwatchable full-screen on the new open source "emgd" driver. If you need the video to work perfectly, you have to use one of a very small subset of old versions of distributions that PowerVR made a binary driver for, and then you have to worry about it breaking every time you even think about running apt-get or synaptic. Or if yours doesn't have a gma500 graphics then boy are you lucky, or a smart shopper, and this part doesn't matter. I would absolutely put a 2G ram chip in there though. It's really not that hard on an aspire one. Local computer shop may even do it for nothing. I know lubuntu (and windows 7) are fine on both the Vaio P with 2G and my eeepc 1000H with 1G, but 512M? probably fine until you get a 3rd tab open in chrome, or one tab in firefox. Besides, even if it IS hard, it's only hard once, whereas she has to live with the machine being slow 60 times a minute, 60 minutes an hour, every hour, every day... Also WIndows7 is actually fine on the cpu, especially if you disable aero and set all the visual settings for performance (start -> computer -> right-click properties -> adjust visual effects), but I don't know about on 512M ram. If I was really stuck on 512MB ram I'd find a high speed SD card and put swap and/or the windows pagefile exclusively on that and leave it in the slot permanently. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2011-09-20 at 19:48 -0400, Brian K. White wrote:
On 9/20/2011 5:18 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Hi,
I have to re-install my wife's acer-aspire-one, a small netbook with just 512MB (you have to be a brain surgeon to upgrade the mem).
And worse, just a 10" display.
Any recommendations? smeegol? 11.4? 12.1?
I presume i have to stay away from standard KDE or GNOME...
hw
I run lubuntu latest on a Sony Vaio P. Atom 1.3 ghz, 2G ram.
It's pretty good finally. Finally as of only the last few months there is a more or less working and maintained (open source, so it's possible TO maintain) video driver for the thrice damned gma500/poulsbo chip that doesn't break every time you update the kernel or xorg.
Other than the constant fight to get a working video driver, it's been pretty good.
Well, now it runs 11.2 out-of-the-box. beyond expetations, even video-calls withvoip works with linphone. But now she needed for a web-sigth moonlight, and the one in 11.2 is'nt working, so i was thinking about 11.4 or 12.1m5 or so
LXDE desktop, wicd instead of NetworkManager, still has some gnome stuff for things lxde has no native answer for like bluetooth manager and power manager.
That's something i'll try.
I actually haven't tried to set up a printer on it yet (in over 2 years) so I don't know off hand how smooth that is or if it is a pain in the neck. wicd works well and is perfectly easy. Other than that, it's as slow as I expect such hardware to be, and fast enough to be usable as long as I stick to small files in Gimp and *Office (hahaha just noticed, hey it's back to it's roots, once again called "star office!") Which I happen to rarely use either of those. Browsing with chrome is ok, youtube videos work ok but are almost unwatchable full-screen on the new open source "emgd" driver. If you need the video to work perfectly, you have to use one of a very small subset of old versions of distributions that PowerVR made a binary driver for, and then you have to worry about it breaking every time you even think about running apt-get or synaptic. Or if yours doesn't have a gma500 graphics then boy are you lucky, or a smart shopper, and this part doesn't matter.
I would absolutely put a 2G ram chip in there though. It's really not that hard on an aspire one. Looked at a you-tube description, and came to a different conclusion...
Local computer shop may even do it for nothing. I asked, and they would charge me more than a new machine...
I know lubuntu (and windows 7) are fine on both the Vaio P with 2G and my eeepc 1000H with 1G, but 512M? probably fine until you get a 3rd tab open in chrome, or one tab in firefox. Besides, even if it IS hard, it's only hard once, whereas she has to live with the machine being slow 60 times a minute, 60 minutes an hour, every hour, every day...
Also WIndows7 is actually fine on the cpu, especially if you disable aero and set all the visual settings for performance (start -> computer -> right-click properties -> adjust visual effects), but I don't know about on 512M ram.
If I was really stuck on 512MB ram I'd find a high speed SD card and put swap and/or the windows pagefile exclusively on that and leave it in the slot permanently.
Id did that on an other machine, and got block-errors after one year. swap on an sdd is not a good combination...
I'll backup everything she still might need, and have another look at the ram & lxde. Tnx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 21/09/11 07:18, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Hi,
I have to re-install my wife's acer-aspire-one, a small netbook with just 512MB (you have to be a brain surgeon to upgrade the mem).
And worse, just a 10" display.
Any recommendations? smeegol? 11.4? 12.1?
I presume i have to stay away from standard KDE or GNOME...
hw
How about him? :-) http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/gallery/gallery-e6frewxi-1225705671979... BC -- Talk is cheap - until you hire a lawyer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/21/2011 12:18 AM, Hans Witvliet wrote:
a small netbook with just 512MB (you have to be a brain surgeon to upgrade the mem).
I presume i have to stay away from standard KDE or GNOME...
You can actually use KDE with 512 MB RAM. I have just installed such and old laptop. There's a trick to free about 75 MB RAM if you don't use kontact/kmail/kaddressbook and so on and you don't care about indexed desktop search. On a default installation, these processes are being run no matter if you use those above or not: 2564 ? SNl 0:00 /usr/bin/nepomukservicestub nepomukstorage 2569 ? SNl 0:32 /usr/bin/virtuoso-t +foreground +configfile /tmp/virtuoso_XM2564.ini +wait 2577 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource --identifier akonadi_contacts_resource_0 2578 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource --identifier akonadi_contacts_resource_1 2579 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource --identifier akonadi_contacts_resource_2 2580 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource --identifier akonadi_contacts_resource_3 2581 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource --identifier akonadi_contacts_resource_4 2582 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource --identifier akonadi_contacts_resource_5 2583 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource --identifier akonadi_contacts_resource_6 2584 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource --identifier akonadi_contacts_resource_7 2585 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource --identifier akonadi_contacts_resource_8 2586 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_ical_resource --identifier akonadi_ical_resource_0 2587 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource --identifier akonadi_maildir_resource_0 2588 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent --identifier akonadi_maildispatcher_agent 2589 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder --identifier akonadi_nepomuk_contact_feeder So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore. Maybe there's a more elegant way to disable those other than just erasing them. If anyone knows how, please share with the list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/21/2011 09:02 AM:
So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore.
That seems to take out firefox, k3b and large amounts of KDE.
Maybe there's a more elegant way to disable those other than just erasing them. If anyone knows how, please share with the list.
Don't I wish! We need a KDE4 that's independent of nepomuk/akonadi. Not everyone wants to use the kmail/kpim Great for those that do, but why force this on us that don't? -- I wonder why. I wonder why. I wonder why I wonder. I wonder why I wonder why I wonder why I wonder! -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Anton Aylward wrote:
Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/21/2011 09:02 AM:
So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore.
That seems to take out firefox, k3b and large amounts of KDE.
I use WindowMaker and use (seldom) firefox and quite often k3b. $ rpm -qa '*epomuk*' '*akonadi*' libakonadi4-4.6.0-4.7.1.x86_64 libakonadiprotocolinternals1-1.5.0-3.3.1.x86_64 I'm not quite sure if I broke a requirement though. -dnh -- Check it out, send me comments, and dance joyously in the streets, -- Linus Torvalds announcing 2.0.27 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David Haller said the following on 09/21/2011 04:25 PM:
Hello,
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Anton Aylward wrote:
Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/21/2011 09:02 AM:
So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore.
That seems to take out firefox, k3b and large amounts of KDE.
I use WindowMaker and use (seldom) firefox and quite often k3b.
$ rpm -qa '*epomuk*' '*akonadi*' libakonadi4-4.6.0-4.7.1.x86_64 libakonadiprotocolinternals1-1.5.0-3.3.1.x86_64
I'm not quite sure if I broke a requirement though.
I'm sure you must have! I just tried rpm -e $(rpm -qa '*epomuk*' '*akonadi*') and got a dependency list that ran on for more than 3 screenfulls -- The Internet is not the greatest threat to information security; stupidity is the greatest threat to information security. - Will Spencer <will.spencer@gte.net> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Anton Aylward wrote:
David Haller said the following on 09/21/2011 04:25 PM:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Anton Aylward wrote:
Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/21/2011 09:02 AM:
So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore.
That seems to take out firefox, k3b and large amounts of KDE.
I use WindowMaker and use (seldom) firefox and quite often k3b.
$ rpm -qa '*epomuk*' '*akonadi*' libakonadi4-4.6.0-4.7.1.x86_64 libakonadiprotocolinternals1-1.5.0-3.3.1.x86_64
I'm not quite sure if I broke a requirement though.
I'm sure you must have! I just tried
rpm -e $(rpm -qa '*epomuk*' '*akonadi*')
and got a dependency list that ran on for more than 3 screenfulls
Try again with: rpm -e $(rpm -qa '*epomuk*' '*akonadi*' | egrep -v 'libakonadi|libnepomuk') If you have installed and run some stuff (like kmail) that actually uses libnepomuk/libakonadi, you need those. I don't. And neither k3b nor Firefox need them to run. $ rpm -q --requires k3b MozillaFirefox | grep -c 'akon\|nepo' 0 $ $ ldd /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox-bin | grep 'akon\|nepo' $ ldd `which k3b` | grep 'akon\|nepo' libnepomuk.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libnepomuk.so.4 (0x00007fe247676000) libnepomukutils.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libnepomukutils.so.4 (0x00007fe24743a000) libnepomukquery.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libnepomukquery.so.4 (0x00007fe241a0a000) $ rpm -qf /usr/lib64/libnepomuk*.so* | sort -u kdebase4-runtime-4.6.0-4.9.1.x86_64 libkde4-4.6.0-6.15.1.x86_64 libkde4-devel-4.6.0-6.15.1.x86_64 As long as you don't use stuff that actually needs the libs, you even get away with breaking deps on the libs (and everything else). If you use anything needing those libs, you need _only_ the actual libraries (i.e. libakonadi and libnepomuk). Yeah, you should know what you're doing, but you can get away with a lot less that you think ;) HTH, -dnh, massaging Linux-Distributions since '97 ;) (and SuSen specifically since 5.3). -- Good day to avoid cops. Crawl to school. -- BSD fortune file -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David Haller said the following on 09/21/2011 11:48 PM:
$ rpm -qa '*epomuk*''*akonadi*' libakonadi4-4.6.0-4.7.1.x86_64 libakonadiprotocolinternals1-1.5.0-3.3.1.x86_64
I'm not quite sure if I broke a requirement though.
I'm sure you must have! I just tried
rpm -e $(rpm -qa '*epomuk*''*akonadi*')
and got a dependency list that ran on for more than 3 screenfulls Try again with:
rpm -e $(rpm -qa '*epomuk*''*akonadi*' | egrep -v 'libakonadi|libnepomuk')
If you have installed and run some stuff (like kmail) that actually uses libnepomuk/libakonadi, you need those. I don't. And neither k3b nor Firefox need them to run.
Better, but ... I now get a much shorter list. It wants to drop kdepim, which is OK, but also kdebase-workspace kdeplasma-addons-libs and kdeplasma-addons which isn't. All of which misses the real point. Why does k3b even need nepomuk? I ask that because it can function quite well without the various codecs. Not everyone uses k3b to burn music CDs from ~/Music/*. Some of us just use it to burn .iso files, such as the latest release of Suse. Perhaps we need a repository of the various KDE tools that don't need nepomuk, that have been compiled without the need for the nepomuk libraries. Anyone? -- The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of meeting schedules is forgotten. --Kathleen Byle, Sandia National Laboratories -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/21/2011 04:18 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/21/2011 09:02 AM:
So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore.
That seems to take out firefox, k3b and large amounts of KDE.
While I wasn't very precise in listing the RPMs that have to be erased, I can tell you that it can be done. I did it twice, on two computers. The end result is to not have those processes running. For that you don't need to actually erase akonadi/nepomuk libraries but to erase the programs using them. To do that you only _attempt_ to erase libraries and you get a list of "required by". Then you erase some of the stuff in that list. Erasing plasma-addons is not that bad.. it doesn't erase all of them! However, this package has to go, otherwise those processes pop up again. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/23/2011 05:27 AM:
Erasing plasma-addons is not that bad.. it doesn't erase all of them! However, this package has to go, otherwise those processes pop up again.
I've commented on this before. plasma-addons is a -- I won't say 'Bad", lets try 'inauspicious' and 'inconvenient' set of packaging and needs to be re-addressed. Its mixes add-ons that are dependent on nepomuk with ones that don't. There are 443 files in that package; many of them are graphics, dot-desktop or theme files in /usr/share, so don't really matter, but what's left? First, there is the lancelot menu. Second, a number of plugins in /usr/lib/kde4/kcm* and /usr/lib/kde4/krunner. Some like the spell checker I can't see needing nepomuk. Then there are the /usr/lib/kde4/plasma-applet_* plugins. Again, there are going to be many of these that don't need nepomuk such as the clocks, the bouncing ball, and many others. Please, can we split this package into the parts that don't need nepomuk and the parts that do. This is ONLY a packing issue; it is not a coding issue, it is not a development issue. Perhaps someone can do it in a private repository ... -- The most important thing in communication is to hear what isn't being said. --Peter F. Drucker -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/23/2011 12:27 PM, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
On 09/21/2011 04:18 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Silviu Marin-Caea said the following on 09/21/2011 09:02 AM:
So the trick is to disable Nepomuk in KDE Desktop Configuration/Desktop Search, then proceed to erase RPMs like kontact, kmail, kaddressbook, libnepomuk/akonadi and reboot until those processes are not started anymore.
That seems to take out firefox, k3b and large amounts of KDE.
While I wasn't very precise in listing the RPMs that have to be erased, I can tell you that it can be done. I did it twice, on two computers.
The end result is to not have those processes running.
For that you don't need to actually erase akonadi/nepomuk libraries but to erase the programs using them. To do that you only _attempt_ to erase libraries and you get a list of "required by". Then you erase some of the stuff in that list.
Erasing plasma-addons is not that bad.. it doesn't erase all of them! However, this package has to go, otherwise those processes pop up again.
I have documented the procedure here in precise steps: http://silviumc.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/using-kde4-on-low-memory-computers-... It seems that about 130 MB can be freed by not running akonadi. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/21/2011 04:18 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Maybe there's a more elegant way to disable those other than just erasing them. If anyone knows how, please share with the list.
Don't I wish!
We need a KDE4 that's independent of nepomuk/akonadi. Not everyone wants to use the kmail/kpim
While nepomuk is not something you'd want on a low RAM system, if you have a modern system, it's not that bad. The guy developing nepomuk is going through a rough economic patch, he has a donations page up http://pledgie.com/campaigns/16020 He is Sebastian Trueg, he had developed k3b, and now nepomuk. He deserves a bit of help. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 23/09/11 11:31, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
On 09/21/2011 04:18 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Maybe there's a more elegant way to disable those other than just erasing them. If anyone knows how, please share with the list.
Don't I wish!
We need a KDE4 that's independent of nepomuk/akonadi. Not everyone wants to use the kmail/kpim
While nepomuk is not something you'd want on a low RAM system, if you have a modern system, it's not that bad.
The guy developing nepomuk is going through a rough economic patch, he has a donations page up http://pledgie.com/campaigns/16020
He is Sebastian Trueg, he had developed k3b, and now nepomuk. He deserves a bit of help.
Also in return for the donations, he has promised to fix (really fix, not just mark INVALID) every single nepomuk bug on bugs.kde.org; so 1) Donate so he can continue to do this great work 2) If you are experiencing problems with nepomuk, file bugs so he can fix them! Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Tejas Guruswamy <tejas.guruswamy@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 23/09/11 11:31, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
On 09/21/2011 04:18 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
Maybe there's a more elegant way to disable those other than just erasing them. If anyone knows how, please share with the list.
Don't I wish!
We need a KDE4 that's independent of nepomuk/akonadi. Not everyone wants to use the kmail/kpim
While nepomuk is not something you'd want on a low RAM system, if you have a modern system, it's not that bad.
The guy developing nepomuk is going through a rough economic patch, he has a donations page up http://pledgie.com/campaigns/16020
He is Sebastian Trueg, he had developed k3b, and now nepomuk. He deserves a bit of help.
Also in return for the donations, he has promised to fix (really fix, not just mark INVALID) every single nepomuk bug on bugs.kde.org; so
1) Donate so he can continue to do this great work 2) If you are experiencing problems with nepomuk, file bugs so he can fix them!
Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
It's to bad he is only using moneybrokers to accept payments to his donation fund. In the USA bank transfers are not as simple or cheap as they are in Europe. I donate almost exclusively via Paypal adding a bit to cover Paypals cut. -- ____________ Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 Skype user flamebait Cell 661 487 0357 (Facetime) Google Voice 661 769 6201 openSUSE Linux 11.3 and 11.4 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/24/2011 06:01 AM, Steven Hess wrote:
The guy developing nepomuk is going through a rough economic patch, he has a donations page up http://pledgie.com/campaigns/16020
It's to bad he is only using moneybrokers to accept payments to his
What do you mean? That link uses Paypal for donations. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 20/09/11 23:18, Hans Witvliet wrote:
Hi,
I have to re-install my wife's acer-aspire-one, a small netbook with just 512MB (you have to be a brain surgeon to upgrade the mem).
And worse, just a 10" display.
Any recommendations? smeegol? 11.4? 12.1?
I presume i have to stay away from standard KDE or GNOME...
hw
I run opensuse 11.4 / KDE4 with desktop activity set to "Search and Launch". Asus eee1015, (10.1" display) with 1Gb RAM. Runs fine. Don't know about 512Mb, but might be worth trying. HTH Best regards, ~rms~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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