Weird behaviour dolphin (tumbleweed)
Hello, Operating System: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20231022 KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.8 KDE Frameworks Version: 5.111.0 Qt Version: 5.15.11 Kernel Version: 6.5.8-1-default (64-bit) Graphics Platform: X11 Processors: 16 × 11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-11700 @ 2.50GHz Memory: 15.3 GiB of RAM Graphics Processor: NV174 Problem: I still using an old Atari dtp-program called Calamus for a montly magazine. It runs just fine under wine. I'm not quite sure but I believe when I save my work the program renames a previous version of the doc as whatever.bak and then save the current work under whatever.cdk Until recently dolphin displayed both whatever.cdk and whatever.bak. But now I noticed whatever.bak became invisible. It's marked as backup file. I wonder if this is a normal behaviour? Under Leap 15.4 and 15.5 this doesn't happen. Both files remains visible. Thanks, Martin -- Atari FTP-site: ftp://kurobox.serveftp.net:3021 Running openSUSE Tumbleweed / KDE 5.27.8
On 24/10/2023 23:06, Martin /Nightowl/ Byttebier wrote:
Hello,
Operating System: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20231022 KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.8 KDE Frameworks Version: 5.111.0 Qt Version: 5.15.11 Kernel Version: 6.5.8-1-default (64-bit) Graphics Platform: X11 Processors: 16 × 11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-11700 @ 2.50GHz Memory: 15.3 GiB of RAM Graphics Processor: NV174
Problem: I still using an old Atari dtp-program called Calamus for a montly magazine. It runs just fine under wine.
I'm not quite sure but I believe when I save my work the program renames a previous version of the doc as whatever.bak and then save the current work under whatever.cdk
Until recently dolphin displayed both whatever.cdk and whatever.bak. But now I noticed whatever.bak became invisible. It's marked as backup file.
I wonder if this is a normal behaviour? Under Leap 15.4 and 15.5 this doesn't happen. Both files remains visible.
Thanks, Martin
Pretty sure I read something recently about a change in Dolphin and other KDE file apps meaning these backup files will now be hidden by default. Do you see them if you do Ctrl-H? gumb
Op Tue, 24 Oct 2023 23:31:19 +0200 gumb via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> schreef:
On 24/10/2023 23:06, Martin /Nightowl/ Byttebier wrote:
Hello,
Operating System: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20231022 KDE Plasma Version: 5.27.8 KDE Frameworks Version: 5.111.0 Qt Version: 5.15.11 Kernel Version: 6.5.8-1-default (64-bit) Graphics Platform: X11 Processors: 16 × 11th Gen Intel® Core™ i7-11700 @ 2.50GHz Memory: 15.3 GiB of RAM Graphics Processor: NV174
Problem: I still using an old Atari dtp-program called Calamus for a montly magazine. It runs just fine under wine.
I'm not quite sure but I believe when I save my work the program renames a previous version of the doc as whatever.bak and then save the current work under whatever.cdk
Until recently dolphin displayed both whatever.cdk and whatever.bak. But now I noticed whatever.bak became invisible. It's marked as backup file.
I wonder if this is a normal behaviour? Under Leap 15.4 and 15.5 this doesn't happen. Both files remains visible.
Thanks, Martin
Pretty sure I read something recently about a change in Dolphin and other KDE file apps meaning these backup files will now be hidden by default. Do you see them if you do Ctrl-H?
Yes I do see them with Ctrl-H. Not a big deal, but some time ago one of the docs I was working on got corrupt and I couldn't find the backup. It didn't crossed my mind to look for hidden files. Redo the work was the only option at that time. Regards, Martin -- Atari FTP-site: ftp://kurobox.serveftp.net:3021 Running openSUSE Tumbleweed / KDE 5.27.8
On 10/24/23 16:59, Martin /Nightowl/ Byttebier wrote:
Yes I do see them with Ctrl-H. Not a big deal, but some time ago one of the docs I was working on got corrupt and I couldn't find the backup. It didn't crossed my mind to look for hidden files. Redo the work was the only option at that time.
This is why you do NOT change defaults.... You provide an option and publicize the fact you can turn off seeing .bak file rather than thinking you know better what somebody else wants to see. It would be surprising if this wasn't the umpteenth time something similar has happened (especially in the KDE world ... but Gnome gets no free ride either ...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 18:38:47 -0500 "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 10/24/23 16:59, Martin /Nightowl/ Byttebier wrote:
Yes I do see them with Ctrl-H. Not a big deal, but some time ago one of the docs I was working on got corrupt and I couldn't find the backup. It didn't crossed my mind to look for hidden files. Redo the work was the only option at that time.
This is why you do NOT change defaults....
You provide an option and publicize the fact you can turn off seeing .bak file rather than thinking you know better what somebody else wants to see.
It would be surprising if this wasn't the umpteenth time something similar has happened (especially in the KDE world ... but Gnome gets no free ride either ...)
This is why *I* do not use systems like KDE or Gnome whose authors think they know what I want. PS google showed similar concerns about KDE back in 2010. Maybe they're still relevant.
On Wednesday 25 October 2023, Martin /Nightowl/ Byttebier wrote:
Op Tue, 24 Oct 2023 23:31:19 +0200 gumb via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> schreef:
On 24/10/2023 23:06, Martin /Nightowl/ Byttebier wrote:
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Pretty sure I read something recently about a change in Dolphin and other KDE file apps meaning these backup files will now be hidden by default. Do you see them if you do Ctrl-H?
Yes I do see them with Ctrl-H. Not a big deal, but some time ago one of the docs I was working on got corrupt and I couldn't find the backup. It didn't crossed my mind to look for hidden files. Redo the work was the only option at that time.
Regards, Martin
It might be an exercise in futility, but perhaps give the developers some feedback. Maybe even raise a bug a concerning the decision. Or mention the issue in https://discuss.kde.org/. You can also directly question the developers (at least one of them) by commenting at Adventures in Linux and KDE blog https://pointieststick.com/ As a user of Open Source, I feel I should at least participate at that level. I've used all those channels in the past. Maybe it won't change any minds on the matter, but it might give them pause for thought. The KDE developers are doing a bit of house cleaning with the Plasma Qt6. Raising awareness of such issues might save us some future pain. Michael
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