* Ralph Sanford (rsanford@telusplanet.net) [010626 22:49]: -> ->Does the Evolution on your copy of 7.2 work? I have 7.2 here and decided ->to load it on my laptop first. (BTW SuSE 7.2 on the Toshiba 2800 was the ->smoothest Linux install I have had on any machine yet.) Tried to test ->Evolution, but the server selection under the Send and the Receive tabs ->is stuck on NONE. No amount of clicking, tabbing, typing can get either ->server selection to move from NONE to anything else. Without being able ->to specify server info to send or receive makes the mail component of ->Evolution worthless. Too bad cause I did want to play with it. -> ->If other people have gotten Evolution from 7.2 to work then I can still ->hope that one of the desktop computers will work with Evolution and then ->I can play with it. I know it's included, but I use Mutt for mail and Jpilot to keep track of the other such things as contacts, todo's and appointments. I played with Evolution about 9 months ago..but that was more or less playing around. I just saw it on the CD's today. I haven't yet installed 7.2..mainly because I just have this huge fear of screwing with a tweaked running systems that's fairly up to date due to my upgrades. Let me know if you get it working...if so it may be something I will recommend to co-workers who need a GUI mailer. :) Regards, -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- The only argument for the superiority of Windows over UNIX is that General Protection Fault outranks Colonel Panic.

I started using Evolution a month ago, and although its not finished, It is now my favourite email program, calendar and contacts program. It got criticised by Linux-Format mag for being too much like Outlook. Imho Outlook is a very slick program interface wise. dids

I would check out either Aethera by TheKompany or Evolution by Ximian..these both should suit your needs. They are not as baked as Outbreak, but they are coming along nicely. They also don't suffer from the virus issues that Outbreak 2000/Express do.

http://www.ximian.com http://www.thekompany.com

BTW..Evolution is on the SuSE 7.2 CD's.

* Oxiel Contreras (oxielc@usa.net) [010626 22:01]: ->Hello again! ;) -> ->People needing something like OutLook for Linux, which let them make ->appointmets, have schedule, make dates. All in a network enviroment. Is these ->available at StarOffice??, or do i need something different?

-- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- The only argument for the superiority of Windows over UNIX is that General Protection Fault outranks Colonel Panic.

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I use Outlook all the time and love it. I do think though that Outlook is only really good if you get 150+ emails a day. If you don't get a lot of mail and don't need the features for handling large quantities of mail then a simpler email client would make much more sense. And as far as navigating the features no big deal its just something you have to adapt to and get a feel for like any other program, also being familiar with the MS Office interface helps a lot. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Van Sanden" To: "dids" Cc: "suse" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] OutLook for Linux I'm forced to use lookout at work... and I hate the interface! I rather see something resembling kmail, or even StarOffice. And that's not the worst of it, ever tried to find your way arround the settings? Another nice thing, if I send a mail using lookout (this ones was sent from StarOffice), It displays my name as "Van Sanden Guy" and I can't get it changed to "Guy Van Sanden" 'firstname lastname' like a normal person does :-(

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On 27/06/2001, 09:48:15, dids wrote regarding Re: [SLE] OutLook for Linux:

I started using Evolution a month ago, and although its not finished, It is now my favourite email program, calendar and contacts program. It got criticised by Linux-Format mag for being too much like Outlook. Imho Outlook is a very slick program interface wise.

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I would check out either Aethera by TheKompany or Evolution by Ximian..these both should suit your needs. They are not as baked as Outbreak, but they are coming along nicely. They also don't suffer from the virus issues that Outbreak 2000/Express do.

http://www.ximian.com http://www.thekompany.com

BTW..Evolution is on the SuSE 7.2 CD's.

* Oxiel Contreras (oxielc@usa.net) [010626 22:01]: ->Hello again! ;) -> ->People needing something like OutLook for Linux, which let them make ->appointmets, have schedule, make dates. All in a network enviroment. Is these ->available at StarOffice??, or do i need something different?

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard den Hollander" To: "Diane" Cc: "suse" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] OutLook for Linux

Reasons why outlook sucks. 1) Replys should FOLLOW the message they are a reply to, not be at the top of the message with the *WHOLE FUCKING MESSAGE* attached at the end. How the messages attach or not all depends on how you set up outlook including whether it starts at the end or beginning.

2) Outlook SUCKS at handling large quantities of email , the rules wizard gets throughly confused if you have more than 500 - 1000 emails per day. (try following KDE, Suse and a bunch of other mailing lists as well as having some automated programs email you the results daily). mailagent can easily handle well over 5000 messages per hour (been there, done that, thanks to a misconfigured mailer) . I have used Outlook for handling up to 800 emails a day and didn't have a problem with it being confused. I use Outlook 2000, 97 sucked. Using a combination of grouping, sorting, and view filtering makes a big difference.

3) outlooks .pst file format is horrible, you can onl;y use outlook to read that file, and the file just grows and grows. 4) Outlook by default sends all attachements in an attachement called winmail.dat which can only be read by outlook. I haven't had any problems with attachments either, when I save mail I save it as text or html not an outlook mail file.

5) Navigating the features is horrible, there is absolutely no logic to the location where settings can be changed. The only benefiot you have from getting used to the winblows API is that you're used to looking everywhere for your settings. I understood the logic behind how Outlook is set up, its designed to work with Office and has a lot of similarities to it, as far as the Outlook specific features that made sense to me too.

6) Macro virusses. I agree with you about the macro virus issue, its a pain to have to keep an eye on that.

7) Utter lack of compatibility between versions (try sharing calendars between OL98 and OL2K whitout an exchange server) I don't have to share my calendar so this is not an issue I can respond to.

I know what Im talking about, I've been using outlook since Outlook 97 (a piece of crap if there ever were one) side by side with elm/mutt.

I've more than once lost all my outlook mail/contacts/calendar entires because outlook decided to ruin my .pst file. I keep that stuff backed up

I am sure most of this is a matter of personal preference, I also think outlook would be much better as a linux program. I always thought eudora was the one that was a hassle. Diane _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

One of the reasons why I keep Windows2k installed besides for the games is Outlook Express. Kmail is just too crashy (and likes to "recover" deleted items at crashes), mozilla is damn to slow (kmail is faster), OU is great, fast, always works without any problems, but it is true it doesn't support threading (or maybe I didn't find that option). Yours, ZIga

I am sure most of this is a matter of personal preference, I also think outlook would be much better as a linux program. I always thought eudora was the one that was a hassle.

Diane

* n6tadam (Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 08:56:02AM +0100)

Hi,

Am I to understand that you don't like Outlook then?? :-))

Not as much as I dislike people who stick a one line reply at the top of a 200 line message, and then include the whole fucking message at the end of their email. And funnily enough almost all the losers who do that use either outlook or Microsofts internet mail and news reader (commonly known as outlook expres). Kind regards, -- Gerhard den Hollander Phone +31-10.280.1515 Global Technical Support Fax +31-10.280.1511 Jason Geosystems BV (When calling please note: we are in GMT+1) gdenhollander@jasongeo.com POBox 1573 visit us at http://www.jasongeo.com 3000 BN Rotterdam JASON.......#1 in Reservoir Characterization The Netherlands This e-mail and any attachment is/are intended solely for the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, we request that you do not disseminate, forward, distribute or copy this e-mail message. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and destroy the original message.

This list has been mercifully free from flames. Please keep it that way. Anders On Thursday 28 June 2001 11:38, Gerhard den Hollander wrote:

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Am I to understand that you don't like Outlook then?? :-))

Not as much as I dislike people who stick a one line reply at the top of a 200 line message, and then include the whole fucking message at the end of their email.

And funnily enough almost all the losers who do that use either outlook or Microsofts internet mail and news reader (commonly known as outlook expres).

Kind regards, --

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List, I would just like to say, that I am sorry if I have/had started a "flame war". I had flames on mailing lists, since once they start, it is difficult to stop them. I would just say though, that I am thankful to Terence McCarthy for backing me up. I was taken aback by Gerhard den Hollander's attitude. Please, no more flames :-) Regards, Thomas Adam Please note that the content of this message is confidential between the original sender and the intended recipient(s) of the message. If you are not an intended recipient and/or have received this message in error, kindly disregard the content of the message and return it to the original sender. If you have any complaints about this message please reply to: office@purbeck.dorset.sch.uk The Purbeck School E-Mail server running: users.purbeck.dorset.sch.uk

* Terence McCarthy (Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 10:11:03AM +0000)

On Thursday 28 June 2001 09:38, Gerhard den Hollander wrote:

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Not as much as I dislike people who stick a one line reply at the top of a 200 line message, and then include the whole fucking message at the end of their email.

And funnily enough almost all the losers who do that use either outlook or Microsofts internet mail and news reader (commonly known as outlook expres).

Strangely enough, to you perhaps, I don't like the tone or the language of this email.

Sorry about that .. that reply should have been directed directly at the sender, not at the list. Currently listening to: Skinny Puppy - Smothered Hope (Demo) (Back And Forth Series Two) Gerhard, <@jasongeo.com> == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O Some say the end is near. =`\<, Some say we'll see armageddon soon (=)/(=) I certainly hope we will I could use a vacation

* Terence McCarthy (Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 04:34:43PM +0000)

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Strangely enough, to you perhaps, I don't like the tone or the language of this email.

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Sorry about that .. that reply should have been directed directly at the sender, not at the list.

I hear what you say, but my comment holds whether it's for private or public consumption~ would you talk to a colleague or friend in those terms, or in that way?

I do hope not.

Actually, sometimes I do . The problem with email communication is that it's only textual, and that while the language might come off strong, the intention isn't always to flame the receiver to hell and highwater and back again. Sticking a smiley somehwere in the first 3 lines of the original email would likely have taken the sting out of most what I worte, and made it clear I wasn't trying to crisp. Putting a 2 line reply (at the top of) a 200 line email is a p[et peeve of mine. COmbined with lack of sleep and lack of coffee this meant that I 1) forgot I was sending it to the list in stead of the sender 2) didn't realise the tone of the message was more vehement than I had intended.

Terence

Currently listening to: Track 3 Gerhard, <@jasongeo.com> == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O Screwing a cow while she goes moo-moo =`\<, Will be entertaining to both her and you (=)/(=) Or you might try a tiger, if you have enough gall But the hedgepod can never be buggered at all.

What I hate is people how reply to the list and everyone who has mailed the list on a subject. They are ALL subscribed. If it's a private mail..send it to them. If it's ment to be public..just send it to the SLE..so all these dups aren't flying around. If it's sent to the list they will get it..as will everyone else. I find hitting reply to all just as if not more annoying then adding a single line to a long email. And yes, I have dups procmailed out. It's just a matter of common sense. " If subscribed they will get it..and sending 2 copies of the same mail won't get the point across any clearer. " From: Gerhard den Hollander To: Terence McCarthy Cc: Gerhard den Hollander , Gerhard den Hollander , n6tadam , Diane , suse The above is just silly. Regards, -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- The only argument for the superiority of Windows over UNIX is that General Protection Fault outranks Colonel Panic.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Patriiiiiiiiiick" To: "Diane" Cc: "Gerhard den Hollander" ; "suse" Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] OutLook for Linux

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I am sure most of this is a matter of personal preference, I also think outlook would be much better as a linux program. I always thought eudora was the one that was a hassle.

As a long time Eudora user, I can't agree with that. Maybe, you've tried with an older version than the current one. Could you please tell me why you think so?

I tried eudora about a year ago and recently and I still dont like it. I didn't care for the way the features are set up in the program. It also doesnt have some of the things that outlook does (I use outlook 2000) like the appointment manager and calendar. I use outlook together with word and excel a lot. This would not be as fast and easy to do with eudora. I also use a combination of filtering and grouping that I haven't been able to achieve in eudora.

I will put some of the advantages it has over the other ones I've tried at work.

* Light in comparison to the other ones. See next point about that too. It is surely much lighter and faster to start/stop then Outlook or Netscape.

* Multi user + multi account (personalities). I have one eudora installed on my system. I can run multiple instances of the program (separated windows, mailboxes and options). Those two programs running at the same time on my old machine (K6-233 64MB): one checking three mail accounts for me and the other checking two accounts for my girlfriend. I repeat: at the same time and without any problem. I don't know of any mailer capable of doing that on Windows. Even if Outlook was able to do it, I would be out of memory immediately. And I usually use ICQ, Mozilla on top of those. I am also using the pesonalities feature: different name (you don't think I will prented my name is Patriiiiiiiiiick when I am sending out my resume, do you?) account, signature, reply-to: address and others for each

Yes, eudora is faster to start and stop than outlook but programs being light is not a priority for me with the exception of browsers and some background things. I leave outlook up and running all day long because it is used constantly, besides I need that reminder that tells me it's time for lunch ;) If i used eudora I would have to run some sort of personal time management software as well which defeats the purpose of it being light. My focus is much more on a feature rich program than size. personality. Yes, outlook allows you to create personalities (user profiles in outlook). But since since I don't share my computer and never will I don't worry about setting up a profile for someone else, I have different email accounts that have been set up with different attributes designed for different types of interaction.

* Filters: even if this part of the interface hasn't changed since I know it, it is the most powerful I've seen until now. It can do so many different things. It is very fast and easy to create a new filter. The same remains true to manage them though I think this could be improved.

* Efficient: all the parts of the interface are straightforward: it is easy to learn how to use it and one click or shortcut for one action is usually enough.

I thought the same could be said for outlook because there is a common user interface it shares with MS Office. So if you learn one program in office you have learned a lot of the other office programs as well.

* But still powerful: the filters remain efficient with high traffic. The mailboxes remain of reasonnable size du to the fact that the mails are decoded when they arrive (spare 30% of the size of the attachements). As an experience, I am keeping many mails in one mailbox to see what the limit is: it now has about 27 000 messages in it and its size is 90 MB. All that with no big speed hit. Also, once, I had an account with 5000+ mails on it. Rather than spending the time to download them all, I just dowloaded the headers of the mails, remotely deleted the ones I didn't want to read and took the rest. All that with POP3 even if it supports IMAP4.

I have no idea what the limit is on outlook since I have never reached it. I have never had 5,000 emails at one time and hope I never do.

* It is a non M$ product. No explantion needed here. ;-)

Sadly, I have to agree with you on that point. I hate supporting MS but at the same time I have to use what works the best for me. I know that as linux grows and I learn more and more about it I will be supporting MS less and less but I will always be selfish in my support of software and simply use what works best for me.

There surely other things but I can't think of them right now.

Polite regards, ( ;-p )

Patrick

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