Am 11.11.2011 20:48, schrieb Will Stephenson:

On Friday 11 Nov 2011 20:45:30 lynn wrote:

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I'm trying thunderbird. When I hit 'reply' to a message from this list, it gives me the senders address, not opensuse@opensuse.org. I can't find where to change it. Sorry for being so trivial. A day spent debugging samba/ldap leaves one numb! L x

We'll get KMail sorted out soon. In the meantime please make sure your bugs are reported and try not to get hooked on a mail client with a less smart Reply feature! ;)

Not sure if it's less smart. I've no idea why lynn is not seeing the button "reply to list" just right from the "reply" button but the time when Thunderbird couldn't reply to list is long gone. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

KMail's smart 'Reply' action replies to list if list headers are present, the mail is not sent To: the reader and Reply-To: is not set, otherwise it replies to Reply-To: or to From:. Which may be a bit of Klugscheisserei* but in my experience it always does what I want it to do except for those who set Reply- To. There are explicit reply actions to reply to the list or to the author if needed as well.

The tb I was using was an old tar.gz which I extracted to my home folder as I didn't have root access on the box I was using at a colleagues desk. I normally use kmail so I took the 'reply list' for granted. It was only when I downloaded the new tb I saw the reply list. The problem with kmail is that it seems to need most of kde installed. I was looking to see if the competition was any more economical. Thanks for all your help and comments. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Will Stephenson [11-12-11 02:59]:

KMail needs the kde libraries and runtimes installed, that's true. There have been builds of KMail (for Windows, Mac and mobile) that were tuned for a small footprint, but ours are not. KDE 4's design of shared services brings economies of scale when you use many KDE apps together, whereas the initial focus of KDE 5 is modularising the features we have so you can also pick and mix without bringing in the kitchen sink.

This will really be welcomed by (I bet) a great number of kde users. I like the kdepim, but detest graphical email clients having been a keyboard/mutt user for many years. Habits/likes are difficult to change. I real shame that I cannot use my preferred mail client inside a text window in kdepim. Add this to my wish-list :^) tks for your many efforts, Will. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

reposted, sorry for direct reply: * Will Stephenson [11-14-11 05:03]:

On Sunday 13 November 2011 16:06:16 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I real shame that I cannot use my preferred mail client inside a text window in kdepim. Add this to my wish-list :^)

Sorry, it must be monday or something but I don't understand - you mean you can't use mutt inside konsole in KDE? Or you'd like to have a Kontact module that is a terminal emulator so you can run mutt there? That would actually be pretty easy to do.

A module/term-emulator that would semi-integrate a perferred app (in this case a text mode email client) into the kdepim. atm, I run mutt inside a tmux (similar to screen) session remotely from my server rather than serving the mail. With cygwin, I have remote access from anywhere to my mail and anything else on my home system. The tmux session has windows to all four boxes on my home system. With a kdepim contained terminal emulator, my present methods would not be altered much. :^) tks, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/11/2011 02:48 PM, Martin Helm wrote:

Am 11.11.2011 20:45, schrieb lynn:

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I'm trying thunderbird. When I hit 'reply' to a message from this list, it gives me the senders address, not opensuse@opensuse.org. I can't find where to change it. Sorry for being so trivial. A day spent debugging samba/ldap leaves one numb! L x Writing this from Thunderbird, with "reply to list" instead of "reply" or "reply to all" (may slightly differ for you I translated from the german entries.

"Reply to list" is correct, and I'm doing that right now. --doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-11 21:15, Marco Calistri wrote:

2 - Add the "Reply to List" button from "View" --> "Tools" --> "Customize"

There is no "tools" in the "view" menu. You must mean "toolbar". - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk69hQkACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U74QCeLoZE2p5tv9TIFN9izLocUCux vOkAn3G9NrxTBEYLnQnR0idXNWoHO950 =fevs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/11/2011 09:40 PM, Marco Calistri wrote:

On Fri 11 Nov 2011 at 18:26:49 (-0300 UTC), Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2011-11-11 21:15, Marco Calistri wrote:

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2 - Add the "Reply to List" button from "View" --> "Tools" --> "Customize"

There is no "tools" in the "view" menu. You must mean "toolbar".

Nope. There is no View - Tools - Customize to be had. I'm writing this from t'bird on my laptop, ubuntu v 11.10. The 'reply list' button is there. On opensuse 11.4 it isn't. Ahhggh! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/11/2011 11:01 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

On 11/11/2011 04:49 PM, lynn pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On 11/11/2011 09:40 PM, Marco Calistri wrote:

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On Fri 11 Nov 2011 at 18:26:49 (-0300 UTC), Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2011-11-11 21:15, Marco Calistri wrote:

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2 - Add the "Reply to List" button from "View" --> "Tools" --> "Customize"

There is no "tools" in the "view" menu. You must mean "toolbar".

Nope. There is no View - Tools - Customize to be had. I'm writing this from t'bird on my laptop, ubuntu v 11.10. The 'reply list' button is there. On opensuse 11.4 it isn't. Ahhggh!

It is on my 11.4 system. TB ver. 3.1.15

Just grabbed it from the mozilla site. v8.0 OMG the reply list button is there and it looks almost modern! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/11/2011 11:47 PM, Martin Helm wrote:

Am 11.11.2011 23:31, schrieb lynn:

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Just grabbed it from the mozilla site. v8.0 OMG the reply list button is there and it looks almost modern! Why not simply from the openSUSE Mozilla repository? That's where my TB8 and FF8 come from (and yes it has of course the button as well as the entry in the context menu for reply to list as I tried to indicate with my first mail). Sorry. I should have made it clear. On the box I was using I did not have root access. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2011-11-12 at 12:40 -0800, John Andersen wrote:

I've noticed a LOT of people asking questions about TB3 lately on this list.

I'm astounded anyone is 5 release numbers behind, or doesn't understand that the best place to get these packages is NOT the CD that came with your boxed set, or the original downloaded DVD.

Does no one visit the Additional Package Repositories page? Perhaps this has been too well hidden on the Opensuse site, being three clicks deep? http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories

Additional repositories are not mandatory. I get the updates from the updates repo. When that one gets version 5, I'll get the update to version 5, not earlier. So the question is why Novell does not provide version 5 in the update repo. There must be a good reason, like incompatibilities with add ons. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6+3S8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UnHwCffIm+JwtHwHaS4cbe5fu+xKv9 ZHAAn1YEuNTuf0mmdoWoBlwt0BHgS/ij =LS4T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2011-11-13 at 00:44 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

Am 12.11.2011 21:55, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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Additional repositories are not mandatory. I get the updates from the updates repo. When that one gets version 5, I'll get the update to version 5, not earlier.

So the question is why Novell does not provide version 5 in the update repo. There must be a good reason, like incompatibilities with add ons.

The "good reason" is that we used to have a policy to avoid version upgrades. Since Thunderbird 3.1 up to now still got security updates there was no real reason to update to something newer. openSUSE is no rolling release yet. So either people opt in to get newer versions by adding the mozilla repo or they will get the update only when needed for some reason.

Nothing to complain with that. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6/CkkACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W/pgCfVMqiwl4rPekGb70uYB9YxtKD FLUAn2TEzAJGlshMuzHz+9mqHf5Cb6lM =Wkln -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/12/2011 10:29 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

On 11/12/2011 09:40 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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I'm astounded anyone is 5 release numbers behind, or doesn't understand that the best place to get these packages is NOT the CD that came with your boxed set, or the original downloaded DVD. Or for some people, the latest may not mean the most stable. If you can become root, I'd recommend using Yast to get tb. If you can't I'd recommend downloading the latest version here:

http://www.mozilla.org/es/thunderbird/ I've used it for 24 hours now. No problems yet. All I had to do to configure it was to give my e-mail address. It did everything else and even setup views for the folders on the server I have. Amazing. Even better, you don't need zillions of GB of kde stuff like you do for kmail. Recommended. L x L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/13/2011 10:11 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* lynn [11-13-11 15:02]:

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On 11/12/2011 10:29 PM, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

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On 11/12/2011 09:40 PM, John Andersen wrote:

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I'm astounded anyone is 5 release numbers behind, or doesn't understand that the best place to get these packages is NOT the CD that came with your boxed set, or the original downloaded DVD. Or for some people, the latest may not mean the most stable. If you can become root, I'd recommend using Yast to get tb. If you can't I'd recommend downloading the latest version here:

http://www.mozilla.org/es/thunderbird/

I've used it for 24 hours now. No problems yet. All I had to do to configure it was to give my e-mail address. It did everything else and even setup views for the folders on the server I have. Amazing. Even better, you don't need zillions of GB of kde stuff like you do for kmail. Recommended. Better Yet (tm!) use a package built for your openSUSE system from: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/<your-flavour>

please: remember to recommend packages "Build by/for openSUSE"

your system will be much more stable.

Hi That's very good advice and I shall always recommend official opensuse builds to system administrators. However, the vast majority of linux users do not have root access. Many of us here seem to forget that. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 14.11.2011 18:28, schrieb John Andersen:

On 11/13/2011 9:36 PM, lynn wrote:

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On 11/13/2011 10:11 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Better Yet (tm!) use a package built for your openSUSE system from: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/<your-flavour>

please: remember to recommend packages "Build by/for openSUSE"

your system will be much more stable.

Hi That's very good advice and I shall always recommend official opensuse builds to system administrators. However, the vast majority of linux users do not have root access. Many of us here seem to forget that. L x

I take issue with both claims.

There is no evidence of better system stability using Thunderbird from Opensuse vs directly from Mozilla repositories.

I agree that stability is not really a difference. And at the moment the difference between Thunderbird 8 from Mozilla.org and openSUSE is not that big. One of the biggest differences right now is that we are using gio for helper app and default mailer detection while mozilla.org ships with gnome-vfs and gconf on that side. That means you most likely get wrong (or no) helper applications and the default mailer check is also broken.

Second, the vast majority of Linux users DO have root.

Think the same. Corporate users might have not but they probably also get into trouble installing it along in their home. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/14/2011 12:00 PM, lynn wrote:

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Second, the vast majority of Linux users DO have root.

LOL You'd have no lan left within 5 seconds!

Its just that most Linux users don't work in corporate environments. Most Linux users are using their own installation on their own box(s). These users probably out number corporate users by 10 to 1. (figures pulled entirely out of my left ear based on organizations I'm familiar with). Lots of windows users unwittingly use Linux servers, but that's a different situation. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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On 11/11/2011 09:40 PM, Marco Calistri wrote:

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On Fri 11 Nov 2011 at 18:26:49 (-0300 UTC), Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2011-11-11 21:15, Marco Calistri wrote:

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2 - Add the "Reply to List" button from "View" --> "Tools" --> "Customize"

There is no "tools" in the "view" menu. You must mean "toolbar".

Nope. There is no View - Tools - Customize to be had. I'm writing this from t'bird on my laptop, ubuntu v 11.10. The 'reply list' button is there. On opensuse 11.4 it isn't. Ahhggh!

Try right click to the line of message view where are buttons like Reply and Forward and click to Customize. There should be what You need. I use TB 7 from Mozilla repo (actually, I'm on too slow connection to upgrade). Good luck, Vojtěch - -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/cs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOwDa5AAoJEPuT69b4zaO5DfMH/3zVngi6RfnndpyK6SWNflLp gqePg5BCLyP1gcnqKbMVidJc3pAi25+r8EJYpaBTgF9v1rO8c1RDT036t8V27+x9 kS/1+GEx8yG+imPoW/mcOoVFWdxzPStFiL4XoXc4G8sUbA93fygtoJX1OqF/QkMC jjYb1eZrlYPDUouQhFxnZqL/Vov1g+1cjdmJ3vPBlquQecQrN6DoYWQ9dSTNaMgh gnq7n7SaaDtLQpTXAEJne5oM9Iw7/9MdfC5edUgB36GjXvLj+xM26MML8UepuGVQ iPdi4XizZzE1+JJ7nDryRvSoUBrZ4YxO6dJVfleSBtRgwD4HtgKnrWO6mD4qEJE= =kJAR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 11.11.2011 21:19, schrieb Carlos E. R.:

On 2011-11-11 20:45, lynn wrote:

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I'm trying thunderbird. When I hit 'reply' to a message from this list, it gives me the senders address, not opensuse@opensuse.org.

Don't you get a "reply list" button? I do.

I remember that long ago I had to toggle a hidden setting, but I don't remember which.

Usually there is no need for any setting anymore. Thunderbird detects the list post and offers "reply to list" just beside "reply". Not sure why lynn wouldn't see it. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org