[opensuse] How do I save the desktop in Gnome?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Using 10.2, I don't see how to manually save the desktop layout and preferences. In the control center, under "sessions", I have selected "Ask on logout", but I'm not asked. I have to use instead "automatically save changes to session". Is there some other way to manually save the layout? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF2ZQatTMYHG2NR9URAvYpAJwNfFtZAn/AehqCH9TvYp6UnkL47gCgk/6b FFloRvPCAdWMiW9jl0hnaaY= =oU52 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 13:12 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Hi,
Using 10.2, I don't see how to manually save the desktop layout and preferences.
In the control center, under "sessions", I have selected "Ask on logout", but I'm not asked. I have to use instead "automatically save changes to session".
Is there some other way to manually save the layout?
gnome-session-save. It being missing is part of a little disconnect we have with the upstream logout menus right now. Out of curiosity, how often do you use this feature? We'd been considering removing it. -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon February 19 2007 09:45, JP Rosevear wrote:
gnome-session-save. It being missing is part of a little disconnect we have with the upstream logout menus right now.
Out of curiosity, how often do you use this feature? We'd been considering removing it.
Hi JP, Thanks for the shortcut. I'd personally vote to keep the button on logout available because, every so often, I rearrange my workspace to suit current projects and in those cases it is very handy. regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 10:02 -0500, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Mon February 19 2007 09:45, JP Rosevear wrote:
gnome-session-save. It being missing is part of a little disconnect we have with the upstream logout menus right now.
Out of curiosity, how often do you use this feature? We'd been considering removing it.
Hi JP,
Thanks for the shortcut. I'd personally vote to keep the button on logout available because, every so often, I rearrange my workspace to suit current projects and in those cases it is very handy.
regards,
Second. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2/19/07, JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> wrote:
gnome-session-save. It being missing is part of a little disconnect we have with the upstream logout menus right now.
Out of curiosity, how often do you use this feature? We'd been considering removing it.
I definitely use it., would piss and moan if it were gone ... Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-02-19 at 09:45 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote:
Is there some other way to manually save the layout?
gnome-session-save. It being missing is part of a little disconnect we have with the upstream logout menus right now.
Ah! Good, that one works, thank you! :-) However... there is a bug. Two, actually. 1) When I run "gnome-session-save" (from inside a "gnome-terminal"), the session is saved, popping a window telling me if I want to save, and another that some windows can not be saved (firefox-bin, jdictionary, xconsole...). But, and this is very disconcerting, the Yast software management window that I had minimized (I asked in another thread) does pop up again, asking as well if I want to install or remove more packages! Ie, "gnome-session-save" causes other minimized windows to pop up! 2) In the gnome-terminal I run gnome-session-save from, I get this error message (which is also logged to syslog): GConf-WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/gconfd-cer2 is not the current user Notice that I'm running as "cer", not "cer2", which is another different user that doesn't concern at all the current session (nothing is currently running as "cer2"). Why is gconf medling with "cer2"?
Out of curiosity, how often do you use this feature? We'd been considering removing it.
Quite often, actually. My procedure is to open those apps I want opened at start, then save the session status (I did this previously by login out and clicking the box - which does not exist now). This way, when I exit normally my current status is not saved (good!), and on next log-in I get the exact desktop I want, not the last one I used (and I don't have to bother clossing manually every thing I don't want restarted). I most definitely want to save the session status at my defined points in time, and not automatically on exit. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF2cgktTMYHG2NR9URAsiFAJ93/DTWSVVX/Z2lMdtz4A/rqfMo9wCgi16Q U/UI9BoBVoWqnxhNCEzfu5M= =CoZh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 16:54 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Monday 2007-02-19 at 09:45 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote:
Is there some other way to manually save the layout?
gnome-session-save. It being missing is part of a little disconnect we have with the upstream logout menus right now.
Ah! Good, that one works, thank you! :-)
However... there is a bug. Two, actually.
1) When I run "gnome-session-save" (from inside a "gnome-terminal"), the session is saved, popping a window telling me if I want to save, and another that some windows can not be saved (firefox-bin, jdictionary, xconsole...). But, and this is very disconcerting, the Yast software management window that I had minimized (I asked in another thread) does pop up again, asking as well if I want to install or remove more packages!
Ie, "gnome-session-save" causes other minimized windows to pop up!
Its not gnome-session-save likely in that case, its how session management is handled by the app or KDE itself probably. The fact XSMP is so broken in apps for complicated cases is a reason to possibility remove it - you are seeing that firefox for instance doesn't support it. -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-02-19 at 12:52 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote:
Ie, "gnome-session-save" causes other minimized windows to pop up!
Its not gnome-session-save likely in that case, its how session management is handled by the app or KDE itself probably. The fact XSMP is so broken in apps for complicated cases is a reason to possibility remove it - you are seeing that firefox for instance doesn't support it.
I can accept that some apps don't save their status completely, and be told about it. It would be enough in those cases to save window position. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF2kVEtTMYHG2NR9URAkCGAJ0Ut1BfiuYB1kNggubrVPMD/v8EawCfRJKW vmeXOVYs9LjRa/g4EKTbHZQ= =SJAW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 09:45 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote:
gnome-session-save. It being missing is part of a little disconnect we have with the upstream logout menus right now.
Out of curiosity, how often do you use this feature? We'd been considering removing it.
Actually, following up on that question, I'd love some slightly more detailed information about how people use this feature: * Do you save your session once, and then resume that same session over and over again, or do you prefer to save your session on every logout, and always resume the previous session on your next login. Or do you use save-session-on-logout sometimes, but not always? Or do you never use the functionality at all? * Exactly what sort of "state" are you trying to get it to save and restore between sessions? Open applications? Open documents? Window positions? Something else? * Does it work? Or are you thwarted by bugs? * Are there any other programs/scripts/hacks you use in connection with this functionality to make it work better? (And if so, what exactly do they do, what happens when you don't use them, etc?) * Have you looked at / used the "Startup Programs" pane of the Sessions capplet? Does that seem like a better or worse way to set up your default session? Why? * Do you have any ideas on how we could present this functionality that would work better for you than the way it is now? Reply either to the list or just to me. Thanks! -- Dan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi Dan, On Mon February 19 2007 18:19, Dan Winship wrote:
Actually, following up on that question, I'd love some slightly more detailed information about how people use this feature:
* Do you save your session once, and then resume that same session over and over again, or do you prefer to save your session on every logout, and always resume the previous session on your next login. Or do you use save-session-on-logout sometimes, but not always? Or do you never use the functionality at all?
I occassionally modify my workspace, but it always includes: - mail client - GAIM - Skype (and now Ekiga) - shell - text editor opened to 'scratchpad.txt' - two Firefox windows (localhost/~user/dev & remote/webmail) - xmms (for streams & downloaded podcasts) Sometimes I need to shutdown when I've got a dozen or more documents open in Quanta+ and/or jEdit and/or OOo and/or alternate browsers. In these cases, not being able to save as much of the session as possible is a major PITA!
* Exactly what sort of "state" are you trying to get it to save and restore between sessions? Open applications? Open documents? Window positions? Something else?
All of the above.
* Does it work? Or are you thwarted by bugs?
In 10.0/GNOME, which was my previous heavily used daily desktop environment, saving sessions worked *except* for Firefox and, I think, jEdit... maybe one other didn't cooperate. Even if some aren't saved/restored properly, having the desktop *mostly* restored still saves a great deal of time.
* Are there any other programs/scripts/hacks you use in connection with this functionality to make it work better? (And if so, what exactly do they do, what happens when you don't use them, etc?) * Have you looked at / used the "Startup Programs" pane of the Sessions capplet?
I've looked at but not used it. It doesn't feel as convenient as a single button click at logout.
Does that seem like a better or worse way to set up your default session?
worse
Why?
Requires too much advance planning... I prefer a simple "save as-is now" button at logout.
* Do you have any ideas on how we could present this functionality that would work better for you than the way it is now?
You mean put it back and make it work properly? I'd *love* that! ;-)
Reply either to the list or just to me. Thanks!
Done. And thanks a lot for asking! regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-02-19 at 18:19 -0500, Dan Winship wrote:
Actually, following up on that question, I'd love some slightly more detailed information about how people use this feature:
Ok! :-)
* Do you save your session once, and then resume that same session over and over again, or do you prefer to save your session on every logout, and always resume the previous session on your next login. Or do you use save-session-on-logout sometimes, but not always? Or do you never use the functionality at all?
I save once, then use those settings without change from then on; or I may want something new to save, and I will repeat the procedure. For this I prefer to save at a precise moment in time by clicking somewhere, not necessarily on logout. I saved on logout simply because I did not know how to save when I really wanted to. I do not want to automatically save on logout unless I say so.
* Exactly what sort of "state" are you trying to get it to save and restore between sessions? Open applications? Open documents? Window positions? Something else?
Open applications, window positions, and which workspace, mostly. I do not want OOo to remember opened files, thankyou ;-) , but I do want gnome terminal to remember what tabs it has opened, the path, and the command running, if any - and it does. Let me see... no, that's not exact. I start a gnome-terminal with this command: gnome-terminal \ --tab-with-profile=small --title="Uno" --command "bash" \ --tab-with-profile=small --title=mail --command "tailf /var/log/mail" \ --tab-with-profile=small --title=mail.debug --command "tailf /var/log/mail.debug" \ ... It works, and if session is saved, it remember that status fine. No complains :-) I think that what data is saved for each application I think can be left for each app to decide. I might want to decide when and whether I want the panels to be saved, because I have no control on that, AFAIK.
* Does it work? Or are you thwarted by bugs?
I think it works fine in 10.2 - with the exception I asked about in this thread, that it did not offer to save on logout.
* Are there any other programs/scripts/hacks you use in connection with this functionality to make it work better? (And if so, what exactly do they do, what happens when you don't use them, etc?)
The script I use to open that terminal as mentioned above.
* Have you looked at / used the "Startup Programs" pane of the Sessions capplet? Does that seem like a better or worse way to set up your default session? Why?
No. I'm just barely aware of its existence, and I see it as complementary: it is not the same thing, I don't see how to save window positions, for instance.
* Do you have any ideas on how we could present this functionality that would work better for you than the way it is now?
Having a menu or something to "save session now", perhaps in the control panel, inside the session applet - no, hold on, it would restart the control panel. It has to be a menu entry somewhere. And having the question posed on exit as a click box - which has disappeared. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF2jwLtTMYHG2NR9URAiGFAJ90nWAslHGFRiXjvZV8q3od+uhlAgCfRfDt hd0alSQVu4D8V37AsHJwFW0= =F/yD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2/19/07, Dan Winship <danw@novell.com> wrote:
Actually, following up on that question, I'd love some slightly more detailed information about how people use this feature:
* Do you save your session once, and then resume that same session over and over again,
yes, but ...
or do you prefer to save your session on every logout, and always resume the previous session on your next login. Or do you use save-session-on-logout sometimes, but not always?
I then save again *sometimes* to preserve a specific state, because I am doing a set of things specifically for a period of time, and then when done, I will "recreate" the usual saved settings, and save once more to get to that state ...
Or do you never use the functionality at all? * Exactly what sort of "state" are you trying to get it to save and restore between sessions? Open applications? Open documents? Window positions? Something else?
open apps, open docs, window position
* Does it work? Or are you thwarted by bugs?
mostly works, though since moving to a gnome desktop I have not yet used it extensively -- loved it with KDE and will need it again with gnome
* Have you looked at / used the "Startup Programs" pane of the Sessions capplet? Does that seem like a better or worse way to set up your default session? Why?
don't know what you are talking about -- I do have a couple programs added to startup (skype and gaim) .. is that what you mean?
* Do you have any ideas on how we could present this functionality that would work better for you than the way it is now?
make it work like it (does/did for me) in KDE, and I will be happy. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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