1/30/02 11:47:59 AM, Curtis Rey wrote:

I could be wrong, this might just be some guy talking about something he's just doing. I for one am paranoid enough to not trust M$. How knows? The NTFS bootloader may very well log the OS version installed and then send it home to Redmond - lord knows M$-XP phones home alot.

Just MHO, Curtis

That's why the first thing you do with a windows box is stuff something like Zone Alarm on, even if you're already running behind a firewall. ZA will tell you when some application or service tries to access the internet and you can block it. I get alerts for things like Microsoft Works trying to access the internet even when I haven't loaded anything into it. The thought that there are countless millions of people running systems like XP, directly connected to the internet and without a proper firewall would be truly horrifying...if I wasn't running Linux. BTW, How open is this list? It's just that I've started receiving regular spam from it. I know this because I always use suse-ml as a prefix to my domain so that I can track where spam originated. Not only that, but someone even sent me the MyParty virus to my list address as well! I didn't expect to be picking up Winblows viruses from mailing to a Linux List, maybe there are M$ agents snooping around after all! Tim Harrell

The geocrawler archive delete all email addresses from the mail, but suse's own archive doesn't, so your address is widely available to spam spiders everywhere

//Anders

Well, that explains a few things! And, frankly I wonder if the list server/archive could do something about that? I really don't want my email address at the beck and call of any spammers' spider prog. Cheers, Curtis

1/31/02 11:46:35 PM, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

* Curtis Rey (crrey@charter.net) [020131 14:39]:

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Well, that explains a few things! And, frankly I wonder if the list server/archive could do something about that? I really don't want my email address at the beck and call of any spammers' spider prog.

You can set your from to be whatever you want since it's the envelope from that's used for authentication. The envelope from doesn't appear anywhere in the archives.

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-ckm

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I put anything other than the address I subscribed with in the

From field, the list doesn't acknowledge it (it doesn't bounce back either since the From address is not a real address. I've tried using the address in a format such as below.

Tim Harrell [ .+1s/NOSPAM// to reply ] ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________

2/1/02 3:14:47 PM, Donald Duck wrote:

On Friday 01 February 2002 16.12, Tim Harrell wrote:

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I'm not sure what you mean by this. If I put anything other than the address I subscribed with in the From field, the list doesn't acknowledge it (it doesn't bounce back either since the From address is not a real address. I've tried using the address in a format such as below.

Tim Harrell [ .+1s/NOSPAM// to reply ]

Perhaps Opera can't handle it. Try using another mailer

-- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com

Hello Donald, do say hello to your friend Anders for me. ;) Yes, Opera doesn't let me alter the From field of a composed message so as to be different to the identity I've preconfigured (selected from a dropdown). But when I changed the identity of the sender so as to include the spamguard, posts would not appear on the list. I've altered the reply-to setting which is what I should have done in the first place. I only use Opera from work...at home it's usually KMail. Tim Harrell [ .+1s/NOSPAM// to reply ] ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________

Warning: I tried Opera from work, on Windows. It was kinda nice but: somehow it killed, permanently, a Visual Basic routine that tied Windows 98 into an AS-400 computer for some data. I don't know how, and IT won't help me. They want to completely wipe everything off my drive and reinstall W98 from scratch. With THEIR apps only, of course. --doug

setting which is what I should have done in the first place. I only use Opera from work...at home it's usually KMail.

Tim Harrell [ .+1s/NOSPAM// to reply ]

On Sunday 03 February 2002 01.55, Joshua Lee wrote:

You mentioned you use KMail. There's an option (configure Kmail / Network) to make it use sendmail to send out your mail rather than the built-in message sender. Sendmail however can be a difficult beast to configure.

It doesn't matter. KMail will always use the proper envelope, regardless if you're using /usr/sbin/sendmail or connecting directly to port 25 on some smtp server. What you put in "From:" will only affect the data segment. I think that's true for most linux/unix mailers. When I sent the Donald Duck mail I was using KMail connecting directly to port 25 regards Anders

On Friday 01 February 2002 17.58, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

The envelope is set by your MTA, the header from is set by your mail client. If you are using one of those all-in-one mail clients that also have a minimal mta built in then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Actually both are set by the client. The envelope from is what the client passes as parameter to MAIL FROM, while the "header" From: is passed as plain text in the DATA segment. //Anders

* Anders Johansson (andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net) [020201 11:59]: ->On Friday 01 February 2002 18.56, Anders Johansson wrote: ->> Actually both are set by the client. The envelope from is what the client ->> passes as parameter to MAIL FROM, while the "header" From: is passed as ->> plain text in the DATA segment. -> ->It seems I was wrong about this. While the above is technically correct, ->apparently I'm a little bit hazy on the definitions of "MTA" and "MUA" MUA = Kmail, Mutt and Pine..etc. MTA = Postfix, Qmail, Sendmail...etc..etc Cheers! -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

Which is why if WinANYTHING is in the subject of the mail or if the mail has anything to do with Windows on this list. I automatically delete it. I firmly believe that this is a Linux list...and I shall help no one with Windows issues..even dual booting. I could careless what Windows likes or if Lilo won't work with a version of Windows. People can go elsewhere for help with that crap. So I wouldn't see a troll that was doing this. I had enough of that crap during the OS/2 days...it use to just piss me right off. CKM can tell you I'm a sucker for a flamewar and man I use to enjoy it when it was OS/2 vs. Windows 3.X :) * Curtis Rey (crrey@charter.net) [020131 04:02]: ->I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually an M$ agent. I just read a ->John C Devorak article that mentioned how M$ used a team of M$ employees ->to go in to chat rooms and mail list during the OS/2 wars. He mentioned ->that it seems M$ is up to their old tricks. He said an informant from ->M$ leaked it too him. He also mentioned that they will troll chat ->pallors and mail lists about how awful things are with the an M$ ->competitor and wonderful the lastest M$ product is. -> ->I could be wrong, this might just be some guy talking about something ->he's just doing. I for one am paranoid enough to not trust M$. How ->knows? The NTFS bootloader may very well log the OS version installed ->and then send it home to Redmond - lord knows M$-XP phones home alot. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

* David M (dmcglone@edificationweb.com) [020131 12:24]: ->On Thursday 31 January 2002 12:57 pm, you wrote: ->> Which is why if WinANYTHING is in the subject of the mail or if the ->> mail has anything to do with Windows on this list. I automatically ->> delete it. I firmly believe that this is a Linux list...and I shall -> -> -><snip> help no one with Windows issues..even dual booting.</snip> -> ->I think you should make an exception to this rule. Think about it, your ->only helping Windows. -> ->I am not asking for a flame or anything of any kind, I just want you to ->realize if people cannot get dual boot running, then how do you convince ->them to use linux and still give them the comfort of mind knowing they ->still have Windows to fall back on in case things go bad? -> ->Ben, Think about it. I have thought about it. And I'm not saying anyone else has to do or have the attitude that I do. All I was saying is that *I* won't help anyone with Windows. To me it's like giving a heroin addict another shot because it makes them feel ok..but it doesn't help them in the slightest bit. I don't have time for it either. I will help a person get Linux running and to find apps that will do what they need to do but I won't help them with Microsoft products. I will add this. Giving someone the comfort to have Windows to fall back on in my opinion doesn't give them any reason to buckle down and learn Linux or anything else. It gives them the out to say well " this crap doesn't work, so screw it. " When it is in fact them who hasn't grasped how it works. I helped a buddy of mine on 4 seperate occasions redo his dual booted machine because the 1st three times he got pissed off and formatted everything off his machine and just put Windows back on..after the last time which was #4 I told him .. no more. I won't waste my time with this..if you want to run Windows..do it, but don't bother me with this and don't bitch at me when Windows blows up and you loose data. Which is what caused him to look at Linux in the first place because I had never experienced his level of data loss with Linux. I have no sympathy for Windows users laziness and willingness to eat what they are fed. This is just my attitude after years and years of this stuff. :) Cheers! and have a good day. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

I apologize for the delay in adding to this off-topic thread. I fully understand Ben's logic. I've done that multiple times on my Macs. On my windows machine, I have removable hd's and it's not a problem. I also have the luxury of having multiple computers with which to work with and multiple os's on them. The issue I've run into with people and Linux (I'm just learning the basics of win and linux) is that they are unable for whatever reason, to get hardware, software, etc to work for them on there machines. The dual boot performs the function of a security blanket. (no helping there situation) As for my situation, Sometimes I have to get some work done without the learning curve. I fully understand that Linux is the only realistic choice for the long run, but sometimes I need to be able to get it done now! Without waiting for replies from a help group, etc. Then there's the issue of games etc, and that we are living in a win desktop world. I need my puters to be able to interface with win and mac. It probably would be easier to use only Linux. In my case, that would mean only half of my devices would work and I would lose the use of a lot of very expensive hardware. That does not mean that I don't think Linux is the most awesome operating system I've ever used. It does provide for many stimulating evenings when I'm not pressed for deadlines etc, and as my understanding increases so does my usage. I understand Ben not wanting to continuously help people with the same problem, but it's part of the learning curve. His patience and dedicated input on this list has been a blessing and I always look forward to his and a few other's replies to this list. Maybe, one day, I can be as knowledgeable as them. Until then, I'll always have a backup puter running Mac OS X/9.x or win 2000. Thanks for the patience, William Ps. More personal identifying information can be relayed upon personal request.