[opensuse] Reply to list vs. reply to all
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:13 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
phanisvara das wrote:
BTW, please do not sent replies to both me and the list. I don't have to read a message twice. If it's sent to the list, I will see it.
fyi: some of the opensuse developer / project lists are being opened up to allow non-subscriber posts. The advantage is that if a topic comes up that needs the input of a non-subscriber, then they can just be added to the cc: line. The trouble is that for those lists reply-all needs to become the norm for the to actually work correctly. I'm a proponent of the change, but I doubt it will make its way to the end-user lists like this one anytime soon. fyi: This is how the LKML lists have been for years and I think other developer lists are similar, so many developers are used to that behavior. On high volume mailing lists it also allows filters to be setup to flag emails addressed to the subscriber as opposed to just another list email. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer CNN/TruTV Aired Forensic Imaging Demo - http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/how-computer-evidence-gets-retriev... The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2010-10-29 at 11:42 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
fyi: some of the opensuse developer / project lists are being opened up to allow non-subscriber posts. The advantage is that if a topic comes up that needs the input of a non-subscriber, then they can just be added to the cc: line.
The trouble is that for those lists reply-all needs to become the norm for the to actually work correctly.
I'm a proponent of the change, but I doubt it will make its way to the end-user lists like this one anytime soon.
I see several problems. * It will open up the lists for spammers. * Some people will get two copies, one on list, one off list (which will cause complains, and confussion). * Of those people, if they are using gmail (which many do), they will only receive the direct, off-list reply (gmail removes the second email with the same ID). * When those gmail people reply, the reply might only go direct, not to the list. * And some other thing I forgot :-) An alternative, if the software allowed, would be to subscribe the external person automatically to that thread alone. Or for a limited time. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkzLLJEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WzrwCdGwMCPCeps0Rn40RhkzJruUv6 U3gAn19OpeGCHjfciSw7IbZrY3ySu3mF =UYF+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
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On Friday, 2010-10-29 at 11:42 -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
fyi: some of the opensuse developer / project lists are being opened up to allow non-subscriber posts. The advantage is that if a topic comes up that needs the input of a non-subscriber, then they can just be added to the cc: line.
The trouble is that for those lists reply-all needs to become the norm for the to actually work correctly.
I'm a proponent of the change, but I doubt it will make its way to the end-user lists like this one anytime soon.
I see several problems.
* It will open up the lists for spammers.
I believe opensuse-project and opensuse-kernel were opened up a couple months ago. I'm on both and have not seen many complaints yet. But, yes a couple spams have gotten through the spam filters, but not many.
* Some people will get two copies, one on list, one off list (which will cause complains, and confussion).
For now it is more for the devels who see this behavior from other lists they are on.
* Of those people, if they are using gmail (which many do), they will only receive the direct, off-list reply (gmail removes the second email with the same ID).
And.... (note I often use gmail with the kernel mailing lists that behave this way. In fact even Linus has started to use gmail for LKML activity.) I've seen no complaints about gmails handling of email as far as this specific issue is concerned.
* When those gmail people reply, the reply might only go direct, not to the list.
I guess that happens. But I'm not sure its any worse than now on this list. ie. we often see people complain about having to "reply to list".
* And some other thing I forgot :-)
We'll see how it works on the other lists. If you want to see the discussion that led up to this, I think it was on opensuse-project (and yes I was one that pushed for it.)
An alternative, if the software allowed, would be to subscribe the external person automatically to that thread alone. Or for a limited time.
No idea about that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 29. Oktober 2010, 17:42:15 schrieb Greg Freemyer:
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:13 AM, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
phanisvara das wrote:
BTW, please do not sent replies to both me and the list. I don't have to read a message twice. If it's sent to the list, I will see it.
fyi: some of the opensuse developer / project lists are being opened up to allow non-subscriber posts. The advantage is that if a topic comes up that needs the input of a non-subscriber, then they can just be added to the cc: line.
The trouble is that for those lists reply-all needs to become the norm for the to actually work correctly.
The current norm that should be obeyed is written down in the mailinglist netiquette. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Personal_and_mail_li... "Rule of thumb: Unless a direct mail is requested, post answers "only to the list"." IMO it still applys, even for opened mailinglists because the people that are not on the list can request to be CCed. the rule of thumb stays valid. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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